We really need to pay close attention to James’ warnings!

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If all the proofs vs. OSAS were posted at once, the system would crash!

James was writing to Jewish believers whose salvation was in doubt.

And the best of what he has to offer is an old fav of mine,
and should be an old fav of everyone who loves Jesus, but alas 'tis not …

James 1:12-16, NKJV
"Blessed is the man who endures temptation;
for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of (eternal) life
which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”;
for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren."

Yes, I may need to post proof again that "the crown of life" IS eternal life!
So, any offers (of requiring proof)?
Meanwhile, how much overcoming of sin is required for one to finally
be approved unto eternal life ... Oh, how about a whole life-time?
Yes, approximately 10 other verses agree that this is what is required! (These are not listed below)

James 1:21-22, NKJV
“Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness (from your past life),
and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.”


But, Lord, some people think they are justified and saved when they first receive the Holy Spirit.

James 2:24
“You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”


James 5:19-20, NKJV
“Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth,
and someone turns him back,
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”


Now, let’s see … does the Lord kill the brethren who wander from the Truth?
No, don’t think so … never seen nor heard of that.
Oh, my, could it be that we’re talking here about eternal death (once again)?


Yes, it’s the same old story …
We must remain in the faith until death to finally receive eternal life
… because salvation is a life-long process.
 

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Scripture says once we believe we have eternal life..John 3:14-16 NIV, John 5:24 NIV, John 6:40 NIV, John 6:47 NIV, John 6:54 NIV, John 10:25-30 NIV, Acts 13:46-48 NIV, Rom 6:22-23 NIV, Eph 1:13-14 NIV, 1 Tim 1:15-16 NIV, Tit 1:1-3 NIV, Heb 9:12 NIV, 1 John 5:9-14 NIV

Maybe God lied. Uh oh. :unsure:
 

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The seed of God that is in us is imperishable...Matt 13:20-23 NIV, Luke 8:11 NIV, 1 Cor 15:54-57 NIV, 1 Pet 1:23 NIV, 1 John 3:9 NIV
 

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We are sealed until the day of redemption...John 6:27 NIV, 1 Cor 9:2 NIV, 2 Cor 1:21-22 NIV, Eph 1:13-14 NIV, Eph 4:30 NIV, Rev 9:4 NIV
 

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Overcoming and being victorious is based on belief, not works...John 16:33 NIV, Acts 20:28 NIV, Rom 8:35 NIV, Rom 8:37 NIV, 1 Cor 15:54-57 NIV, 2 Cor 2:14 NIV, 1 Pet 2:24-25 NIV, 1 John 2:13-14 NIV, 1 John 4:4 NIV, 1 John 5:4-5 NIV, Rev 12:11 NIV
 

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We have an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade...Dan 12:13 NIV, Matt 25:34 NIV, Acts 20:32 NIV, Gal 3:18 NIV, Gal 4:30-31 NIV, Eph 1:13-14 NIV, Eph 1:18 NIV, Col 1:12 NIV, Heb 9:15 NIV, 1 Peter 1:3-5 NIV
 

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There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus...Mark 16:16 NIV, John 3:18 NIV, John 5:28-29 NIV, John 8:11 NIV, John 16:11 NIV, Rom 3:6-8 NIV, Rom 5:16 NIV, Rom 8:1-2 NIV, Rom 8:34 ESV, Col 2:13-15 NIV, 2 Thess 2:11-12 NIV, 2 Pet 2:3 NIV, 1 John 3:21 NIV, Jude 1:4-5 NIV
 

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Jesus died for past, present and future sins...Rom 4:7-8 NIV, Rom 6:10 NIV, Rom 8:38-39 ESV, 1 Cor 15:12-19 NIV, Col 2:13-15 NIV, Heb 7:23-25 NIV, Heb 7:27 NIV, Heb 9:12 NIV, Heb 9:24-28 NIV, Heb 10:10-14 NIV, 1 Pet 3:18 NIV
 

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Zachary said:
If all the proofs vs. OSAS were posted at once, the system would crash!

