What about Satan?

[Ritajanice]

Mary was a virgin ..as God couldn’t have used her womb to grow Jesus in..if she wasn’t.

She certainly imo wasn’t without sin....

 

[Nancy]

Look how many denominations sprouted off of the Catholic Church and they all claim "plain meaning". They can't all be right. So, how did you rule out the possibility that your interpretation of certain scriptural verses are wrong?

Has common sense flown the coop??

"The plain reading and interpretation of scripture involve understanding the text in its original context and using common sense to determine its meaning.24

• Plain Reading: The Bible is a collection of sixty-six books written by nearly forty human authors. The authors originally wrote in Hebrew and Koine Greek. The Bible is written in propositional terms and understood and accepted by those whom the Holy Spirit illumines.1
• Golden Rule of Interpretation: When the plain sense of scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense, lest it result in nonsense.2
• Three Key Principles of Biblical Interpretation: First, Scripture interprets Scripture. Second, context interprets Scripture. Third, the Holy Spirit has prompted the Bible’s writers to place indicators in the text to guide interpretation.3
• Literal Interpretation: Each word is given the same exact basic meaning it would have in normal, ordinary, customary usage, whether employed in writing, speaking, or thinking.4"

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[Ritajanice]

That's why I started this thread to have people use their God-given reason and I'm asking people: "Why would Satan speak about the Blessed Virgin Mary in such ways, when he hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world? Wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She has, and so on, and get people to believe that, and lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Blessed Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants, don't you think?"

Love it Brother...you are helping me to open up my mind...thank you.

 

[Magdala]

Has common sense flown the coop??

I'm just asking my fellow Christians to use their God-given reason.

Catholics don't worship the Blessed Virgin Mary as a god, or above God. Catholics say that they worship the one true God. Catholics acknowledge Jesus as the only Mediator between the Father and man for reasons given earlier.

And, for example, we call the Blessed Virgin Mary "Co-Redemptrix" because, for one reason out of many, without Her bringing Jesus into the world so that He can redeem, how would we have been redeemed?? It doesn't mean She did the act of redeeming, but She helped to make it happen. So, is it really a "heretical" and "satanical" title to give Her?? Some say so, but someone had to say it first though, and who would that have been? Why not Satan? He hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world to redeem mankind and defeat him? Therefore, could it not be that what the Catholic Church says about the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Truth, and Satan is the the cause of all the misrepresentation of Her? Could it not be that he wants people to misunderstand what the Catholic Church says about Her? Because he knows who Mary is, what She did, does, and the powerful influence She has because of Her virtues, and how She draws people to Her Son and thus to God. And he doesn't want that.

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm just asking my fellow Christians to use their God-given reason.

Catholics don't worship the Blessed Virgin Mary as a god, or above God. Catholics worship the one true God. Catholics acknowledge Jesus as the only Mediator between the Father and man for reasons given earlier.

And, for example, we call the Blessed Virgin Mary "Co-Redemptrix" because, for one reason out of many, without Her bringing Jesus into the world so that He can redeem, how would we have been redeemed?? It doesn't mean She did the act of redeeming, but She helped to make it happen. So, is it really a "heretical" and "satanical" title to give Her?? Some say so, but someone had to say it first though, and who would that have been? Why not Satan? He hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world? Therefore, could it not be that what the Catholic Church says about the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Truth, and Satan is the the cause of all the misrepresentation of Her?

Ritajanice said:
Has common sense flown the coop??

I never said that Brother...a staff member said it.

 

[Rockerduck]

God preserves His Word so to remain accurate. You can see in Jeremiah, God commanded a new scroll to be made, to keep the record straight. What God says is accurate. The dead sea scrolls proved the accuracy.

If God wanted us the worship Mary as a "Co-Redemptrix" He would have said so, or for Mary to be a mediator, God would have said so. Read what the KJV says, then read your translation. There are errors in the translations. Talk to @BibleHighlighter about it.

Psalms 12:6 -
The words of the Lord are pure words,
Like silver tried in a furnace of earth,
Purified seven times.

Matthew 5:18 - For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Jeremiah 36:1 - Now it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, that this word came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: 2 “Take a scroll of a book and write on it all the words that I have spoken to you against Israel, against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spoke to you, from the days of Josiah even to this day.

Jeremiah 36:27-28- Now after the king had burned the scroll with the words which Baruch had written at the instruction of Jeremiah, the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah,“Take yet another scroll, and write on it all the former words that were in the first scroll which Jehoiakim the king of Judah has burned

 

[Ritajanice]

Has common sense flown the coop??

This person said it.,not me.

 

[Magdala]

I never said that Brother...a staff member said it.

I didnt mean to tag you lol

 

[Ritajanice]

I didnt mean to tag you lol

Glad we got that straight..lol.​

 

[Magdala]

If God wanted us the worship Mary as a "Co-Redemptrix" He would have said so

It doesn't need to be said! It's SHOWN that She is by, for example, the very act of bringing the Redeemer into the world to redeem.

or for Mary to be a mediator, God would have said so.

Catholics say Jesus is the Mediator for reasons given in a prior post! But you keep misrepesenting us. Do you not see the spiritual blindness Satan is causing? You keep proving my point.

