Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

[Matthias]

Post #4 shows that those believed to be Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins.

Clearly that’s your position.

For the sake of argument, if it were true that they were Jesus's half-siblings, why would the Catholic Church insist otherwise?

Dogma concerning Mary.

I mentioned two Catholic translations which identify them as brothers and sisters, not cousins. How do you account for that? The translators could have easily rendered the passage as “cousins”. That would have at least placed your belief unquestionably in the text.

And, if they did, why would I leave the Church that Jesus founded based on a disagreement on this topic? That's silly.

What would happen if you remained and spoke openly against the teaching authority of the RCC? Why would you even want to remain if the Church isn’t teaching sound doctrine?

How come?

Have you changed your mind about there being no possibility that you are wrong on the subject? I don’t spend much time speaking with people who have closed their mind. You’re entitled to your belief but my time is better spent with those who are openminded.

Though I’m not Protestant myself, suffice it to say that I agree with the common Protestant arguments in this case.

 

[Matthias]

...why would I leave the Church that Jesus founded based on a disagreement on this topic?

I wanted to comment separately on this statement of yours. This, of course, is standard Catholic belief / teaching. I’m neither Catholic nor Protestant. I don’t accept your premise.

The Church Jesus founded had its beginning within and as a sect of Judaism. The Catholic Church came later, and the Protestant Churches later still.

The Church that Jesus founded - Primitive Christianity - is Jewish, not Roman Catholic.

P.S. I understand that you won’t agree with my position and I’m fine with that. I don’t think discussing that further here would fall within the scope of the topic of the thread. I just thought you should have an idea about how far apart we really are.

 

[LuxMundy]

Dogma concerning Mary.

Well, if Jesus had half-siblings, why would the Catholic Church have a dogma about Mary that says otherwise?

I mentioned two Catholic translations which identify them as brothers and sisters, not cousins. How do you account for that? The translators could have easily rendered the passage as “cousins”. That would have at least placed your belief unquestionably in the text.

While the English translation of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός" is "brothers", its only familial definition is "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative", and thus it can be used to refer to various types of family members. It's the genealogical evidence in post #4 that shows Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) believed to be His half-siblings were actually the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus, and his wife Mary, and thus His cousins. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek, and the writers chose to use the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός", which aptly applies because it can be used to refer to cousins.

What would happen if you remained and spoke openly against the teaching authority of the RCC? Why would you even want to remain if the Church isn’t teaching sound doctrine?

I don't know what would happen, but it wouldn't stop me from speaking what I believe to be true, even if I'm wrong. Hopefully. The Catholic Church that Jesus founded is made up of humans, though the leaders are guided by the Holy Spirit, they're still human. So, sometimes, there's going to be times where someone doesn't say or do something that they should. However, it doesn't mean that person can't right their way of speaking or acting about something if they invoke God's help.

Have you changed your mind about there being no possibility that you are wrong on the subject? I don’t spend much time speaking with people who have closed their mind. You’re entitled to your belief but my time is better spent with those who are openminded.

I haven't and I won't change my mind, because the evidence in post #4 shows that those believed to be Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins. If there's evidence to show x is true, why does acceptance of that evidence for the truth mean that one is close-minded, considering that something is either true or it's not?

The Church Jesus founded had its beginning within and as a sect of Judaism. The Catholic Church came later [...]

Jesus founded Christianity in His homeland, and His Christian Church, also known now as the Christian (Catholic) Church, and the first Christians were Jewish people. The first leaders of the Christian (Catholic) Church were the twelve apostles, that's what Jesus spent three years training them to be, and that line of succession hasn't been broken for over two thousand years. Even if you don't agree, why should I leave the Church that I believe Jesus founded because of a disagreement on this topic?

It doesn’t show that to me.

How come?

 

[LuxMundy]

Jesus had many brothers and sisters...Rem, while they are only "half Brothers and Sisters" biologically, they were considered His "full brothers and sisters" according to the civil law...This allowed Joseph to adopt Jesus as a son..to Nation and GOD there was no difference between them all.../.

