Understanding DOGE (Dept of Gov Efficiency)

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First, there were several such departments to address waste, fraud and abuse in US history, starting with Andrew Jackson. The last one was during the FDR administration. When I first heard that DOGE would have 2 co-chairs, I thought that was a mistake because the Bible says you cannot have 2 masters. In hearing Vivek and Elon talk, here is what I've come to understand.

ELIMINATING ENTIRE DEPARTMENTS

This is Vivek's area of responsibility. This is the big picture. Vivek explained there are departments that were created by executive order and they can be eliminated by executive order.

Two such departments created during the Carter Administration are the Department of Energy and the Department of Education. Energy was created to guide the US toward energy independence. Mission Accomplished. Education was established to benefit from economies of scale when the US was ranked #1 in the world. That we now spend 4x but rank at the bottom of the industrialized world, shows this department has proven itself to be counter-productive.

Other departments will take more analysis to grapple with, such as Housing and Human Services (HHS). It currently has 13 divisions: 10 public health services and 3 human services. Perhaps this can be reduced to only 2 divisions. Most of the federal government is like HHS, bloated beyond all recognition. Vivek's progress may be slowed by having to work with Congress on eliminating some departments.


ELIMINATING ABUSE WITHIN DEPARTMENTS

This is Elon's area of responsibility. This is the details of firing bureaucrats with cause. The analysis will take a lot longer as getting into the weeds always does. Elon is great at this and did it at Twitter very quickly. He fired 80% of Twitter employees in the first 6 months. Let's go over an example.

Suppose a department wants to study models of efficiency at city levels. One guy merely drives to a city that is on the way to the office. The other guy has to go to the other side of the world. One would expect the guy who has to go on the other side of the world to spend more than the guy who merely goes to a nearby town. But how much more? The devil is in the details.

Here is where "normalizing" data comes in to play. It is a fairly complicated process but once achieved, the outliers are obvious. Elon's progress may be slowed by litigation. President Chester A. Arthur signed the Pendleton Civil Service Act into law on January 16, 1883. The legislation was intended to guarantee the rights of all citizens to compete for federal jobs without preferential treatment given based on politics, etc. This protects the Deep State from being fired except with cause. The Deep State will fight this existential threat. (I suspect numerous attempts on Elon's life).

I also suspect Elon will be quiet while Vivek does his thing. Then fire all the remaining corrupt bureaucrats at once with the data to show cause and prevail in litigation. The corrupt Deep State cannot be allowed to survive this administration, thereby returning power to the people. Thoughts?
 

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ELIMINATING ENTIRE DEPARTMENTS


ELIMINATING ABUSE WITHIN DEPARTMENTS


Brief, but a good broad overview of a tangled overreaching government mess.

Presently 450 Federal Agencies.
Presently 2.5 million + on the Federal Employment dole.

Presently the Federal “machine”….IS designed and operating (as a pure democracy / mob rule) …TO:
Take the people’s wealth, keep and distribute per their whims.
Control every aspect of the people’s existence.

* A pure Democracy IS (a majority mob of Rulers.)
* A Republic IS (a few Servants to Protect the Liberty of ALL it’s citizens.)
* The USA IS a Republic modeled after Gods Standards and Principles…
About time the children and adult US citizens AGAIN are taught and learn the TRUTH
MAGA.

Glory to God,
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The largest institution in human history according to Guinness Book of World Records.

Would agree that is accurate…and most assuredly would have the founders shaking their heads….and estimate it has Gods anger beginning to wax hot…

Thankful the Born Again have no fear to speak up against the odds of so many trying to shut them up!!

Glory to God,
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Brief, but a good broad overview of a tangled overreaching government mess.

Presently 450 Federal Agencies.
Presently 2.5 million + on the Federal Employment dole.

Presently the Federal “machine”….IS designed and operating (as a pure democracy / mob rule) …TO:
Take the people’s wealth, keep and distribute per their whims.
Control every aspect of the people’s existence.

* A pure Democracy IS (a majority mob of Rulers.)
* A Republic IS (a few Servants to Protect the Liberty of ALL it’s citizens.)
* The USA IS a Republic modeled after Gods Standards and Principles…
About time the children and adult US citizens AGAIN are taught and learn the TRUTH
MAGA.

Glory to God,
Taken
Socialist Cultral Marxist works to empower the trash. When the Trash run out of other peoples money what then ?
Socialist create a lay about people who claime to be entitaled and seek so as too enslave other people to their standards.

A healthy Democracy needs a healthy well informed truly educated people to function be it a Kingdom or Republic Government under Christ Jesus as it's Head.

Nations that are under Political Correct gods are a curse on everyone.
Take the Nazis and Communist Nations were all dominated by Political Correctness in fact ! that's how they dominated over every one in fact, that's the Key to dominate, sadly the majority do not understand what the foundations of Political Correctness truly is ! We have this idiot monster on out doorstep and the majority do not truly understand what it truly is in fact ! Why was the people not educated on this issue ! or have they forgotten how Hitler got such Power in the Republic and Communism took root and totaly dominated over everyones lives in their Republic's.
You can not have freedom of speach in a Political Correct Nation, for you are owned like a slave to the PC gods they peddle ! They never promote Christ Jesus in fact ! and they are a church or a religion and that is a Political and Correct marriage ? one great big fat lie full of deceptions and delusions to be sure to be sure.

Political and Truth do not mix ! it's an oxymoron ?
 
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