 

[Ritajanice]

It doesn't need to be said! It's SHOWN that She is by, for example, the very act of bringing the Redeemer into the world to redeem.

That’s true...she carried him in her womb...

 

[Ritajanice]

Catholics say Jesus is the Mediator for reasons given in a prior post! But you keep misrepesenting us. Do you not see the spiritual blindness Satan is causing? You keep proving my point.

If I’m understanding this correctly,Brother..you are saying that Mary brought the redeemer into the world..by giving birth to him...pretty simple to understand imo.

She gave birth to our redeemer...Praise God.

 

[Behold]

There's a lot that isn't stated in Scripture but said elsewhere.

Notice that you dont care if what the 'cult of mary" says or teaches, is not found in the Scriptures. @Magdala .

See, you are taught that "our church fathers" are "God's Authority", and our "church history" is the Truth, and "if very little of it, or none of it, is found in the NT, then that's not a problem as we only see the bible as secondary... something the "cult of Mary" does not accept as our Final Authority".

The only cult that can equal the Catholics rejection of NT Truth is : Calvinism.

So, let me show you how that works.

The NT defines the "cult of Mary" as .. "the Traditions OF MEN, have made the word of God, of no effect".

And what cult has more "Traditions of Men" then the "cult of Mary"?

A.) None.

Also, how to you feel about the fact that the current Pope has decided to let Homosexuals into the Priesthood'??

Imagine how exciting its going to be for very young Alter Boys in about 10 yrs, when thousands of 'New" Priests found worldwide with "Homosexual urges" are helping them out....

What is that? Thats a Devil owned and operated = religious factory that is creating Homosexuals.

Do you think that "Pope's decision" is backed up by the "Scripturess'?

So welcome to more of the demonic "man made traditions" of the "cult of Mary". @Magdala

 

[Magdala]

If I’m understanding this correctly,Brother..you are saying that Mary brought the redeemer into the world..by giving birth to him...pretty simple to understand imo.

She gave birth to our redeemer...Praise God.

And that is one of the reasons that make her a CO-redeemer. Why do we call fellow employees CO-workers? Because we work WITH them to accomplish a task. Mary worked with Her Son to bring help accomplish the redemption to mankind.

 

[Behold]

And that is one of the reasons that make her a CO-redeemer.

Mary had to be forgiven ALL her sin, just like you.

The only way that Mary could be SINLESS, is if she was created, not by a human but by GOD.
See, if your father is human, then He is from Adam, and so that makes him "adamic", and you also, @Magdala .

So, for Mary to be "sinless", she would have to be born from SINLESS GOD, exactly like Jesus, or she's from a human father and mother and they are from Adam's linage, and that make them born in sin, = as was Mary their Child.

Once again, we see a nutbar teaching......created by MEN.......complete religious fantasy.....and its not found in any bible.

 

[Magdala]

Notice that you dont care if what the 'cult of mary" says or teaches, is not found in the Scriptures.

Do you willfully ignore that there's a lot of truths not explicitely stated in Scripture and is found elsewhere?

And you didnt answer my question: "And, wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She has had and has, and so on, and get people to believe that, and lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Blessed Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants, don't you think?" Do you or not?

 

[Ritajanice]

And that is one of the reasons that make her a CO-redeemer. Why do we call fellow employees CO-workers? Because we work WITH them to accomplish a task. Mary worked with Her Son to bring help accomplish the redemption to mankind.

That’s interesting to know...thank you....

 

[Magdala]

Mary had to be forgive her sin, just like you.

The only way that Mary could be SINLESS, is if she was created, not by a human.
See, if your father is human, then He is from Adam, and so that makes him "adamic", and you also, @Magdala .

So, for Mary to be "sinless", she would have to be born from SINLESS GOD, exactly like Jesus, or she's from a human father and mother and they are from Adam's linage, and that make them born in sin, = as was Mary their Child.

Once again, we see a nutbar teaching......created by MEN............and its not found in any bible.

We were talking about Her title "co-redeemer" and then you changed the subject when I said the following: "And that is one of the reasons that make her a CO-redeemer. Why do we call fellow employees CO-workers? Because we work WITH them to accomplish a task. Mary worked with Her Son to bring help accomplish the redemption to mankind." Can you reasonably say that isn't so? Answer that before we move on to why She was without sin.

 

[Behold]

Do you willfully ignore that there's a lot of truths not explicitely stated in Scripture and is found elsewhere?

The word of God, is the Final Truth, regarding "Christianity".......It was here before Peter, and it'll be here after this latest "gay " loving Pope is no longer breathing.

See,.... the BIBLE and not man made "Cult of Mary" theology, is how God "dictates" His Truth to His CHRISTians, first and foremost.
So, when you find a cult that presumes that its "historical membership" and its particular theology is and has the final say regarding final truth and authority, then you've discovered a demonic religious system that esteems itself ABOVE the word of God.

= Welcome to the "cult of Mary". and Welcome to Calvinism.. and JW, and Mormonism.

Some of the devil's finest creations, along with ISLAM.

 

[Behold]

We were talking about Her title "Co-redeemer" and then you changed the subject when I said the following: