Understanding Divine Prosperity

[emekrus]

For some years now, I have been hearing messages on kingdom prosperity. I have heard and have been practicing what I hear, with humongous results to show. But recently, as I was reading the book of the prophet Joel, God gave me a very striking revelation concerning his prosperity agenda for his Church.

As I read that very book of Joel chapter 2, God revealed to me in an unusual way, that outrageous prosperity, is one of the signs of the end time- before the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

From that scripture, it can be seen that amidst the outpouring of the Spirit of God, is also the outpouring of abundant material wealth: as can be seen from verses 23-26 of that Joel Chapter 2. It says…

“Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. And the floors shall be full of wheat and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.”

And to enjoy this bountifulness of God’s supply, of course you have to play your part. By giving, by paying all your tithes and offering regularly. And ultimately, serving the Lord committedly and whole-heartedly…

Failure to do all these, you may never part-take of these end time blessings that God have destined for his Church. Why so? Because God operates on covenant terms.

In Exodus 23:25, the word of God says, you shall serve, and he will bless. So if you do not play your own part by serving, God will not be committed to playing his part as well. But on the other hand, after playing your part initially, and God blesses you…

How Then Does God Want Us to Spend The Blessings?

Does God want us to spend our financial or material blessings only on our selfish desires? Is it for self-aggrandizement? Is it only for our family members? Is it for accumulation and material extravagance? The answer to all of that is, no. And these are the areas so many Christian believers are missing it.

The blessings God gives you, is a responsibility to you. You’re to spend it according to his will. And finally, on the last day, you will give account of it. The ignorance of this very fact have become the bane of so many believers today. And if they are not careful, many of them are not able to sustain the blessings; and worse still, it may even land many of them in Hell.

God blesses us to abound unto every good work. According to 2 Corinthians 9: 8-9, which says;
“And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work. As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth forever.”

So God’s end time prosperity agenda is not for accumulation or self-aggrandizement. But rather, for us to abound unto every good works. Good works like: Investing into Evangelism, Church building and expansion; Giving to the less privileged- both in Church and outside the Church. Giving to charity.

In short, the good works are innumerable. Nevertheless, we must also give to ourselves and families, but we should give more outside, than on ourselves…

Why These Frivolities?

What’s the point as a believer, in having fleets of cars, when there are allots of people to be reached out to. One car is enough; or may be two, in case you have a large family. If you want a new brand, or just want a change, sell the one you have, and add money to it and get the new brand.

The remaining abundance you have, use it for the good works the scriptures talk about. So that your treasures can be in heaven as Jesus said. And your eyes also can be focused on heaven; and how you can make it there on the last day…
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Because our Lord Jesus says in the book of Matthew 6: 19-21; “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through or steal: for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

Now for you to part-take in this end-time divine wealth, you must first of all, give your heart to the Lord Jesus. Because according the scripture in 2 Corinthians 8:5, the Macedonian Church which the Apostle Paul is using for our example, first gave their selves to the Lord. So if you want to be a part-taker of this end-time humongous, prosperity of the Church…

You Must Be Born Again

If you want to accept The Lord Jesus as your Lord and personal savior or to rededicate yourself to God, place your right hand on your chest and say out this prayer…

Lord Jesus, today, I repent of my sins. I accept you into my heart as my Lord and personal savior. Wash me with your precious blood, you shared for me on the cross of Calvary. And write my name in the Lamb’s book of life. Thank you father for saving me in Jesus Name. Amen!

If you said that prayer, I pray for you right now from my heart, that you receive the power of God to get wealth in the Jesus Name! I pray also that you receive the grace to abound unto every good works with your wealth in Jesus Name! Your wealth will not lead you to hell, but rather to heaven in the mighty name of Jesus Christ!

Remain Blessed!

 

[pom2014]

A prosperity gospel?

No thanks I'll leave the riches for the kingdom and not this world where I have to leave it when I give up the ghost.

Mammon and the faith do not go together unless you're a Levite.