Refer back to post #4 why those believed to have been Jesus's half-siblings were actually His cousins.

 

[RedFan]

Again, the evidence in post #4 is the early Christian testimonies that support my arguments which you haven't adressed at all yet.

Why would I? They affirm what I do not deny: that James the "brother of the Lord" was not an actual child of the Lord's mother Mary. I have never challenged that thesis. But the argument that Paul, in the first chapter of Galatians, considered James the "brother of the Lord" one of the Twelve is incorrect. That's all I am saying.

If you give me a dozen reasons why the world is round, and one of them is because the sky is blue, am I not entitled to challenge just that reason without denying that the world is round?

 

[LuxMundy]

Why would I? They affirm what I do not deny: that James the "brother of the Lord" was not an actual child of the Lord's mother Mary.

They affirm more than that if you read my post in full, for example, that James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus, one of the Twelve. In post #4, the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, collectively prove the following:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

 

[Taken]

You made the claim Jesus was not of Mary's egg.

Correct.

[QUOTE}
Jesus was the Messiah of prophecy that would descend from the line of King David [/QUOTE]

Jesus is the Word of God…sent forth out from God, IN a body God Prepared, To a virgin womb, Mary of the House of David, betrothed to a man, Joseph of the House of David…Born of Mary, CALLED the Son of Man….TOLD to Mary….He “would be CALLED the Son of God.

30+ years LATER…One the DAY it was Revealed by ( human men witnesses )…
Jesus received…the POWER of God…(that was ALWAYS WITH HIM….) BUT REMAINED IN HEAVEN, WHEN He was SENT to earth…
IN A HUMBLED Fashion, AS the Son of Man.

THE DAY, Jesus RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN Him, was the DAY, (for human mens example) IS THE DAY a man BECOMES INDEWELT with the Spirit of God…CALLED BORN OF God.

Acts 13:
[33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Mary was of that lineage and Jesus born of her blood was that Messiah of prophecy.

That ^ is IN CONTRAST to Scripture…

John 1:
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Word of God, CAME forth out from God, was entered INTO A BODY that was PREPARED of God, MADE in the “likeness” “AS” a man sent to Earth. FROM Heaven…FOR human men TO SEE and Hear.

You try to MAKE Him “A human man”…
God MADE HIM in A BODY, in the LIKENESS “AS” A human man. Yes, He was CALLED “A MAN”….never called “A HUMAN MAN”…

Not much different than MEN, appearing in the LIKENESS “AS” a Female, Calling themselves A FEMALE….but ARE MEN.

Spirits DO NOT BECOME Human Men.
Human Men DO NOT BECOME Spirits.

Jesus IS Spirit, WHO appeared AS a Human man….Human men COULD and SHALL SEE.

Human Men (who are Converted) SHALL Appear AS Spirits, WHOM (unconverted Human men) CAN NOT, SHALL NOT be able to SEE.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[RedFan]

They affirm more than that if you read my post in full, for example, that James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus, one of the Twelve. In post #4, the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (the early Christians) collectively proves the following:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also was "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

The only reference to Galatians in your Post #4 list of ECF quotes is this one for Eusebius: ""James […] surnamed the Just [...] bishop of the church of Jerusalem. This James was called the brother of the Lord" and "Paul also makes mention of the same James the Just, where he writes, 'Other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.'" (Bk. II, ch. 1)."

I see nothing here suggesting that this James was considered by Paul to be one of the Twelve.

 

[LuxMundy]

The only reference to Galatians in your Post #4 list of ECF quotes is this one for Eusebius: ""James […] surnamed the Just [...] bishop of the church of Jerusalem. This James was called the brother of the Lord" and "Paul also makes mention of the same James the Just, where he writes, 'Other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.'" (Bk. II, ch. 1)."

I see nothing here suggesting that this James was considered by Paul to be one of the Twelve.