James was writing to Jewish believers whose salvation was in doubt.

And the best of what he has to offer is an old fav of mine,
and should be an old fav of everyone who loves Jesus, but alas 'tis not …

James 1:12-16, NKJV
"Blessed is the man who endures temptation;
for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of (eternal) life
which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”;
for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren."

Yes, I may need to post proof again that "the crown of life" IS eternal life!
So, any offers (of requiring proof)?
Meanwhile, how much overcoming of sin is required for one to finally
be approved unto eternal life ... Oh, how about a whole life-time?
Yes, approximately 10 other verses agree that this is what is required! (These are not listed below)

James 1:21-22, NKJV
“Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness (from your past life),
and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.”


But, Lord, some people think they are justified and saved when they first receive the Holy Spirit.

James 2:24
“You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”


James 5:19-20, NKJV
“Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth,
and someone turns him back,
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”


Now, let’s see … does the Lord kill the brethren who wander from the Truth?
No, don’t think so … never seen nor heard of that.
Oh, my, could it be that we’re talking here about eternal death (once again)?


Yes, it’s the same old story …
We must remain in the faith until death to finally receive eternal life
… because salvation is a life-long process.
The Gospel itself is proof against OSAS.
Every word that Jesus ever spoke is proof.
I honestly don't understand how anyone could ever believe in OSAS...
 

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If you are a true believer, born again, you will inherit the crown of life Matt 7:16, Rev 2:10.
We actually inherited this crown when we first believed Rom 10:9.
So did the old man on his death bed who also believed, then died minutes later John 6:47.
 

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Zachary said:
James 5:19-20, NKJV
“Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth,
and someone turns him back,
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
James 5:19-20 NIV - The NIV version says "turns the sinner". It is simply saying that sin brings death. That is all.
 

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Zachary said:
James 2:24
“You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”
Of course he is, but where is salvation mentioned here? Nowhere. There's that word believe again..James 2:23 NIV And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

John 6:28-29 NIV Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" 29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

Rom 3:21-22 NIV But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,

Rom 4:11 NIV And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.

Rom 4:22-24 NIV This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23 The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

Rom 10:3-4 NIV Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

1 Cor 15:10-11 NIV But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them--yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

Gal 3:5 NIV Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

1 Tim 4:10 NIV That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
 

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ATP said:
Scripture says once we believe we have eternal life..
Adolf Hiltler claimed to be a Christian in Mein Kampf,.

In a speech from April 12, 1922 and published in his book My New Order, Adolf Hitler explains his perspective on Jesus Christ:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

Since all believers are automatically saved, I reckon Hiltler falls under the OSAS category.. So like Lazarus, I imagine we'll all see ole Adolf in paradise being comforted in Abraham's Bosom? :)
 

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Dan57 said:
Adolf Hiltler claimed to be a Christian in Mein Kampf,.

In a speech from April 12, 1922 and published in his book My New Order, Adolf Hitler explains his perspective on Jesus Christ:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

Since all believers are automatically saved, I reckon Hiltler falls under the OSAS category.. So like Lazarus, I imagine we'll all see ole Adolf in paradise being comforted in Abraham's Bosom? :)
:eek:
 

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The Barrd said:
The Gospel itself is proof against OSAS.
Every word that Jesus ever spoke is proof.
I honestly don't understand how anyone could ever believe in OSAS...
There are many possible reasons, which differ for each individual.
 

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Dan57 said:
Since all believers are automatically saved, I reckon Hiltler falls under the OSAS category.. So like Lazarus, I imagine we'll all see ole Adolf in paradise being comforted in Abraham's Bosom? :)
Salvation is in Rom 10:9-10. If Adolf truly believed in his heart before he died then he will partake in the first resurrection. Honestly, we cannot know either way. I personally believe he did not, but hey, it's whatever.... :mellow:
 

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Where in the NT does it say the Spirit of the Lord does this after resurrection?

1 Sam 16:14 NIV Now the Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him.