tailgator
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Yes I answered your question of blind one.
Jesus is the Messiah
Ask Jesus to open your eyes so you might see the answer
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Yes I answered your question of blind one.
Jesus is the Messiah
Ask Jesus to open your eyes so you might see the answer
Wrangler
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tailgator
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You may not have noticed it yet but even as a relative new arrival I know there are closet anti-Semites here.
tailgator
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There seems to be a misconception that people who do not worship the beast are antisemite.
Then again ,there are some on this board who believe Jesus is only Messiah of Jews and not of all.
You'll have to clarify that remark a little more.
If you were study Scripture you would know of the Messiah prophecy.
tailgator
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I've studied scripture of Messiah.Christ.
Jesus is not just the saviour of Jews,he is saviour of all who are saved.He died for the sins of the world.Not just for Jews but for gentiles as well.
The only place I've seen Jesus called the Jewish Messiah is in the Quran.So I do not refer to him as the Jewish messiah as In the Quran but simply as the Messiah .Jesus the Christ,the son of God.Israel.
Muslims call Jesus the Jewish Messiah.
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quietthinker
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The phenomena (if I can call it that) of delusion is locking onto an idea which steers one reality shaping thoughts, feelings and behaviour. Truth is similar in this respect; lock onto it and it will steer your reality.
Isn't this why Jesus says, 'you will recognise them by their fruits'?
The question is, what is the factor which enables the differentiation between what one thinks is truth (delusion) and what truth actually is?
Jesus says 'I am the truth'. I wonder who can hear this? Who has the insight re this statement of Jesus to interpret well, particularly the scriptures?
You miss the point of prophecy in errantly committing Jesus' Jewish heritage.
This is not typical of a Christian. And the Islam excuse doesn't wash either as to why you onit his Jewish heritage because Judaism and Christianity respectively predate Islam.
Isa,as Jesus is known in Islam,is not considered anything more than another messenger or prophet of Allah. Isa is called Messiah though Islam does not teach he is divine. Nor does it teach he is the son of God because the Quran tells Muslims, Allah has no son.
Still waiting for you to elaborate on your remark here:"There seems to be a misconception that people who do not worship the beast are antisemite."
Triumph1300
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This socalled "Christian" president probably has a vision of Casinos
and other businesses that are far removed from Christian Principles.
Anyone who visited the Riviera (I have) knows what that is all about,
organized crime, prostitution, etc. etc
Please read these two lines:
Wrangler
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No one said that at CyB. The question is, is Jesus the JEWISH Messiah, meaning the Messiah the Jews prophesied about?
John 4:22
for salvation is from the Jews.
tailgator
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False.Salvation is of the Jews.Not from the Jews as you claim.
Salvation is from God.
John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Romans 2;28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Falsity is believing in grace gospel mystery.
Whereas Jesus,the Jewish Messiah,preached the Gospel of the Kingdom. It is that which saves l God leads to His Son.
Wrangler
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We agree that salvation is from God, who works through agents: Angels, Israel, Judah, and his chosen servant, the Lord Jesus.
As I claim? I made no claim; just quoted Scripture.
Ziggy
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I think it would be awesome for the land to be repaired by those nations which surround it. Like Egypt and Jordan and SA.
So this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to say America is going to fix this because only America can.
Then the nations surrounding Gaza will say, what the hell are you talking about? We are able to do it ourselves.
Deal.
Imagine if the nations of the middle east all came together and devised a plan to make Gaza habitable for all the people to partake of.
Who would cast the first stone seeing all have contributed to it's new beginning?
If US has a presence there then surely Israel wouldn't attack it, and neither would the presence of the US allow it to attack Israel.
US would only be the peacekeeper between the nations.
Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.
God don't want anyone to suffer. All humanity is God's creation. And God's ways are higher than are ways.
Let the restoration begin!
Peace on earth, good will towards all mankind.
Open up your heart and let the sun shine in.
You all need to read The Art of the Deal.
And at some point division will have to find unity and hate will have to find love.
Let's give peace a chance shall we?
You'll remember me when the west wind blows...
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So this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to say America is going to fix this because only America can.
Then the nations surrounding Gaza will say, what the hell are you talking about? We are able to do it ourselves.
Deal.
Imagine if the nations of the middle east all came together and devised a plan to make Gaza habitable for all the people to partake of.
Who would cast the first stone seeing all have contributed to it's new beginning?
If US has a presence there then surely Israel wouldn't attack it, and neither would the presence of the US allow it to attack Israel.
US would only be the peacekeeper between the nations.
Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.
God don't want anyone to suffer. All humanity is God's creation. And God's ways are higher than are ways.
Let the restoration begin!
Peace on earth, good will towards all mankind.
Open up your heart and let the sun shine in.
You all need to read The Art of the Deal.
And at some point division will have to find unity and hate will have to find love.
Let's give peace a chance shall we?
You'll remember me when the west wind blows...
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Firstly; thanks for commenting on the subject of the OP.
The rest of the posts on this thread are similar; I imagine, to the babble in a mental asylum.
But no one seems to have an interest for what God has said He will do.
Here is a reminder of what God has told His Prophets, of what will happen:
Isaiah 42:13-15 Long have I restrained Myself, I kept silent and held Myself in check, but now I groan like a woman in labour. I will make a great noise and devastate the earth. I will go forth in fury, as a soldier in the heat of battle, I shall burn the trees and pastures and make the holy Land a desolate wasteland. Joel 1:15-18
Jeremiah 49:2-5 A time is coming says the Lord, when the cities of Jordan will hear the battle cry: Amman will become a desolate mound and all their towns will be burnt to ashes. Do not boast of your strength, for I will bring terror on you from all sides , you will be driven headlong. Amos 1:13-15, Ezekiel 21:28-32
Jeremiah 49:17-18 The lands of Edom/Esau will become burnt and desolate, a destruction like that of Sodom will strike them. Isaiah 25:1-3, Amos 1:11-12
Jeremiah 49:23-27 In Syria, they have heard of the coming disaster, they run about in terror, pains like childbirth grip them. A fire will devour their cities and their military men will lie still in death on that Day. Amos 1:3-5
Isaiah 17:1 Damascus will cease to be a city, she will be reduced to a heap of ruins, forever desolated.... Amos 1:3-4
Jeremiah 49:34-37 I shall break the bow of Elam [Iran], I shall destroy the chief weapon of their might. I will scatter them to the four winds, My fierce anger and fiery wrath will make an end of them. Ezekiel 32:24-25
None of these plainly stated prophesies have happened yet. They will be literally fulfilled by:
Isaiah 13:6-8 Wail: for the Day of the Lord is at hand, a great devastation from the Almighty! Because of it, every hand will hang limp, courage will melt away. Fear and terror will come on people, agonizing pangs will grip them, like a woman in labour. Jeremiah 6:24, Ezekiel 7:17
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty, His arm will descend in His fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid cloudbursts and storm winds. Isaiah 30:26a tells us exactly what the Lord will use.
Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will fall and lie like dung in the fields, no one will gather them.
Isaiah 37:26 Have you not heard? Long ago I planned it and now I bring it about. Your great cities have crashed into heaps of rubble.
For now; the best advice is:
Hebrews 10:25-27 Keep up your fellowship and encourage one another, as we see the Day of the Lord drawing near. For if we deliberately persist in sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, then there can be no further atonement and there remains only a terrifying expectation of the fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.
Surely, we CAN see that the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath against the nations is drawing near. His Judgement/punishment by fire; Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +
Is there any other possible and workable solution between Israel and the Islamic peoples? Populations keep increasing; resources keep diminishing, humans cannot resolve this situation, we need God to do it.
Look forward to the Day of the Lord’s wrath and pray to hasten it on.... 2 Peter 3:12
Ziggy
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Do you think Gaza has suffered enough? Do you think Israel should live in perpetual war and fear with it's neighbors?
When is enough enough?
Are there no prophecies concerning a time of healing and a time of returning to the Lord?
Are we so righteous in and of ourselves that we can not see God's compassion on others?
Maybe you are still waiting for the beginning of God's vengeance and wrath, but from where I stand I see it differently.
I see the battle is almost over friend and the days of restoration and peace are at hand. If we let it.
Jesus said that the prophets and the law were until John the baptist and from that time on the kingdom of God is preached and we have man pressing into it and others who are trying to take it by force.
Luk 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Mat 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
For the last 2000 years we have been forcing the old prophecies of God's violence and wrath upon the world.
But Jesus came so we could have peace and have it more abundantly.
Don't you think it's time to turn our swords into plowshares and begin to plant roots in peace instead of destruction?
Isa 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Phl 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phl 2:11
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Do we beat them into submission or do we reach out with love and mercy?
Can the world be restored to God which made it?
I believe we are witnessing the greatest restoration that mankind will ever see.
I don't wish for the middle east to end up looking like sodom and gomorrah. I would much prefer it to look like the garden of eden.
And I believe God has put us here at this time and in this place with the tools that are needed to fix the breach.
I find it interesting that the three major religions in the world, Judaism, Christianity, and Muslim all believe in the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The problem isn't who their God is, it's the messenger God sent with his word.
Moses, Jesus, and Mohamed.
1Jo 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
So what is it that divides them? Different sets of laws which men have made for themselves to serve under.
Lev 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Gal 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The only way that that is going to happen is to remove the hate that people hold against each other.
And if the peoples come together to build something they can all share commonly and in peace, I believe you will see God's hand in every aspect of it.
There is a time for mending and a time for peace. The days of rending and war are coming to a close.
We all agree in the One true God, we should begin to act like it.
Let's put Satan back in the pit he crawled out of.
I have hope
Hugs
When is enough enough?
Are there no prophecies concerning a time of healing and a time of returning to the Lord?
Are we so righteous in and of ourselves that we can not see God's compassion on others?
Maybe you are still waiting for the beginning of God's vengeance and wrath, but from where I stand I see it differently.
I see the battle is almost over friend and the days of restoration and peace are at hand. If we let it.
Jesus said that the prophets and the law were until John the baptist and from that time on the kingdom of God is preached and we have man pressing into it and others who are trying to take it by force.
Luk 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Mat 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
For the last 2000 years we have been forcing the old prophecies of God's violence and wrath upon the world.
But Jesus came so we could have peace and have it more abundantly.
Don't you think it's time to turn our swords into plowshares and begin to plant roots in peace instead of destruction?
I believe there is, but you can't tell them, you have to show them.
Isa 45:23
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Phl 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phl 2:11
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Do we beat them into submission or do we reach out with love and mercy?
Can the world be restored to God which made it?
I believe we are witnessing the greatest restoration that mankind will ever see.
I don't wish for the middle east to end up looking like sodom and gomorrah. I would much prefer it to look like the garden of eden.
And I believe God has put us here at this time and in this place with the tools that are needed to fix the breach.
I find it interesting that the three major religions in the world, Judaism, Christianity, and Muslim all believe in the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The problem isn't who their God is, it's the messenger God sent with his word.
Moses, Jesus, and Mohamed.
1Jo 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
So what is it that divides them? Different sets of laws which men have made for themselves to serve under.
Lev 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Gal 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The only way that that is going to happen is to remove the hate that people hold against each other.
And if the peoples come together to build something they can all share commonly and in peace, I believe you will see God's hand in every aspect of it.
There is a time for mending and a time for peace. The days of rending and war are coming to a close.
We all agree in the One true God, we should begin to act like it.
Let's put Satan back in the pit he crawled out of.
I have hope
Hugs
There's an old saying. You know you've created God in your own image and likeness when he hates all the same people you do.
It should shock the conscience of every actual Christian when they encounter those who cite scripture as their proxy so to say,they look forward to the day God destroys all the people they hate.
It should shock the conscience of every actual Christian when they encounter those who cite scripture as their proxy so to say,they look forward to the day God destroys all the people they hate.
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RELOCATION OF THE PALISTINIANS:
Although Trump is confident that Egypt and Jordan will bow to his demands, history suggests otherwise. For both countries, absorbing Palestinian refugees has always been a red line. Despite their reliance on US aid and military support – leverage that Trump could exploit – Egypt, Jordan, and three other Arab states have outright rejected the idea of taking in Gazans.
Arab nations have a long history of abandoning Palestinians in their most desperate moments. After losing the West Bank and Gaza to Israel in the 1967 war, they largely washed their hands of responsibility. More recently, in October 2023, when Israel waged war against Hamas, not a single neighboring Arab country granted refuge to fleeing Gazans. Yet the world continues to place sole responsibility for the Palestinian refugee crisis on Israel, while ignoring Egypt and Jordan's role.
Palestinians who wish to escape war-torn Gaza and build better lives for themselves should be allowed to do so – and Egypt and Jordan have a responsibility to facilitate that. After all, both countries once ruled over Palestinian territories and violently suppressed Palestinian nationalism.
During Jordan's occupation of the West Bank (1948–1967), Palestinian political parties were banned, activists were arrested, and any expression of Palestinian self-determination was crushed. In 1960, King Hussein dissolved the Palestinian-dominated West Bank legislature and censored the media to prevent nationalist sentiment from taking hold. The Hashemite Kingdom operated under the belief that Palestinians and Jordanians were one people, which is why it lives in perpetual fear that an influx of hundreds of thousands more Palestinians would destabilize the country.
Egypt, for its part, never wanted a Palestinian state that could threaten its national security. When it controlled Gaza, it imposed restrictions on the local population and prevented any move toward sovereignty. After Hamas took over the Strip, Egypt reinforced its blockade on Gaza, proving that its concerns have never been about Palestinian liberation – only its own interests.
For too long, Egypt and Jordan have played a significant role in Palestinian suffering while escaping accountability. It is time for the international community to hold them responsible and pressure them to play a real role in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
While Egypt and Jordan claim to champion the Palestinian cause, their actions tell a different story. The plight of the Palestinians has been weaponized as a political tool against Israel rather than addressed in a meaningful way.
Recently, the foreign ministers of Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE – along with a Palestinian official – sent a letter to US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, rejecting the transfer of Gazans and instead urging the Trump administration to support a two-state solution. The problem, however, is that based on current polling, Palestinians in Gaza have no interest in peace or a two-state solution. Their goal remains the destruction of Israel. We all know what "From the river to the sea" truly means. Rewarding their actions with statehood would be appeasement for jihadists.
Forced displacement is not the answer, but neither is clinging to failed diplomatic strategies while holding only Israel accountable for solving the Palestinian refugee crisis. Israel Hayom. Feb 2025
Now, we await Gods solution to this problem.
2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, that Day will set the sky ablaze and will melt the elements in fervent heat.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.
Jeremiah 4:26 The fertile land becomes a wilderness before the fierce anger of the Lord.
Isaiah 42:15 I shall lay waste to all the land and dry up the rivers and lakes.
Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the land a waste because they have broken faith.
Joel 1:11 & 19-20 Despair you farmers for your harvest is lost, the ground is dry and scorched. To You, Lord I cry out for fire has consumed the pastures and trees of the land.
Jeremiah 9:10-12 ......the land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. The Land is a dead place, burned and laid waste.
Although Trump is confident that Egypt and Jordan will bow to his demands, history suggests otherwise. For both countries, absorbing Palestinian refugees has always been a red line. Despite their reliance on US aid and military support – leverage that Trump could exploit – Egypt, Jordan, and three other Arab states have outright rejected the idea of taking in Gazans.
Arab nations have a long history of abandoning Palestinians in their most desperate moments. After losing the West Bank and Gaza to Israel in the 1967 war, they largely washed their hands of responsibility. More recently, in October 2023, when Israel waged war against Hamas, not a single neighboring Arab country granted refuge to fleeing Gazans. Yet the world continues to place sole responsibility for the Palestinian refugee crisis on Israel, while ignoring Egypt and Jordan's role.
Palestinians who wish to escape war-torn Gaza and build better lives for themselves should be allowed to do so – and Egypt and Jordan have a responsibility to facilitate that. After all, both countries once ruled over Palestinian territories and violently suppressed Palestinian nationalism.
During Jordan's occupation of the West Bank (1948–1967), Palestinian political parties were banned, activists were arrested, and any expression of Palestinian self-determination was crushed. In 1960, King Hussein dissolved the Palestinian-dominated West Bank legislature and censored the media to prevent nationalist sentiment from taking hold. The Hashemite Kingdom operated under the belief that Palestinians and Jordanians were one people, which is why it lives in perpetual fear that an influx of hundreds of thousands more Palestinians would destabilize the country.
Egypt, for its part, never wanted a Palestinian state that could threaten its national security. When it controlled Gaza, it imposed restrictions on the local population and prevented any move toward sovereignty. After Hamas took over the Strip, Egypt reinforced its blockade on Gaza, proving that its concerns have never been about Palestinian liberation – only its own interests.
For too long, Egypt and Jordan have played a significant role in Palestinian suffering while escaping accountability. It is time for the international community to hold them responsible and pressure them to play a real role in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
While Egypt and Jordan claim to champion the Palestinian cause, their actions tell a different story. The plight of the Palestinians has been weaponized as a political tool against Israel rather than addressed in a meaningful way.
Recently, the foreign ministers of Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE – along with a Palestinian official – sent a letter to US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, rejecting the transfer of Gazans and instead urging the Trump administration to support a two-state solution. The problem, however, is that based on current polling, Palestinians in Gaza have no interest in peace or a two-state solution. Their goal remains the destruction of Israel. We all know what "From the river to the sea" truly means. Rewarding their actions with statehood would be appeasement for jihadists.
Forced displacement is not the answer, but neither is clinging to failed diplomatic strategies while holding only Israel accountable for solving the Palestinian refugee crisis. Israel Hayom. Feb 2025
Now, we await Gods solution to this problem.
2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, that Day will set the sky ablaze and will melt the elements in fervent heat.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.
Jeremiah 4:26 The fertile land becomes a wilderness before the fierce anger of the Lord.
Isaiah 42:15 I shall lay waste to all the land and dry up the rivers and lakes.
Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the land a waste because they have broken faith.
Joel 1:11 & 19-20 Despair you farmers for your harvest is lost, the ground is dry and scorched. To You, Lord I cry out for fire has consumed the pastures and trees of the land.
Jeremiah 9:10-12 ......the land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. The Land is a dead place, burned and laid waste.
Wrangler
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As long as the Palestinians leave the unlivable Gaza area, establishing a Christian nation in the area, prophecy will be fulfilled, required before the return of the Messiah.
Where they go is secondary. Trump has put us and Israel in a win-win. Neighbors take the Palestinians OR we reduce non-value added foreign aid.
Brilliant.
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