 

[DogLady19]

Now for you to part-take in this end-time divine wealth, you must first of all, give your heart to the Lord Jesus. Because according the scripture in 2 Corinthians 8:5, the Macedonian Church which the Apostle Paul is using for our example, first gave their selves to the Lord. So if you want to be a part-taker of this end-time humongous, prosperity of the Church…

So, does this mean that Christians who live in persistent poverty have not given themselves fully to the Lord???

Is "prosperity of the church" mean loads of money? In 3 John 1:2, "I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers," the word "prosper" does not have a financial connotation, but means for their search for the truth, their walk with God, to be successful.

In 2 Corinthians 8, the Macedonian church endured serious poverty... they were made rich in their grace, love, diligence and faith... no money is mentioned in this passage. God's blessing on this church was that they would have enough, not "prosperity"... Paul even quoted Exodus 16:18 to them as a comfort in their poverty. "He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack."

We also have to be careful not to take scriptures that are descriptive and make the prescriptive, which is what I think most of these prosperity doctrines tend to do.

 

[River Jordan]

Hmmm....who said this?

Don’t store up treasures here on earth, where moths eat them and rust destroys them, and where thieves break in and steal. Store your treasures in heaven, where moths and rust cannot destroy, and thieves do not break in and steal. Wherever your treasure is, there the desires of your heart will also be.

Oh yeah.... B)

 

[pom2014]

The prosperity gospel is as evil as the churches being behind carnal war.

 

[emekrus]

Now who among you, is not spending money right now, to spread the gospel online?
Who among you, can honestly claim, never to have prayed for money before? You know folks, one of the greatest sin in Christendom from ages till now, is pretense.
People denying something openly and embracing it secretly. If you read my revelation very well, I said God is providing abundantly, but it is not for accumulation. The treasure you are to lay in heaven, where will you get it from? Is it not here? God is supplying the abundance for the spreading of the Gospel. And for abounding unto all good works of Love.

 

[pom2014]

No God is giving what you need not what you want.

He's not a jinn that grants your wishes, not a vending machine that you insert prayer into and get what you want out after having pressed d12.

You're desire for riches here and in the kingdom is the yoking of mammon, unrighteous, and God, righteous.

Don't fall into The Ditch.

 

[FHII]

Emekrus, I am standing with you, if I understand you correctly and you are sincere..

The problem with "prosperity gospel" is the idea that if you give, God will give back several fold. There's actually scripture to back that up. The problem is that if that's why you ate giving, its not giving. It's investing. You aren't doing it because you love God or one of his servants taught you (two genuine reasons to give), but rather out of wanting a return.

I think you agree with me on that, but if I'm wrong, please let me know.

Yes, the gospel must be preached and it takes money. That's what preachers do with the money. They are even by the bible allowed to live on it.

 

[emekrus]

Now folks, let's be honest with ourselves here. Is it true, God does not give to his Children what they want? Are the scriptures broken that says,' hitherto, you've asked nothing in my name, now ask and receive that your joy might be full' . And again, the bible says, " If you ask anything in my name I'll do it'. So why will someone want to out of unscriptural zeal say that God does not give to his Children all they want.

And you know what folks, these individuals that kick against prosperity, still work for unbelievers with unrighteous wealth. They still go begging the people that believe in prosperity when they are broke. And when they do not give them for one reason or the other, they start lambasting. If you beleive divine wealth is against righteousness, then my question is, why ask the blessed, when you are pressed?

Let's repent from self-righteousness, it won't give us the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God can only be gotten through the Law of Christ. Which is the Law of Love. Which is the Law of Faith. Which is the righteousness that is scritpurally, and Holy Spirit Driven. And I for one, am a great preacher of that gospel. The Gospel, of the righteousness of Faith.

Please accept this from a heart of Love, and not out of strife. I love you.

 

[pom2014]

So whatever I want I can ask God and he'll give it?

WHATEVER?

Even if it is not good for me?
Or others?

