Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

[Phoneman777]

One of many problems with your blasphemy against the holy spirit.

You also misrepresent what is actually written in Hebrews 2.

The nature of angels? Is not that of sinless perfection. Angels rebelled against God in the war in heaven.

The actual Hebrews 2 verse reads like this:
Hebrews 2:16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Jesus was tempted and suffered,fasting 40 days and nights in the desert.
He did not succumb to temptation because he was made like his brothers in every respect except being divine, he could not have a sin nature.

Why? He was begotten of God.
To insist Jesus had a sin nature is to say God's divine nature shared space with the fallen sin nature.

And while some here do insist Jesus saved himself when he saved us, because they claim he had a sin nature, that's blasphemy against the holy spirit too.

Jesus had a sinful nature - it's why He had to "learn obedience". Saying He had a sinful nature is NOT saying He was sinful - He was perfectly obedient. It's not a sin to be tempted, but to yield to it:

"Yield not to temptation,
For yielding is sin;
Each vic'try will help you,
some other to win;
Fight manfully onward,
dark passions subdue.
Look ever to Jesus,
He will carry you through."

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[jeffweeder]

Jesus has a Holy Divine nature.

Heb 1
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world. 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.

Does God nave a sinful nature ?
surely not.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Jesus had a sinful nature - it's why He had to "learn obedience". Saying He had a sinful nature is NOT saying He was sinful - He was perfectly obedient. It's not a sin to be tempted, but to yield to it:

"Yield not to temptation,
For yielding is sin;
Each vic'try will help you,
some other to win;
Fight manfully onward,
dark passions subdue.
Look ever to Jesus,
He will carry you through."

Best song on Youtube:

Thank you. Now that member that asked where did you show you blasphemed the holy spirit may without doubt have proof.Again.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

They called him the enemy as well and we know how that turned out for them?

Yes, yes we do.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No sorry... he became a servant i.e didn't claim the entitlements of a Son.

So? He was still God before he became a man

 

[1stCenturyLady]

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Yes, that is what you are doing alright.

 

[Phoneman777]

Thank you. Now that member that asked where did you show you blasphemed the holy spirit may without doubt have proof.Again.

It is YOU who blasphemes God as the most unjust judge to ever exist...by denying the truth that Jesus had no advantage over His followers when it comes to meeting the Divine Standard.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

So? He was still God before he became a man

He was God as a man.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Jesus has a Holy Divine nature.

Heb 1
1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world. 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.

Does God nave a sinful nature ?
surely not.

Of course he doesn't.
We know that. :) Great verse.

 

[Mr E]

He was God as a man.

Just out of curiousity-- how do you deal with scripture such as in Num 23 that says clearly-- "God is not a man"?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Of course he doesn't.
We know that. :) Great verse.

Easy. That's because Jesus wasn't yet born.
We should have posted that as the first reply. But we'd still read arguments against Go

Just out of curiousity-- how do you deal with scripture such as in Num 23 that says clearly-- "God is not a man"?

 

[Mr E]

Easy. That's because Jesus wasn't yet born.
We should have posted that as the first reply. But we'd still read arguments against Go

Got it.

God became a man—- later. Jesus wasn’t born yet. So later, when Jesus was born- that’s when God became a man. What was Jesus doing for all eternity before he was born a man? Pickle ball?

The same scripture says also “nor a son of man”.

It does NOT say, God was not a man (at the time of this writing).

It does NOT say God became a man (a few minutes later).

It does NOT say Nor a son of man, until a later date.

It doesn’t say God WAS not a man. It says He IS NOT a man, nor a son of man.

 

[The Learner]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

No he had no sin nature. If one claims he did then he would not be a lamb without spot.

 

[The Learner]

Luke 1:35
Good News Translation
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and God's power will rest upon you. For this reason the holy child will be called the Son of God

1 Peter 1:19
but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Google christadelphians Jesus born with sin nature to find more refutations of the Christadelphian view that Jesus was born with a sin nature. It's headquarters is not far from my house --- I deal with them rarely.

 

[The Learner]

Hebrews 7:26
English Standard Version Anglicised
26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.

Hebrews 4:15
English Standard Version Anglicised
15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Did Jesus Have a Sinful Nature as Christadelphianism Teaches? | Redemption of Humanity

 

[The Learner]

"One of the main verses they use to support their erroneous doctrine is Rom. 8:3-4 which says, “For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh.”3 They teach that the “likeness of sinful flesh” means that Jesus had a sinful nature. But it doesn’t. The key to understanding this verse is the word “likeness.” If this word were omitted then the text would say “…sending His own Son in sinful flesh…” If that is what the verse said then the Christadelphians would have a valid argument. But the text says that Jesus came in the “likeness” of sinful flesh, not that He came in sinful flesh. In other words, men are sinners. Jesus appeared as a man. Therefore, Jesus appeared in the likeness of a sinner, though He was not a sinner."
Did Jesus have a sin nature as the Christadelphians teach?

more refutations there on Jesus having a sin nature by the Christadelphians.

 

[The Learner]

Was Jesus/Yeshua born with a Sin Nature?

The fact that one of the books uses the f word in the title should tell you not to trust that Christadelphian.

 

[MatthewG]

The fact that one of the books uses the f word in the title should tell you not to trust that Christadelphian.

Thank you for the warning brother.

 

[The Learner]

Thank you for the warning brother.

Your Welcome Brother, Friend.

 

[The Learner]

Christadelphians also deny that Jesus is God. With groups like that one is best to stick with who and what Jesus did related to Salvation. Don't get side tract on who Satan is or eternal punishment.