Again, the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, collectively prove the following. See below. What does that mean? It means you can't just pluck any section out of post #4 and go, "This doesn't suggest that", but rather look at all the information collectively. If you go and do that, you'll see that the following is true:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

 

[RedFan]

Again, the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (the early Christians) collectively proves the following. What does that mean? It means you can't just pluck any section out of post #4 and go, "This doesn't suggest that", but rather look at all the information collectively. If you go and do that, you'll see the following is true:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

We are just retreading the same ground now. Let's just put our disagreement over Paul's intent on Galatians 1:18-19 (the only thing I cared to discuss, although you seem bent on expanding the discussion) on the shelf.

I think all of this is somewhat academic, and hardly matters to the Catholic Church's claim that Mary was a virgin all her life. Even granting that Jesus was Mary’s only child, how does that prove her lifelong virginity? It doesn’t. Mary had a husband! Where is the evidence that they forbore from marital relations all the years they were together?

 

[LuxMundy]

Let's just put our disagreement over Paul's intent on Galatians 1:18-19 (the only thing I cared to discuss, although you seem bent on expanding the discussion) on the shelf.

You denied that Paul was referring to one of the James's of the Twelve in Gal. 1:19. So, I referred you back to post #4, and said that if you look at all the information collectively: the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, you'd see that it proves James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve.

And, not only that. The following is all that they collectively prove:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

So, I've given you proof for that and then some, and all you can say in response is, "let's just put this on the shelf."

Smh. Hmph.

 

[Biblepaige]

Correct.

[QUOTE}
Jesus was the Messiah of prophecy that would descend from the line of King David

Jesus is the Word of God…sent forth out from God, IN a body God Prepared, To a virgin womb, Mary of the House of David, betrothed to a man, Joseph of the House of David…Born of Mary, CALLED the Son of Man….TOLD to Mary….He “would be CALLED the Son of God.

30+ years LATER…One the DAY it was Revealed by ( human men witnesses )…
Jesus received…the POWER of God…(that was ALWAYS WITH HIM….) BUT REMAINED IN HEAVEN, WHEN He was SENT to earth…
IN A HUMBLED Fashion, AS the Son of Man.

THE DAY, Jesus RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD WITHIN Him, was the DAY, (for human mens example) IS THE DAY a man BECOMES INDEWELT with the Spirit of God…CALLED BORN OF God.

Acts 13:
[33] God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.




That ^ is IN CONTRAST to Scripture…

John 1:
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Word of God, CAME forth out from God, was entered INTO A BODY that was PREPARED of God, MADE in the “likeness” “AS” a man sent to Earth. FROM Heaven…FOR human men TO SEE and Hear.

You try to MAKE Him “A human man”…
God MADE HIM in A BODY, in the LIKENESS “AS” A human man. Yes, He was CALLED “A MAN”….never called “A HUMAN MAN”…

Not much different than MEN, appearing in the LIKENESS “AS” a Female, Calling themselves A FEMALE….but ARE MEN.

Spirits DO NOT BECOME Human Men.
Human Men DO NOT BECOME Spirits.

Jesus IS Spirit, WHO appeared AS a Human man….Human men COULD and SHALL SEE.

Human Men (who are Converted) SHALL Appear AS Spirits, WHOM (unconverted Human men) CAN NOT, SHALL NOT be able to SEE.

Glory to God,
Taken
[/QUOTE]
Jesus was never an embryo?

 

[Biblepaige]

While the English translation of the Koine Greek word "ἀδελφός" is "brothers", its only familial definition is "kinsman/kinswoman, or relative", and thus it can be used to refer to various types of family members. It's the genealogical evidence in post #4 that shows Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) believed to be His half-siblings were actually the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus, and his wife Mary, and thus His cousins.

We know they weren't his cousins because the references to his siblings include sisters.

It's shocking people insist Mary was barren after Jesus birth. And didn't have sex with Joseph who only knew her after the birth of Jesus.

Knew her meaning,had sex with her . Just as in the Old Testament where the reference is used with regard to Adam and Eve and other of the patriarchs.

