WAR IN ISRAEL — PROPHECY

[David in NJ]

Everyone here thinks that about themselves... :)

Grace and peace to you.

True - and yet only some have the Mind of Christ and His Living words.

Why did Jesus say this:

I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”

17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.

18I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.

 

[David in NJ]

Hebrews 1:1-2

• "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
• Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
• Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

In other words, God Himself as the anointing that we have received and that abides in us that we now don't need any man to teach us. Because this same anointing teaches us "the truth" of all things, that we abide in Him (1st John 2:27).

So yes, the prophecy didn't come in the old days by the will of man, it came by the Holy Spirit who moved them. Same as it comes today to every Christian filled with the Holy Ghost so that he doesn't now need any man to teach him. And just like prophets of old spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit as they heard the word of God, so every "true" Christian speaks today as they are moved by the Holy Spirit unto the revelation of God's Holy word. And if it is from God's word directly the Bible, then it is also of no private interpretation. How do we know? Because of the Spirit illustrating that what is said "agrees" with God's word perfectly. i.e., it's unadulterated by man's personal beliefs, thinking, opinions, or private interpretations. Each of us is now obligated to search out what we hear from "alleged ministers" to see if it agrees with the unadulterated word of God. Even as the Bereans did, that God inspired written as our example:

Acts 17:10-12

• "And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
• These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
• Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few."

These were more noble, honest, honorable, so that they didn't just believe the Apostle Paul was telling the truth because of their blind faith in the words of men, they believed because they had the saving faith of God to be moved to actually "check" what Paul said against what God's unadulterated Scriptures said, and by the spirit of grace from God, they believed. They "received" what God said in Scripture rather than continue to blindly follow the Jewish Priests' and leader's ideas like the rest of Israel. "Therefore" many of them were saved.

Sola Scriptura simply means God's word rules supreme over the words of men. Whosoever doesn't believe that, I don't know how they can call themselves Christians (followers of Christ). So I have examined your "opinions" with Scripture and found wanting with proof of Scripture itself - the Word of God.

ALL that you posted here is VERY GOOD and also that which i have been taught by = the Holy Spirit of Truth which only confirms the words of God.

But you stumbled when you said: "So I have examined your "opinions" with Scripture and found wanting with proof of Scripture itself - the Word of God."

Now you must rise up from your stumble and bring forth any such evidence which you claim.

 

[David in NJ]

THE FALL AND RISE OF JERUSALEM
(Book offered in the video below)

Brother, Please give a breakdown of the video for us - thank you.

Where is @Brakelite these days?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Explaining yourself to your audience using metaphors is applicable.

Is JESUS Himself a metaphor?

I just answered WITH Scripture. You don't like what you are hearing so that is between yourself and God. Sounds like you just lack spiritual eyes and ears. Have a good day, David.

 

[TribulationSigns]

ALL that you posted here is VERY GOOD and also that which i have been taught by = the Holy Spirit of Truth which only confirms the words of God.

Thank you! Glad you agreed.

But you stumbled when you said: "So I have examined your "opinions" with Scripture and found wanting with proof of Scripture itself - the Word of God."

Now you must rise up from your stumble and bring forth any such evidence which you claim.

Was my testimony false? I did exactly what the Bearans did. Selah.

 

[PinSeeker]

...only some have the Mind of Christ and His Living words.

Paul exhorts us all to have the mind of Christ, which is to do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. I would reiterate that, but also exhort you to... be careful. :) We all have God's Word. Some reject it, for sure, but it's there for any of us to see.

Grace and peace to you.

Why did Jesus say this:

I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”

Does Jesus look somewhat like, well, this or this?

or

Or this?

Grace and peace to you, David.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Paul exhorts us all to have the mind of Christ, which is to do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. I would reiterate that, but also exhort you to... be careful. :)

Indeed! :-)

Does Jesus look somewhat like, well, this or this?

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Or this?

Grace and peace to you, David.

I am interested to know his answer. :-)

 

[David in NJ]

Paul exhorts us all to have the mind of Christ, which is to do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. I would reiterate that, but also exhort you to... be careful. :) We all have God's Word. Some reject it, for sure, but it's there for any of us to see.

Grace and peace to you.

Does Jesus look somewhat like, well, this or this?

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Or this?

Grace and peace to you, David.

That is the question i am asking you and @TribulationSigns

 

[David in NJ]

Indeed! :)



I am interested to know his answer. :)

Also - every denomination is operating with selfish ambitions when they seek to circumvent Scripture with their own "opinion(s)".

Which is why God said this: Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

AND this: Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

When we exalt God's words above our opinions we seek to establish ABIDING and FELLOWSHIP while we ALL submit to "it is written".

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you! Glad you agreed.



Was my testimony false? I did exactly what the Bearans did. Selah.

Berean Path is GOOD = Amen

For mine and everyone's benefit and clarity - please bring forth any such evidence which you claim in your Post #62

 

[PinSeeker]

That is the question i am asking you and @TribulationSigns

What, whether or not Jesus actually looks like tree roots or an olive vine or a star? I say no... :) Which should say a lot more than that to you, but alas... :)

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

Also - every denomination is operating with selfish ambitions when they seek to circumvent Scripture with their own "opinion(s)".

I would disagree with regard to selfish ambitions and circumventing Scripture. I mean, we're all sinners, for sure, but those who truly seek to circumvent Scripture are what we refer to collectively as... unbelievers. :) And cultists. :) I would hope everyone here is truly seeking after God and the knowledge thereof; I know I am. I am a... pin seeker. :) I seek the Pin with every shot I hit. :)

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

AND this: Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I would exhort us all to remember these Scriptures. Funny how, in so many cases, the exact same accusations are leveled from and to both "camps" in these conversations...

When we exalt God's words...

We all do. :) "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4).

Grace and peace to you, David.

 

[TribulationSigns]

That is the question i am asking you and @TribulationSigns

No. Initially, you asked me if Jesus was a metaphor. However, we know that Jesus is a real entity. I answered your question by providing a Scripture that explains how Jesus often used himself as a metaphor for those who have spiritual ears to hear. That is the essential point here! You did not like the answer and got emotional over someone who examined your opinions with Scripture and found them wanting.

 

[David in NJ]

I would disagree with regard to selfish ambitions and circumventing Scripture. I mean, we're all sinners, for sure, but those who truly seek to circumvent Scripture are what we refer to collectively as... unbelievers. :) And cultists. :) I would hope everyone here is truly seeking after God and the knowledge thereof; I know I am. I am a... pin seeker. :) I seek the Pin with every shot I hit. :)


I would exhort us all to remember these Scriptures. Funny how, in so many cases, the exact same accusations are leveled from and to both "camps" in these conversations...


We all do. :) "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4; Luke 4:4).

Grace and peace to you, David.

Anyone can quote scripture = satan tried it with JESUS = Matthew 4:1-11

Even christians do the same when they seek their own desires.

So what do we do here?
Do we jiber-jabber with scripture or do we elevate scripture so that it speaks freely into our hearts?

 

[David in NJ]

No. Initially, you asked me if Jesus was a metaphor. However, we know that Jesus is a real entity. I answered your question by providing a Scripture that explains how Jesus often used himself as a metaphor for those who have spiritual ears to hear. That is the essential point here! You did not like the answer and got emotional over someone who examined your opinions with Scripture and found them wanting.

I had no problem with your answer = as i know that the WORD uses metaphors for our sake, that we may understand.

It was pertinent that i strictly asked you if JESUS Himself was a metaphor since there are some who believe this.

 

[Zao is life]

Correct - There are things(prophecy) shown us AND there are things past/current that MUST be fulfilled BEFORE certain future prophecies can take Place.

This is where 'amellinialism' fails the required protocol of allowing scripture to dictate the Order versus religious estimations, otherwise know as scrambled eggs, instead of 'sunny-side UP'.

Yeah. Not something I would want to debate in a hurry again with any Amillennialist. T-shirt's old. But the times I did debate it proved to me just how much of scripture gets interpreted in such a way that it ensures the interpretation of it conforms with Amil. "It doesn't mean this, it means this".

 

[PinSeeker]

Anyone can quote scripture = satan tried it with JESUS = Matthew 4:1-11

Sure.

Even christians do the same when they seek their own desires.

Sure. I mean, I... hope that's not happening here... but sure.

...'amellinialism' fails the required protocol of allowing scripture to dictate the Order versus religious estimations, otherwise know as scrambled eggs, instead of 'sunny-side UP'.

You said this to someone else, David, but rest assured that amillennial folks ~ good ones, anyway :) ~ would say this very thing with regard to the pre-millennial view.

So what do we do here? Do we jiber-jabber with scripture or do we elevate scripture so that it speaks freely into our hearts?

Hmmmm... Well, Scripture certainly speaks in and through His inerrant and infallible Word (2 Timothy 3)... through the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit, Who brings to mind all that He has said (John 14), for sure. However... it may or may not fall on... good soil (Mark 4; Luke 8); the Spirit may ~ or may not ~ speak to the hearer personally when it is heard (according to the will of the Father). Beyond that, though, if you want to have a person-to-person conversation with me about these things, then I'm certainly game.

Grace and peace to you, David.

 

[David in NJ]

Sure.


Sure. I mean, I... hope that's not happening here... but sure.


You said this to someone else, David, but rest assured that amillennial folks ~ good ones, anyway :) ~ would say this very thing with regard to the pre-millennial view.


Hmmmm... Well, Scripture certainly speaks in and through His inerrant and infallible Word (2 Timothy 3)... through the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit, Who brings to mind all that He has said (John 14), for sure. However... it may or may not fall on... good soil (Mark 4; Luke 8); the Spirit may ~ or may not ~ speak to the hearer personally when it is heard (according to the will of the Father). Beyond that, though, if you want to have a person-to-person conversation with me about these things, then I'm certainly game.

Grace and peace to you, David.

Thus the essential need to "believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God".

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah. Not something I would want to debate in a hurry again with any Amillennialist. T-shirt's old. But the times I did debate it proved to me just how much of scripture gets interpreted in such a way that it ensures the interpretation of it conforms with Amil. "It doesn't mean this, it means this".

YEP

If you don't like the literal meaning of a certain scripture passage = just call it a metaphor and interpret away.......

 

[PinSeeker]

Thus the essential need to "believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God".

I hope you're not insinuating that I don't, David. You may remember Jesus's exhortation/reprimand to/of Peter:

"What God has made clean, do not call common." [Acts 10:15]​

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You believe that, right? :) Yes, the immediate context there is regarding certain foods, but it applies to all those whom God has made clean, "vessels made for noble use," as Paul puts it in Romans 9, or "we (who) are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works," as Paul puts it in Ephesians 2. And so surely, that exhortation/reprimand to Peter in Acts 10 goes for all of us as believers, you believe that, right? :) Maybe not...

If you don't like the literal meaning of a certain scripture passage = just call it a metaphor and interpret away.......

I'm wide open to conversation, as I said, David, but this kind of (fill in the blank here...) ~ :) ~ very often makes good conversation with pre-trib folks very hard, if not impossible. :) But hey, if you want to give it a go, let's do it.

Psssst. A metaphor is quite different, generally speaking, than a symbol...

Grace and peace to you.