Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

[Biblepaige]

Where are the passages that tell us JESUS had no children? Where are the passages that tell us flying Unicorns don't exist?

Thank you.

 

[Biblepaige]

(Mammals)…Earthly Humans (AND Earthly Animals) begin their process of LIFE from a Human mans SEED (or Animal male seed) that fertilizes a FEMALES egg (ovum)…
…WHO once the egg is fertilized…cells of that KIND of FEMALE “being” begins developing a Placenta, (which attaches to the wall of the Females WOMB, an umbilical cord…FOR the developing SAME “KIND” of being, to be FED nutrients and carry off waste…VIA the females blood….which IS Kept separated by the placenta and umbilical cord, FROM the Female.
…The Fertilizing process is called CONCEPTION..at the females ovum.
…The fertilized egg then travels to the WOMB and the female is called CONCEIVED..(ie Pregnant IN her Womb)…

There WAS NO CONCEPTION, between Gods SEED and Marys egg.

There WAS Mary CONCEIVED (Pregnant) IN her womb…
Joseph’s SEED, Mary’s Ovum (Egg), Mary’s BLOOD, had NO PART in “procreating” Gods WORD…..or HIS BODY.

God——>His Word, His Spirit, His Knowledge, His Wisdom, His Understanding, His Speech, His Power——> ARE ALL “parts” OF GOD WHO IS “SPIRIT”… Which Come forth OUT from God (YET ALWAYS Remain “IN” God).

Human men and mammal animals….”Procreate” with their OWN seed, their SAME KIND of being…..Once “procreated” via fertilizing….God FORMS IT’S BODY IN the Womb of the female.
That formed BODY’s Life….IS IT”S BLOOD.

Per man KIND of beings…the procreated and formed manKind of being…is born approx 9 months later (time varies for animals)…
The BIRTH of a Human KIND of being…is the process of the FORMED human kind of being, to exit the the placenta and the womb of the Female…AND SEVER the umbilical cord…MAKING THAT being (babe), a completely INDEPENDENT living being…

During that same process…that living “babe” receives Gods Breath of Life, IN A SOUL, blown into the nostrils of THAT babe…
WHICH, from there forward, THAT babe, HAS SOUL LIFE IN its body (aside from Blood Life).

THAT…gift of life from Gods Breath, IS IN a SOUL…IS LIFE that belongs to God and ALSO that SOUL belongs to God.

Gods Creation…is the Body of man from dust.
Gods Making….is Gods SOUL given within a man who was Created.

PUROSE of the SOUL? (Communication)
Bodily formed ears…..can Hear.
Bodily formed eyes…..can See.
Bodily formed nostrils…can Smell.
Bodily formed mouth…can Utter sound.
Bodily formed tongue…can taste.
Bodily formed flesh…can feel touch.

DID…God who IS Spirit…BeCOME “CREATED” FROM DUST of the Earth…He Created? No.

DID…God who IS all powerful…”PrePARe” a Body FOR “HIS” WORD….Send Forth His WORD…OUT OF HIS MOUTH…to a Virgin Womb….? Yes.

BY Roman Law…Mans Law…Jewish Law….a babe born forth out of a FEMALES WOMB…the LAWFUL child of that Female…and the LAWFUL chid of the MALE…that Fertilized the Females Ovum? Yes.

Where does Scripture TEACH…Joseph and Mary had “come together” (had sex) and that is HOW Mary became pregnant?
It does not teach that, because that DID NOT Occur.

Where does Scripture TEACH…The WORD of God came forth out of Gods MOUTH…and that “HOLY THING”…(ie God WORD), was SENT TO WHERE….GOD Decided?…IN a Body God Prepared? Yes.