 

[PGS11]

Bothers and sisters were not a term used exclusively for family.They called everyone their brothers and sisters Jesus use the term many times in examples.Its used all over the bible extensively out of context of their own family.Also it was thought maybe Joseph had other children previously he was a old man and could of been a widow who would take a young wife some believe but that does not have to be believed.It was a small population with many related to each other in the middle of a Roman invasion.It says Mary was found with child and Joseph took her in to avoid scandal for her.It is not like the way media has portrayed them as two teenagers in love.The media really messes people up take angels for example they don't look like that are depicted in art work little babies with wings not at all.Look at the description of an angel in the bible they are not babies with wings.They are powerful spiritual being with some carrying weapons of war.They are all over the bible.

 

[marks]

Yes, unless you can give an example(s) of what you've read from it?

I have no need to prove myself to you.

Much love!

 

[RedFan]

You denied that Paul was referring to one of the James's of the Twelve in Gal. 1:19. So, I referred you back to post #4, and said that if you look at all the information collectively: the scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources (early Christian Church Fathers), even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, you'd see that it proves James in Gal. 1:19 was the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve.

And, not only that. The following is all that they collectively prove:

• Jesus's brothers (kinsmen/relatives) Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) were the sons of His Mother's Spouse's brother, Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas), and his wife Mary of Clopas (Cleophas/Alphaeus), the sister in-law of Mary of Joseph (Jn. 19:25), and thus His cousins

• Jesus's cousins James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) also were the apostles James and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) of Alphaeus (Clopas/Cleophas) of the Twelve

• Jesus's cousin James (Matt. 13:55, Mk.6:3) was not only the apostle James of Alphaeus of the Twelve, but also "James the Less" (Mk. 15:40), "James the brother of the Lord" (Gal. 1:19), "James the Just", "James the bishop of Jerusalem" (Ac. 15:13-21), and "James the author of the Epistle of James" (Jas. 1:1)

So, I've given you proof for that and then some, and all you can say in response is, "let's just put this on the shelf."

Smh. Hmph.

This is the third time I am seeing the same thing from you. Do you see any point in continuing the discussion? Smh. Hmph. It confirms my suspicion that you get your jollies from some kind of "winning" feeling.

I don't care whether James "the brother of the Lord" was one of the Twelve. He may well have been. But I cannot distill that fact from Gal. 1:18-19. You can. Fine. We just disagree. Enjoy yourself. I'm not interested in proving anything to you.

 

[PGS11]

He could easily have brother and sister without Mary being their mother.How do you know they were Mary's children.He could have 4 brothers and two sister but Mary was not their mother.There is no way to prove she is.

 

[Biblepaige]

Bothers and sisters were not a term used exclusively for family.They called everyone their brothers and sisters Jesus use the term many times in examples.Its used all over the bible extensively out of context of their own family.Also it was thought maybe Joseph had other children previously he was a old man and could of been a widow who would take a young wife some believe but that does not have to be believed.It was a small population with many related to each other in the middle of a Roman invasion.It says Mary was found with child and Joseph took her in to avoid scandal for her.It is not like the way media has portrayed them as two teenagers in love.The media really messes people up take angels for example they don't look like that are depicted in art work little babies with wings not at all.Look at the description of an angel in the bible they are not babies with wings.They are powerful spiritual being with some carrying weapons of war.They are all over the bible.

Except in Scripture Jesus was referred to by others in the context of having sisters and brothers.

How do we believe in God's word and then in rent all these excuses as to why we shouldn't believe certain parts we don't agree with?

How about this . Where are the passages that tell us Mary had no other children?

 

[Taken]

Jesus was never an embryo?

