What are the main doctrinal differences between Jehovah's Witnesses and mainstream Christianity?

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Randy Kluth

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Where is the Scripture supporting the Holy Spirit as God?

I’ve found none.

As a Christian, Paul said, although “there are many gods and many lords, there is actually to us, one God, the Father…and one Lord, Jesus Christ.”

It’s as simple as that; trying to add others as God, just creates confusion.
And breaking the 1st of the 10 commandments.
Every time you read "the Spirit of God," you are reading that the Spirit is God. Jesus said God is spirit. God's Spirit moved over the face of the deep in the beginning. Jesus said the "comforter" will come to replace his presence with us, to remind us of his teachings. That is the Holy Spirit. That is God's means of helping us by means of His own presence.
 

David in NJ

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You do not understand that phrase.

The Father's nature is His own, underived (Jhn. 17:3).

The Son's nature is from the Father's nature (Jhn. 1:14,18, 3:16,18; Heb. 1:3, 11:17; 1 Jhn. 4:9)

The nature of the Holy spirit is not mentioned in scripture. It is left a mystery. To speak on that which is not revealed to us is a mistake, and silence is rather golden.​
Deu_29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.​

Now for phrases “only true God” and “only begotten”: “Mono” & “Gene”

Mono is simply “one”, “only”. Mono is used in conjunction or connection, gene. Gene refers to race or nature (that which is the content of essence), that which comes about or exists through/from another. It's used this way even coming down to our English:​
“gene (n.) 1911, from German Gen, coined 1905 by Danish scientist Wilhelm Ludvig Johannsen (1857-1927), from Greek genea “generation, race” (from PIE root *gene- “give birth, beget”). De Vries had earlier called them pangenes. Gene pool is attested from 1946.” - gene | Etymology of gene by etymonline

That is why the Father is called: monon alethinon theon, ton theon

And because the Son is in the express image of the Father, is called: monogene, logos en o theos

The Father's nature is His own, underived (“true”*), but the Son, because He is the Son has that same nature because of the Father.​

It means underived.

So monogene in connection with monon alethinon theon means that the nature of the Son is of the Father and he is the only Son of the Father with that nature of the Father. Created Angels and humans are sons, but not of that same nature as the Father and Son are.

In other words:​
The Father is “The only true (underived in nature) God”​
The Son is "The only begotten" (derives His nature from the Father because He is the Son), "God"​

Keep in mind, “only begotten” has nothing to do with time, or creation, or coming into existence in these contexts, but and only deals with the existing nature of the Son in relation to the Father. The words are not the same as ‘to generate’, ‘give birth, ‘γεγεννηται’, G1080.

The Father is hierarchially higher than the Son:​
Gen_41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.​
Very Good

Based upon your given description of actuality between the FATHER and the Only Begotten SON,
In you estimation, what then do jw's such as @theJW , @Wrangler @Aunty Jane are NOT understanding when Jesus prayed:

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
 
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Based upon your given description of actuality between the FATHER and the Only Begotten SON,
In you estimation, what then do jw's such as @theJW , @Wrangler @Aunty Jane are NOT understanding when Jesus prayed:

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
OH PLEASE! Explain it to us!!!!!
 

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It's easier to repeat the mantra's one is indoctrinated with.
War is Peace​
Freedom is Slavery​
Big Brother Loves You​
Jesus is not only the son of God​
jw mantra(s) of unbelief:
JESUS is not my LORD
The Word is not God
The Word was created
The Holy Spirit is not Elohim
The Father Son Holy Spirit are not Elohim
i do not believe
i will not receive
i only bow to jehovah and reject the Only Savior whose Blood washes away sin
repeat as necessary to avoid the Way, the Truth and the Life
 
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Perhaps you may consider this argument from scripture, which is self-contained, sealed, and cannot be broken:

The Apostle Paul, likewise, while writing the NT book of Hebrews under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Pet. 1:21, 3:16 KJB), cites quite a bit of the OT texts (Heb. 1:7 (Psa. 104:4); Heb. 1:8-9 (Psa. 45:6-7); Heb. 1:10-12 (Psa. 102:12,25-27) KJB, &c), in specific application, to demonstrate that the Son of the Father is both, [1] the highest (uncreated, eternal, infinite) messenger of the Father (Heb. 1:1-3,9 KJB, “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son”), being a ‘fellow’ (Heb. 1:9 KJB) messenger (an office, a position) of the other (created, finite) messengers (Heb. 1:6,7,14 KJB; like Gabriel, ‘Herald’, &c), and [2] “God”, “Lord” (LORD; JEHOVAH, the Son; 1 Cor. 12:3; Php. 2:11 KJB). Notice how Paul continues this same thought, found in Hebrews 1 (Heb. 1:12 KJB, “thou art the same”), in some of the final statements of Hebrews 13 (Heb. 13:8 KJB, “Jesus Christ the same”) KJB:

Hebrews 1:8 KJB - But unto the Son he (the Father) saith, Thy throne, O God (the Son), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.​
Psalms 45:6 KJB - Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.​
Psalms 45:7 HOT - כסאך אלהים עולם ועד שׁבט מישׁר שׁבט מלכותך׃​
Psalms 44:7 Hexapla - ὁ θρόνος σου, ὁ θεός, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος, ῥάβδος εὐθύτητος ἡ ῥάβδος τῆς βασιλείας σου.​
Hebrews 1:9 KJB - Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (the Son), even thy God (the Father), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.​
Psalms 45:7 KJB - Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.​
Psalms 45:8 HOT - אהבת צדק ותשׂנא רשׁע על־כן משׁחך אלהים אלהיך שׁמן שׂשׂון מחבריך׃​
Psalms 44:8 Hexapla - ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε ὁ θεὸς ὁ θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.​
Hebrews 1:10 KJB - And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:​
Psalms 102:12 KJB - But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.​
Psalms 102:13 HOT - ואתה יהוה לעולם תשׁב וזכרך לדר ודר׃​
Psalms 101:13 Hexapla - σὺ δέ, κύριε, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα μένεις, καὶ τὸ μνημόσυνόν σου εἰς γενεὰν καὶ γενεάν.​
Psalms 102:26 HOT - לפנים הארץ יסדת ומעשׂה ידיך שׁמים׃​
Psalms 101:26 Hexapla - κατ᾿ ἀρχὰς σύ, κύριε, τὴν γῆν ἐθεμελίωσας, καὶ ἔργα τῶν χειρῶν σού εἰσιν οἱ οὐρανοί·​
Hebrews 1:11 KJB - They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;​
Psalms 102:26 KJB - They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:​
Psalms 102:27 HOT - המה יאבדו ואתה תעמד וכלם כבגד יבלו כלבושׁ תחליפם ויחלפו׃​
Psalms 101:27 Hexapla - αὐτοὶ ἀπολοῦνται, σὺ δὲ διαμενεῖς, καὶ πάντες ὡς ἱμάτιον παλαιωθήσονται, (Hebrews 1:12 KJB begins here) καὶ ὡσεὶ περιβόλαιον ἀλλάξεις αὐτούς, καὶ ἀλλαγήσονται·​
Hebrews 1:12 KJB - And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.​
Psalms 102:27 KJB - But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.​
Psalms 102:28 HOT - ואתה־הוא ושׁנותיך לא יתמו׃​
Psalms 101:28 Hexapla - σὺ δὲ ὁ αὐτὸς εἶ, καὶ τὰ ἔτη σου οὐκ ἐκλείψουσιν.​
Hebrews 13:4 KJB - Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.​
John 5:22 KJB - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:​
John 5:27 KJB - And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.​
Hebrews 13:5 KJB - Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.​
See Gen. 26:24, 28:15, 31:3, 46:4; Exo. 3:12; Deu. 31:6; Jos. 1:5; 1 Kin. 8:57; 1 Chr. 28:20; Psa. 46:7,11; Isa. 7:14, 8:8,10; Mat. 1:23, 28:20; Jhn. 13:33, 14:18; Act. 18:10 KJB.​
Hebrews 13:6 KJB - So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.​
Psalms 30:10 KJB - Hear, O LORD, and have mercy upon me: LORD, be thou my helper.​
Psalms 54:4 KJB - Behold, God is mine helper: the Lord is with them that uphold my soul.​
Matthew 15:25 KJB - Then came she and worshipped him (Jesus), saying, Lord, help me.​
Hebrews 13:7 KJB - Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.​
Hebrews 13:8 KJB - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.​
Malachi 3:6 KJB - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.​
Hebrews 1:12 KJB - And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou (LORD; JEHOVAH, the Son) art the same, and thy years shall not fail.​
Refers back to Psalms 102; Malachi 3:6.​
Quoted from my book on Michael the Archangel, here - Michael The Archangel Who Is Like Unto God The Highest Messenger (BOOK) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
 
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trinity is a banned subject. I would be worried about discussing it. if @Angelina find out
We are not discussing 'trinity'

But we are discussing the Hebrew word for God in the scriptures which is "Elohim" and is PLURAL.
Along that Scriptural REALITY we discuss TRI-UNITY of the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

Exodus ch3
And Elohim said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” 15Moreover Elohim said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The Lord Elohim of your fathers,
the Elohenu of Abraham,
the Elohenu of Isaac,
the Elohenu of Jacob,
has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

Matthew 3:16
Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”

15But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.

16When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him,
and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.
17And suddenly a Voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
 
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i first want to hear from @ReChoired
It means they (WTS) do not have eternal life.

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.​

Read that very carefully, and realize what the word "Lord" there actually means. It does not mean king or ruler. It is a reference to the OT. Since the WTS does not acknowledge the Holy Ghost as a Person/being they cannot acknowledge that text, neither what it states to affirm.
 

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Seriously, we are not allowed to mention the Trinity on this Forum? Maybe it's time I changed Forums??
I totally agree with the decision. You need to understand that JWs (and others) LOVE trinity debates. Why? They are endless and direct away from all of their other false teachings. AND there are many! -- NOTICE, pretty much every topic they will turn into a trinity debate. It's a smoke screen. It's their BAIT. People fall for it every time, including MANY who dont even undersatnd what they believe themselves!
If you want a JW to come to Christ- you do not start with the trinity! There is not an XJW alive that would disagree with me.
No one comes to Christ because someone debated the trinity doctrine.
It is about the HEART. They deny Christ' death paid for their sins. They HATE what you believe. They call it satanic.
If you really understood what Jws actually believe (non-trin related) you would not be falling for the endless debates. You would be exposing them in a 123 knockout. Instead you validate them by allowing them to have such a presence on here. They are drinking it in and drooling every time you post. Know that much. You can either take it from me- or keep posting for no one's benefit while swallowing the bait of the antichrists.
There are 2 types of people- the close minded know- it- alls and the ones willing to learn from others. -

if you dont believe me- ask an xjw. or got to forums with designated trinity boards- see that is where you find the jws. They are scarce to none on the actual JW designated boards. Trin & hellfire- JW baits. endless----
 
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Seriously, we are not allowed to mention the Trinity on this Forum? Maybe it's time I changed Forums??
they considered it a heated topic that never comes to anything good. so they would rather it not be discussed..

I agree, its sad that christians can get that nasty to other christian that they need to ban a topic.
 
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they considered it a heated topic that never comes to anything good. so they would rather it not be discussed..

I agree, its sad that christians can get that nasty to other christian that they need to ban a topic.
I suppose I'll have to look up the rules. I've discussed the Trinity lots of times and have never been called out on it. I don't honestly understand how a Christian forum can ban mention of something so obviously part of our orthodox creeds? Perhaps they are banning argument *against it?* I'll have to research to know, I suppose?
 
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