Scripture….Isa. 55:11
Scripture….Heb 10:5
Scripture….Luke 1:35
Scripture….Luke 2:21
Scripture….Matt 1:20
Scripture….John 1: 1-3
Scripture….John 16:28
Scripture….John 16:30
Scripture….John 10:30
Scripture…..Gal 3:16
Scripture…..Heb 13:8
(And more you can research)

Can Celestial Spirits…take on the outer LOOK as a Human man? Yes. And will human men, SEE the look AS a man, and call him a man? Yes…Does Scripture EVER call Spirits, having taken on the Look of a human man……
Call him a HUMAN MAN? No…That is a false narrative human men have created and taught to other human men.

Glory to God,
Taken.

There's no glory salutation when declaring falsehoods regarding God's truth and Jesus birth.

What's wrong with you?

 

[Taken]

There's no glory salutation when declaring falsehoods regarding God's truth and Jesus birth.

What's wrong with you?

It is you appointing “wrong” to me, which doesn’t mean anything to me.

It is God who has given me the status of “righteous”, which is the ONLY thing that matters to me.

Something to ponder from Jesus’ perspective.

John 3:
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Biblepaige]

It is you appointing “wrong” to me, which doesn’t mean anything to me.

It is God who has given me the status of “righteous”, which is the ONLY thing that matters to me.

Something to ponder from Jesus’ perspective.

John 3:
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

That's some load of ego and pride.

God cannot deny himself.

There is no glory made in those who insist he does so. Your Eisegesis is not Biblical.

There is no scripture that sustains the false notion that Jesus was not en embryo in her womb as God intended for his son to be born of a highly favored woman.

Sin entered this world through one man. Not one woman. Which is why also that Adam was not his sire.
Mary was his mother. She was with child. As God intended.

Deny this. It doesn't change God's words.

 

[Bladerunner]

Refer back to post #4 why those believed to have been Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins.

If you read the Bible correctly, one cannot come to that conclusion......

 

[Biblepaige]

There is another factor to consider for those who may think the female reproductive system did not pertain to our Lord.

Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”

 

[Bladerunner]

There is another factor to consider for those who may think the female reproductive system did not pertain to our Lord.

Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”

look to Rev 12....the stars of 2017 had exactly this formation in the stars. It actually happened and thus it began.

 

[Biblepaige]

look to Rev 12....the stars of 2017 had exactly this formation in the stars. It actually happened and thus it began.

We're blessed to be alive to stand as witness don't you agree?

| EarthSky

A mirror in the sky to "signs" from the Bible's Book of Revelation? Possibly. But this same sky scene has been seen 4 other times in the past 1,000 years. An astronomer explains.

earthsky.org

 

[Bladerunner]

We're blessed to be alive to stand as witness don't you agree?

| EarthSky

A mirror in the sky to "signs" from the Bible's Book of Revelation? Possibly. But this same sky scene has been seen 4 other times in the past 1,000 years. An astronomer explains.

earthsky.org

we are of the last generation, I believe....since 1948 when Israel return after 1700 years to her land that GOD gave her to the Prophecies that are on the horizon and have yet to happen to the Rapture that we "alive" true believers await for.....Yes I agree with you in more ways that one.

 

[Biblepaige]

Another POV.

Revelation 12 – A Sign in the Heavens, September 23 2017

“And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains a…

redmoonrapture.org

 

[Bladerunner]

we are of the last generation, I believe....since 1948 when Israel return after 1700 years to her land that GOD gave her to the Prophecies that are on the horizon and have yet to happen to the Rapture that we "alive" true believers await for.....Yes I agree with you in more ways that one.

Gen 1:14...And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Another POV.

Revelation 12 – A Sign in the Heavens, September 23 2017

“And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains a…

redmoonrapture.org

see I told the truth. at least for once.

 

[Bladerunner]

Another POV.

Revelation 12 – A Sign in the Heavens, September 23 2017

“And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains a…

redmoonrapture.org

POV? please explain

 

[LuxMundy]

This is the third time I am seeing the same thing from you. Do you see any point in continuing the discussion? Smh. Hmph. It confirms my suspicion that you get your jollies from some kind of "winning" feeling.