(Mammals)…Earthly Humans (AND Earthly Animals) begin their process of LIFE from a Human mans SEED (or Animal male seed) that fertilizes a FEMALES egg (ovum)…
…WHO once the egg is fertilized…cells of that KIND of FEMALE “being” begins developing a Placenta, (which attaches to the wall of the Females WOMB, an umbilical cord…FOR the developing SAME “KIND” of being, to be FED nutrients and carry off waste…VIA the females blood….which IS Kept separated by the placenta and umbilical cord, FROM the Female.
…The Fertilizing process is called CONCEPTION..at the females ovum.
…The fertilized egg then travels to the WOMB and the female is called CONCEIVED..(ie Pregnant IN her Womb)…

There WAS NO CONCEPTION, between Gods SEED and Marys egg.

There WAS Mary CONCEIVED (Pregnant) IN her womb…
Joseph’s SEED, Mary’s Ovum (Egg), Mary’s BLOOD, had NO PART in “procreating” Gods WORD…..or HIS BODY.

God——>His Word, His Spirit, His Knowledge, His Wisdom, His Understanding, His Speech, His Power——> ARE ALL “parts” OF GOD WHO IS “SPIRIT”… Which Come forth OUT from God (YET ALWAYS Remain “IN” God).

Human men and mammal animals….”Procreate” with their OWN seed, their SAME KIND of being…..Once “procreated” via fertilizing….God FORMS IT’S BODY IN the Womb of the female.
That formed BODY’s Life….IS IT”S BLOOD.

Per man KIND of beings…the procreated and formed manKind of being…is born approx 9 months later (time varies for animals)…
The BIRTH of a Human KIND of being…is the process of the FORMED human kind of being, to exit the the placenta and the womb of the Female…AND SEVER the umbilical cord…MAKING THAT being (babe), a completely INDEPENDENT living being…

During that same process…that living “babe” receives Gods Breath of Life, IN A SOUL, blown into the nostrils of THAT babe…
WHICH, from there forward, THAT babe, HAS SOUL LIFE IN its body (aside from Blood Life).

THAT…gift of life from Gods Breath, IS IN a SOUL…IS LIFE that belongs to God and ALSO that SOUL belongs to God.

Gods Creation…is the Body of man from dust.
Gods Making….is Gods SOUL given within a man who was Created.

PUROSE of the SOUL? (Communication)
Bodily formed ears…..can Hear.
Bodily formed eyes…..can See.
Bodily formed nostrils…can Smell.
Bodily formed mouth…can Utter sound.
Bodily formed tongue…can taste.
Bodily formed flesh…can feel touch.

DID…God who IS Spirit…BeCOME “CREATED” FROM DUST of the Earth…He Created? No.

DID…God who IS all powerful…”PrePARe” a Body FOR “HIS” WORD….Send Forth His WORD…OUT OF HIS MOUTH…to a Virgin Womb….? Yes.

BY Roman Law…Mans Law…Jewish Law….a babe born forth out of a FEMALES WOMB…the LAWFUL child of that Female…and the LAWFUL chid of the MALE…that Fertilized the Females Ovum? Yes.

Where does Scripture TEACH…Joseph and Mary had “come together” (had sex) and that is HOW Mary became pregnant?
It does not teach that, because that DID NOT Occur.

Where does Scripture TEACH…The WORD of God came forth out of Gods MOUTH…and that “HOLY THING”…(ie God WORD), was SENT TO WHERE….GOD Decided?…IN a Body God Prepared? Yes.

Scripture….Isa. 55:11
Scripture….Heb 10:5
Scripture….Luke 1:35
Scripture….Luke 2:21
Scripture….Matt 1:20
Scripture….John 1: 1-3
Scripture….John 16:28
Scripture….John 16:30
Scripture….John 10:30
Scripture…..Gal 3:16
Scripture…..Heb 13:8
(And more you can research)

Can Celestial Spirits…take on the outer LOOK as a Human man? Yes. And will human men, SEE the look AS a man, and call him a man? Yes…Does Scripture EVER call Spirits, having taken on the Look of a human man……
Call him a HUMAN MAN? No…That is a false narrative human men have created and taught to other human men.

Glory to God,
Taken.

 

[RedFan]

Where are the passages that tell us Mary had no other children?

Where are the passages that tell us JESUS had no children? Where are the passages that tell us flying Unicorns don't exist?