Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

[Taken]

There is another factor to consider for those who may think the female reproductive system did not pertain to our Lord.

Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”

No one is denying A VIRGIN was CONCEIVED…(Pregnant)…

The denial is Gods Seed fertilized Marys’ ovum (egg)…and reproduced some human/spirit offspring…and “IF” that were so…the offspring according to Scripture….SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GIANT….Ya think Jesus was of GIANT STATURE?

 

[RedFan]

You cared enough to initiate a discussion with me about the apostle James in Gal. 1:19, and said that Paul didn't indicates that he's one of the Twelve. In post #4, I gave my argument for why he did, supported by the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, which prove that James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve.

And, not only that. The following is all that they collectively prove:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

Therefore, no, it's not "James in Gal. 1:19 may well have been one of the Twelve", but rather he was one of the Twelve.

Q.E.D. Oh, that "winning" feeling!

Among experts, the question of the identity of these two figures with the same name, James son of Alphaeus and James "the brother of the Lord", is disputed.

 

[Lambano]

Sigh. All this spilled ink and wasted server storage space because somebody's systematic theology requires our brothers and sisters in Christ to perform an unnatural act on Matthew 1:25.

I hope Joseph punches somebody in the nose for implying that Mary was a cold, unloving wife to him.

 

[LuxMundy]

Among experts, the question of the identity of these two figures with the same name, James son of Alphaeus and James "the brother of the Lord", is disputed.

So? lol. What in this world isn't disputed by someone? For example, it's proven the Earth is round, yet there are people who still dispute it, and claim to have proven it's flat. That's why I say, despite the proof of something, what someone would rather believe will always be stronger.

You cared enough to initiate a discussion with me about the apostle James in Gal. 1:19, and said that Paul didn't indicate that he's one of the Twelve. In post #4, I gave my argument for why he did, supported by the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, which prove that James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve.

And, not only that. The following is all that they collectively prove:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

Therefore, no, it's not "James in Gal. 1:19 may well have been one of the Twelve", but rather he was one of the Twelve. If you have something that you believe disputes post #4, then I trust you will present it.

 

[Biblepaige]

No one is denying A VIRGIN was CONCEIVED…(Pregnant)…

Odd. You did

The denial is Gods Seed fertilized Marys’ ovum (egg)…and reproduced some human/spirit offspring…and “IF” that were so…the offspring according to Scripture….SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GIANT….Ya think Jesus was of GIANT STATURE?

You're ranting. There is no call for that.
Nothing of the sort was said.

I think you've lost your way in this discussion . In the name of peace of God I'm going to stop this exchange.

God Bless.

 

[Biblepaige]

You should learn the difference between Pride and Thankfulness.

I know the difference. Which is why I identified your behavior as I did

God delights in a righteous man…. Pss 33::5



No kidding…as I have also said.
However men CAN and DO deny God!

Humans Procreate Humans from their own SEED fertilizing a Humans EGG, and the Human FEMALE nurtures the zygote, embryo, fetus, baby, through it’s developing process VIA the Females BLOOD, and then Delivers forth a Human KIND of being.

No such thing occurred regarding Jesus….as you falsely teach.

As I stated earlier. You're ranting and have lost your way in this thread.
The falsehood here is your responsibility.

 

[RedFan]

So? lol. What in this world isn't disputed by someone? For example, it's proven the Earth is round, yet there are people who still dispute it, and claim to have proven it's flat.

I was just quoting Pope Benedict when I said "Among experts, the question of the identity of these two figures with the same name, James son of Alphaeus and James "the brother of the Lord", is disputed." Take it up with him. Laugh out loud in his face.

General Audience, 28 June 2006: James, the Lesser | BENEDICT XVI

General Audience, 28 June 2006: James, the Lesser

www.vatican.va

 

[Taken]

Odd. You did

If that be true quote ME saying Mary’s was NOT (conceived) Pregnant.

You're ranting.

No.

There is no call for that.

THAT…which I SAID….is

“The denial is Gods Seed fertilized Marys’ ovum (egg)…and reproduced some human/spirit offspring…”

IS “MY” denial…which of course…I can say that.

and “IF” that were so…the offspring according to Scripture….SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GIANT….

And THAT ^ IS the Biblical Result for angel spirits that mated with human females.

“Ya think Jesus was of GIANT STATURE?”

And THAT ^ was a question to you regarding Jesus’ stature.

Nothing of the sort was said.

Yes it was, IN MY TEXT.

I think you've lost your way in this discussion . In the name of peace of God I'm going to stop this exchange.

I didn’t speak FOR you. I spoke for myself and ASKED you a question…

If you think Jesus was a HUMAN…you should KNOW HOW …. Why can you not SAY HOW?

 

[Taken]

I know the difference. Which is why I identified your behavior as I did

As I stated earlier. You're ranting and have lost your way in this thread.
The falsehood here is your responsibility.

I have zero issue with the TRUTH…

I notice your accusations and dancing around in circles…

Do you believe God fertilized Marys “ovum’ egg?

 

[LuxMundy]

I was just quoting Pope Benedict when I said "Among experts, the question of the identity of these two figures with the same name, James son of Alphaeus and James "the brother of the Lord", is disputed." Take it up with him. Laugh out loud in his face.

General Audience, 28 June 2006: James, the Lesser | BENEDICT XVI

General Audience, 28 June 2006: James, the Lesser

www.vatican.va

Again, so? lol. You're acting like it means something more than just that it's disputed, but it doesn't, because what in this world isn't disputed by someone? For example, it's proven the Earth is round, yet there are people who still dispute it, and claim to have proven it's flat. That's why I say, despite the proof of something, what someone would rather believe will always be stronger.

You cared enough to initiate a discussion with me about the apostle James in Gal. 1:19, and said that Paul didn't indicate that he's one of the Twelve. In post #4, I gave my argument for why he did, supported by the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, which prove that James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve.

And, not only that. The following is all that they collectively prove:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

Therefore, no, it's not "James in Gal. 1:19 may well have been one of the Twelve", but rather he was one of the Twelve. If you have something that you believe disputes post #4, then I trust you will present it.

 

[RedFan]

Again, so? lol. You're acting like it means something more than just that it's disputed, but it doesn't, because what in this world isn't disputed by someone?

It means that the Pope thinks the matter is unsettled. You don't. He does. So do I. What is the point of continuing this discussion? All you do is copy and paste the same thing over and over again, as though repetition adds strength to the argument.

 

[LuxMundy]

It means that the Pope thinks the matter is unsettled. You don't. He does. So do I.

You chose to initiate a discussion with me about the apostle James in Gal. 1:19, and said that Paul didn't indicate that he's one of the Twelve. In post #4, I gave my argument for why he did, supported by the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, which collectively prove that James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve.

And, not only that. The following is all that they collectively prove:

(I) Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

(II) Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

(III) Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

Therefore, no, it's not "James in Gal. 1:19 may well have been one of the Twelve", but rather he was one of the Twelve.

In Benedict's letter, it only says that there's some who dispute over the indenties of James of Alphaeus and James in Gal. 1:19. What has ever been proven that still isn't disputed by some? It's been proven, and repeatedly proven, for example, that the Earth is round, yet there are people who still dispute it, and/or claim to have proven it's flat. Therefore, this argument of "It's still disputed!" that you're putting up against post #4 is weak.

If you had something that actually disputes post #4, you would've presented it by now. So, this looks to be a case where despite being shown proof, what you'd would rather believe is stronger.

 

[Biblepaige]

I have zero issue with the TRUTH…

I notice your accusations and dancing around in circles…

Do you believe God fertilized Marys “ovum’ egg?

Nooooo,you aren't going to pull that nonsense here.

You're so fixed on this issue that you and another derailed the Trump prayer thread to continue this.

The Bible is clear. You don't agree .

Too bad.

 

[Biblepaige]

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth,text,speaks.

One takeaway from being here even a short duration. The number of fakes is astonishing.


Someone said we cannot know who are of God here. Nonsense.

Those who start threads to cause conflict and division are an example of that which does not know peace. They feed off chaos.

That's not Christ. That's the other guy.

Lord have mercy.

 

[Taken]

The Bible is clear. You don't agree .

Too bad.

I disagree with YOU…YOU are not the Bible…
Your false accusations are accounted to YOU.

 

[Taken]

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth,text,speaks.

One takeaway from being here even a short duration. The number of fakes is astonishing.


Someone said we cannot know who are of God here. Nonsense.

Those who start threads to cause conflict and division are an example of that which does not know peace. They feed off chaos.

That's not Christ. That's the other guy.

Lord have mercy.

Off topic.

Thread title…
Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

 

[Bladerunner]

So, those Christians who existed not long after Jesus and His apostles are just...automatically wrong, eh? Do you say that because what they testify to isn't what you'd rather believe?



Lol, the majority of theologians disagree with me? Name a whole bunch then.

not playing your games, good night

 

[Biblepaige]

The other obvious thing is,men and women Apostles born of another woman aren't at all related to Jesus. Their sire was a man.

 

[RedFan]

You chose to initiate a discussion with me about the apostle James in Gal. 1:19, and said that Paul didn't indicate that he's one of the Twelve. In post #4, I gave my argument for why he did, supported by the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, which collectively prove that James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve.

And, not only that. The following is all that they collectively prove:

(I) Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

(II) Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

(III) Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

Therefore, no, it's not "James in Gal. 1:19 may well have been one of the Twelve", but rather he was one of the Twelve.

In Benedict's letter, it only says that there's some who dispute over the indenties of James of Alphaeus and James in Gal. 1:19. What has ever been proven that still isn't disputed by some? It's been proven, and repeatedly proven, for example, that the Earth is round, yet there are people who still dispute it, and/or claim to have proven it's flat. Therefore, this argument of "It's still disputed!" that you're putting up against post #4 is weak.

If you had something that actually disputes post #4, you would've presented it by now. So, this looks to be a case where despite being shown proof, what you'd would rather believe is stronger.

Not again! What do you want from me? What's your goal here?

 

[Taken]

Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

Jesus HAD Legal “brothers”, born of his LEGAL “parents”, Joseph and Mary.

Jesus HAD no BLOOD relationship to his LEGAL “parents”, Joseph and Mary or ANY Humans.

Jesus HAD HAS (temporary and permanent) Spiritual brothers .
* Temporary…followers, believers, WITH Him, He WITH them…until they Leave Him, and He Leaves Them.
* Permanent…followers, believers, WITH Him, He WITH Them….to the day of “their” bodily death.
* Permanent….followers, COMMITTED CONFESSED believers, MADE WHOLE, (body, soul, spirit), IN Christ, Christ IN Them…FOREVER, the Lord God WITH them, and FOREVER they WITH the Lord God….
Their “status” of Spiritual “brothers”, becomes Spiritual “Children / sons / daughters / people OF God…..AND He their God Forever.”

Glory to God,
Taken