I don't care whether James "the brother of the Lord" was one of the Twelve. He may well have been. But I cannot distill that fact from Gal. 1:18-19. You can. Fine. We just disagree. Enjoy yourself. I'm not interested in proving anything to you.

You cared enough to initiate a discussion with me about the apostle James in Gal. 1:19, and said that Paul didn't indicates that he's one of the Twelve. In post #4, I gave my argument for why he did, supported by the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, which prove that James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve.

And, not only that. The following is all that they collectively prove:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

Therefore, no, it's not "James in Gal. 1:19 may well have been one of the Twelve", but rather he was one of the Twelve.

 

[LuxMundy]

If you read the Bible correctly, one cannot come to that conclusion......

Post #4 shows that your conclusion is wrong.

 

[Bladerunner]

Post #4 shows that your conclusion is wrong.

put me a link to it and I will look at it.

 

[Biblepaige]

POV? please explain

POV =Point Of View

 

[LuxMundy]

put me a link to it and I will look at it.

I told you to refer back to post #4 before (which is on page 1) but you never did, and said I was wrong before even reading the post?? Sheesh. Anyway, here's the link to page 1 of this thread: Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

 

[Bladerunner]

Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?​

Part I

In this post, I will show the teaching that Jesus's four brothers (Matt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3) were His half-siblings is false.

Firstly, only Jesus is called the son of Joseph and Mary. (Matt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3)

Secondly, the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός'' (sing. adelphos/brother;pl. ἀδελφοί/adelphoi/brothers) has the following definitions: "fellow-countryman," "disciple/follower," "one of the same faith," and "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative," e.g., sibling, cousin, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, etc. In the plural, it regularly refers to men and women.

In Matt. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3, Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) are called Jesus's "ἀδελφοί' (adelphoi/brothers). The context shows that its applicable definition is "kinsman, or relative." In Gal. 1:19, Paul calls a man named "James" Jesus's "ἀδελφός" (adelphos/brother), and the context shows that its applicable definition is "kinsman, or relative" as well. Therefore, we can deduce that the James's in Matt. 13:55, Mk. 6:3 and Gal. 1:19 were the same person. In the same verse, Paul indicates that James is one of the Twelve, and only one of the two named "James" of the twelve apostles, and their known siblings, correspond with Matt. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3 (see bold below):

Apostle James the Great and Apostle John of Zebedee
(Matt. 4:21, Mk. 1:19;3:17;10:35, Lk. 5:10, Ac. 12:1-2)

Apostle James, Apostle Judas (Jude/Thaddeus), and Joseph of Alphaeus
(Matt. 10:3, Mk. 3:18;15:40, Lk. 6:15-16, Ac. 1:13)

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The following scriptural verses and early Christian testimonies collectively prove
that the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus, and their siblings, were the brothers (kinsmen/relatives) of Jesus:

Two accounts of the same scene:
"Mary the mother of James" (Mk. 16:1)
"Mary the mother of James" (Lk. 24:10)

Three accounts of the same scene:
"Mary Magdalene, Mary (Mary of Clopas/Cleophas) the mother of James (the Less) and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee (Salome)" (Matt. 27:56)

"Mary Magdalene, Mary (Mary of Clopas/Cleophas) the mother of James the Less and Joseph, and Salome (the mother of the sons of Zebedee)" (Mk. 15:40)

"His Mother (Mary of Joseph), His Mother's sister Mary, the wife of Clopas/Cleophas (the mother of James the Less and Joseph), and Mary Magdalene" (Jn. 19:25)


I. "Mary the wife of Cleophas or Alphaeus [Clopas], who was the mother of James the bishop and apostle, and of Simon and Thaddeus (Jude/Judas), and of one Joseph." (Papias of Hierapolis [c. 60–130 AD], Fragments of Papias, Frag. 10, see Jn. 19:25)

II. "[...] James, who is called the brother of the Lord [...] as appears to me, the son of Mary sister of the mother of our Lord [...] after ordained by the apostles bishop of Jerusalem, wrote a single epistle, which is reckoned among the seven Catholic epistles" (see Jud. 1:1) and "[...] Mary who is described as the mother of James the Less was the wife of Alphaeus and sister of Mary the Lord's mother" (Jerome of Stridon [c. 347–420 CE], De Viris Illustribus, De Perpetua Uirginitate Beatae Mariae, see Jn. 19:25)

III. Eusebius of Caesarea [c. 260–340 AD] relates the following in his Historia Ecclesiastica:

“James, the brother of the Lord, was "[...] the author of the first of the so-called catholic epistles" and that while it is disputed, "as is the case likewise with the epistle that bears the name of Jude, which is also one of the seven so-called catholic epistles", it is known they have been "[...] read publicly in very many churches." (Bk. I, ch. 23, see Jud. 1:1)

"James […] surnamed the Just [...] bishop of the church of Jerusalem. This James was called the brother of the Lord" and "Paul also makes mention of the same James the Just, where he writes, 'Other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.'" (Bk. II, ch. 1)

"[...] those of the apostles and disciples of the Lord [...] with those that were related to the Lord according to the flesh ... pronounced Symeon [Simon], the son of Clopas [...] to be worthy of the episcopal throne of that parish. He was a cousin, as they say, of the Saviour. For Hegesippus records that Clopas was a brother of Joseph." (Bk. III, ch. 11)

"Josephus, at least, has not hesitated to testify this in his writings, where he says, 'These things happened to the Jews to avenge James the Just, who was a brother of Jesus, that is called the Christ.'" (Bk. II, ch. 23)

"[...] the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James" (Flavius Josephus [c. 37-100 CE], Antiquitates Iudaicae, Bk. XX, ch. 9)

"[...] James the Just bishop of Jerusalem" and "[...] but there were two Jameses: one called the Just [...] thrown from the pinnacle of the temple [...] and beaten to death with a club by a fuller, and another who was beheaded." (Bk. II, ch. 1) (Clement of Alexandria [c. 150–215 AD], Hypotyposes, Bk. VII, see Ac. 12:1-2)

"[...] James the brother of the Lord, succeeded to the government of the Church [...] called the Just [...]" (Bk. II, ch. 23) and "after James the Just had suffered martyrdom [...] Symeon [Simon], the son of the Lord's uncle, Clopas, was appointed the next bishop [...] because he was a cousin of the Lord." (Bk. III, ch. 22) (Hegesippus [c. 110-180 AD], Hypomnemata)

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Summary

The scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources collectively proves the following:​

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins​

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• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve​

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also was "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)​

you are bound and determined to undermine the Bible. For what reason....You add your opinion along with opinions of other persons and books that are also trying to remove/change any part of GOD's plan.....Satan would love to see it happen....you working for HIM for what you said is not how it reads the majority of theologeans agree on that. You need to Run as fast as you can away from this Covenament theology for it is taking you in the wrong direction.

 

[LuxMundy]

you are bound and determined to undermine the Bible. For what reason....You add your opinion along with opinions of other persons and books that are also trying to remove/change any part of GOD's plan.....

So, those Christians who existed not long after Jesus and His apostles are just...automatically wrong, eh? Do you say that because what they testify to isn't what you'd rather believe?

[...] what you said is not how it reads the majority of theologeans agree on that.

Lol, the majority of theologians disagree with me? Name a whole bunch then.

 

[Taken]

That's some load of ego and pride.

You should learn the difference between Pride and Thankfulness.

God delights in a righteous man…. Pss 33::5

God cannot deny himself.

No kidding…as I have also said.
However men CAN and DO deny God!

Humans Procreate Humans from their own SEED fertilizing a Humans EGG, and the Human FEMALE nurtures the zygote, embryo, fetus, baby, through it’s developing process VIA the Females BLOOD, and then Delivers forth a Human KIND of being.

No such thing occurred regarding Jesus….as you falsely teach.