What about Satan?

[Magdala]

Abraham and Moses were also obedient to God's will and they were the ones who "helped" usher in the Messiah. Isaac was the son of the seed of Jesus so, I suppose he too was a co-redeemer

A "co-redeemer" refers to anyone who collaborates or participates with Christ in the work of redemption. The word “co,” or the prefix “co-” in English can imply equality, and so that’s why it sounds that way. The prefix “co-” comes from the Latin preposition cum, and cum does not necessarily mean “equal.” It can just mean “with,” and that’s the sense that’s in play when the Blessed Virgin Mary is under discussion with respect to the Redeemer. So, She’s not equal to Jesus, but She is a woman Who cooperates with the Redeemer. She cooperates with God’s plan and Her son’s role in it.

So, for example, when the angel Gabriel appears to Her, She agrees to become the Mother of the Messiah, the Redeemer, and thus—you know, She’s even told “He will save his people from their sins”—and so She willingly cooperates with the Redeemer, and in that sense she could be described as someone Who works with the Redeemer in a unique way, by being his Mother, and you could legitimately use the title for Her in that sense. She also underwent suffering in a different way, as Simeon foretold.

You could also use it for other other people in other senses. All Christians who are doing their job as Christians are cooperating with the Redeemer in one way or another by living a Christian life and setting an example for other people and evangelizing them and telling them about Jesus and doing corporal and spiritual works of mercy. Also, by offering up our own sufferings to God for others, no matter how great, will always be little compared to Jesus's, can be done so for others as well, because all suffering can be redemptive.

All of those things, we cooperate with the Redeemer and his plan. So there’s a sense in which all of us are co-redeemers in this little bitty way.

And so if that’s all you mean, is: “works with the Redeemer in some way,” well then you can use this language regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary, and even with other people.

Over 900,000 Christians Martyred for Their Faith in Last 10 Years: Report

Over 900,000 Christians Martyred for Their Faith in Last 10 Years: Report

Over 900,000 Christians have been martyred in the last 10 years, a Christian research firm affiliated with Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Massachusetts estimates

www.christianpost.com

Are these not counted as CO-"workers" too?

Why would they not be?? They also were our fellow neighbors, blessed martyrs of God who died for Him. Pray for their souls with me.

 

[Ritajanice]

Thank you for asking what I believe rather than, like others have, assume it and then continue to misrepresent me after I objected to the assumption made.

The word “co,” or the prefix “co-” in English can imply equality, and so that’s why it sounds that way. The prefix “co-” comes from the Latin preposition cum, and cum does not necessarily mean “equal.” It can just mean “with,” and that’s the sense that’s in play when the Blessed Virgin Mary is under discussion with respect to the Redeemer. So She’s not equal to Jesus, but She is a woman who cooperates with the Redeemer. She cooperates with God’s plan and Her son’s role in it.

So She, for example, when the angel Gabriel appears to Her, She agrees to become the Mother of the Messiah, the Redeemer, and thus—you know, She’s even told “He will save his people from their sins”—and so She willingly cooperates with the Redeemer, and in that sense she could be described as someone who works with the Redeemer in a unique way, by being his Mother, and you could legitimately use the title for Her in that sense. She also underwent suffering in a different way, as Simeon foretold.

You could also use it for other other people in other senses. All Christians who are doing their job as Christians are cooperating with the Redeemer in one way or another by living a Christian life and setting an example for other people and evangelizing them and telling them about Jesus and doing corporal and spiritual works of mercy. Also, by offering up our own sufferings to God for others, no matter how great, will always be little compared to Jesus's, can be done so for others as well, because all suffering can be redemptive.

All of those things, we cooperate with the Redeemer and his plan. So there’s a sense in which all of us are co-redeemers in this little bitty way.

And so if that’s all you mean, is: “works with the Redeemer in some way,” well then you can use this language regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary, and even with other people.



Yes and those who do have reasons for saying that.

Ok, thanks for explaining....you believe what you believe and for reasons that belong to you...

Don’t you believe that Mary had other children and was intimate with Joseph, after the birth of Jesus?

If you don’t believe that, can you post scripture to support that Mary was forever virgin...thank you.

 

[Magdala]

Don’t you believe that Mary had other children and was intimate with Joseph, after the birth of Jesus?

If you don’t believe that, can you post scripture to support that Mary was forever virgin...thank you.

In this post, I will show the teaching that Jesus's four brothers (Matt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3) were His half-siblings is false.

Firstly, only Jesus is called the son of Joseph and Mary. (Matt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3)

Secondly, the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός'' (sing. adelphos, brother;pl. ἀδελφοί/adelphoi, brothers) has the following definitions: "fellow-countryman," "disciple/follower," "one of the same faith," and "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative," e.g., sibling, cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, etc. In the plural, it regularly refers to men and women.

In Matt. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3, Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) are called Jesus's “ἀδελφοί” (adelphoi, brothers). The context shows that its applicable definition is "kinsman, or relative." In Gal. 1:19, Paul refers to James of the twelve apostles, and calls him Jesus's "ἀδελφός" (adelphos, brother), and the context shows that its applicable definition is "kinsman, or relative" as well. Therefore, we can deduce that the James in Matt. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3, and James in Gal. 1:19, were the same person. Of the two James of the twelve apostles, only James of Alphaeus, and at least one brother of his, apostle Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus, corresponds with Matt. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3. (Matt. 10:3, Mk. 3:18;15:40, Lk. 6:15-16, Ac. 1:13)

Now, compare the above with the scriptural and early Church Father writings below:

Two scenes surrounding the same event:
I. "When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome (the mother of the sons of Zebedee), bought spices, that they might come and anoint him." (Mk. 16:1)

II. Now they were Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary the mother of James. The other women with them told these things to the apostles." (Lk. 24:10)

Three accounts of the same scene:
I. "Mary Magdalene, Mary (Mary of Clopas/Cleophas) the mother of James (the Less) and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee [Salome]" (Matt. 27:56)

II. "Mary Magdalene, Mary (Mary of Clopas/Cleophas) the mother of James the Less and Joseph, and Salome (the mother of the sons of Zebedee)" (Mk. 15:40)

III. "His Mother (Mary of Joseph), His Mother's sister Mary, the wife of Clopas/Cleophas (the mother of James the Less and Joseph), and Mary Magdalene" (Jn. 19:25)


I. "Mary the wife of Cleophas or Alphaeus [Clopas], who was the mother of James the bishop and apostle, and of Simon and Thaddeus (Jude/Judas), and of one Joseph." (Papias of Hierapolis [c. 60–130 AD], Fragments of Papias, Frag. 10, see Jn. 19:25)

II. "[...] James, who is called the brother of the Lord [...] as appears to me, the son of Mary sister of the mother of our Lord [...] after ordained by the apostles bishop of Jerusalem, wrote a single epistle, which is reckoned among the seven Catholic epistles" (see Jud. 1:1) and "[...] Mary who is described as the mother of James the Less was the wife of Alphaeus and sister of Mary the Lord's mother" (Jerome of Stridon [c. 347–420 CE], De Viris Illustribus, De Perpetua Uirginitate Beatae Mariae, see Jn. 19:25)

III. Eusebius of Caesarea [c. 260–340 AD] relates the following in his Historia Ecclesiastica:

“James, the brother of the Lord, was "[...] the author of the first of the so-called catholic epistles" and that while it is disputed, "as is the case likewise with the epistle that bears the name of Jude, which is also one of the seven so-called catholic epistles," it is known they have been "[...] read publicly in very many churches." (Bk. I, ch. 23, see Jud. 1:1)

"James […] surnamed the Just [...] bishop of the church of Jerusalem. This James was called the brother of the Lord" and "Paul also makes mention of the same James the Just, where he writes, 'Other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.'" (Bk. II, ch. 1)

"[...] those of the apostles and disciples of the Lord [...] with those that were related to the Lord according to the flesh ... pronounced Symeon [Simon], the son of Clopas [...] to be worthy of the episcopal throne of that parish. He was a cousin, as they say, of the Saviour. For Hegesippus records that Clopas was a brother of Joseph." (Bk. III, ch. 11)

"Josephus, at least, has not hesitated to testify this in his writings, where he says, 'These things happened to the Jews to avenge James the Just, who was a brother of Jesus, that is called the Christ.'" (Bk. II, ch. 23)

"[...] the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" (Flavius Josephus [c. 37-100 CE], Antiquitates Iudaicae, Bk. XX, ch. 9)

"[...] James the Just bishop of Jerusalem" and "[...] but there were two Jameses: one called the Just [...] thrown from the pinnacle of the temple [...] and beaten to death with a club by a fuller, and another who was beheaded." (Bk. II, ch. 1) (Clement of Alexandria [c. 150–215 AD], Hypotyposes, Bk. VII, see Ac. 12:1-2)

"[...] James the brother of the Lord, succeeded to the government of the Church [...] called the Just [...]" (Bk. II, ch. 23) and "after James the Just had suffered martyrdom [...] Symeon [Simon], the son of the Lord's uncle, Clopas, was appointed the next bishop [...] because he was a cousin of the Lord." (Bk. III, ch. 22) (Hegesippus [c. 110-180 AD], Hypomnemata)

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Summary
The scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, collectively prove the following:
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• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) in Matt. 13:55 and Mk.6:3 were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister [in-law] of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins​

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• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus were the same people as the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve​

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• Jesus's cousin and apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve was the same person as "James the Less", "James the brother of the Lord", "James the Just", "James the first bishop of Jerusalem", and the author of the Epistle of James​

Then, there's the writings of Maria Valtorta, a true spokesperson of God, and through her Jesus reaffirmed the above to be true. I highly recommend reading A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work. You can read her writings, or God's Work, below for free:​

1. The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V (a Work on the Life of Christ), or you can read all five volumes on the website calameo: here.​
2. The Notebooks: 1943, or you can read it here too.​
3. The Notebooks: 1944​
4. The End Times (This is thematic book, it comprises of dictations from Jesus on the end times taken from The Notebooks)​

I have yet to find The Little Notebooks, Lessons on the Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans, and The Book of Azariah for free online, but I own them if you have any questions about them.

 

[Ritajanice]

Ok, that will take a while to fully read and research, thanks for posting...looks a very interesting read.