See this is where the abuse comes in. Man asks things he wants that he THINKS is good for him. That's prosperous, but he never thinks it might cause unforseen repercussion.

So rather why don't you say God I'm blessed for all you give me and that is ENOUGH. For YOU know better than I what I need that will lead me forward in righteous service of you.

He's not our servant to do our bidding. We are his. We serve him, he gives such livery that allows us to do our work.

Please don't fall for the trap that we know better than God.

 

[DogLady19]

Now folks, let's be honest with ourselves here. Is it true, God does not give to his Children what they want? Are the scriptures broken that says,' hitherto, you've asked nothing in my name, now ask and receive that your joy might be full' . And again, the bible says, " If you ask anything in my name I'll do it'. So why will someone want to out of unscriptural zeal say that God does not give to his Children all they want.

And you know what folks, these individuals that kick against prosperity, still work for unbelievers with unrighteous wealth. They still go begging the people that believe in prosperity when they are broke. And when they do not give them for one reason or the other, they start lambasting. If you beleive divine wealth is against righteousness, then my question is, why ask the blessed, when you are pressed?

Let's repent from self-righteousness, it won't give us the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God can only be gotten through the Law of Christ. Which is the Law of Love. Which is the Law of Faith. Which is the righteousness that is scritpurally, and Holy Spirit Driven. And I for one, am a great preacher of that gospel. The Gospel, of the righteousness of Faith.

Please accept this from a heart of Love, and not out of strife. I love you.

First, let's start with the term "in My name"... Those aren't magic words that you use to get the genie to grant your wish. The term means that you are asking for something and signing God's name to the request, like signing for a cash withdrawal at your dad's bank because you have the authority to do so. But if you ask for something in Jesus' name, and God doesn't have it in the account for you, then you ask wrongly and will not get what you ask for.

"When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures." -James 4:3

Next, you assume that monetary wealth is always a blessing, but Jesus made it clear that giving it away is the blessing, not the accumulation of wealth. In Matthew 19, Jesus told the rich man to sell everything and give it to the poor if he wanted to be completely in God's will. And the blessed are exactly who we should press when we are poor. They are expected to give it away, and that generosity is the blessing, not the money.

Now who among you, is not spending money right now, to spread the gospel online?
Who among you, can honestly claim, never to have prayed for money before? You know folks, one of the greatest sin in Christendom from ages till now, is pretense.
People denying something openly and embracing it secretly. If you read my revelation very well, I said God is providing abundantly, but it is not for accumulation. The treasure you are to lay in heaven, where will you get it from? Is it not here? God is supplying the abundance for the spreading of the Gospel. And for abounding unto all good works of Love.

I have never prayed for money. I have prayed several times about my bills, and ask God to meet my needs. He can do that anyway he wishes. I have prayed that the soup kitchen gets funding or that a dying child in my family gets the medical care he needs to save his life... But God can meet those needs anyway He wants to.

My "abundance" comes from a closer relationship with Him and feeding His sheep.

The "treasure" I lay up in Heaven is my heart, my willingness to serve, my obedience to Him.

Matthew 6:20 says: "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal" Obviously "treasures in heaven" does not include money because money can be stolen and destroyed.

Lastly, what do you mean by your "revelation"? This prosperity doctrine has been around since the early 70's. I doubt you were even born when this stuff came out.

 

[emekrus]

Well, folks, I have seen that it's a matter of different point of understanding. In case you don't want to align to God's endtime plan, it is definitely a matter of choice. God does not force anything on anyone. If you think you're better of without the riches, well it is ok. After all, the bible says, if you think your right hand will make you loose eternity, you should cut it off. But as for me and my revelations-I call it my revelation, because, in spite of the fact, that I have been hearing the message for years, I hadn't gotten the personal revelation of it. As I read the particular scripture, which I anchored my sermon on, which is Joel Chapter 2, the Holy Spirit, opened my Spiritual eyes to see God's endtime prosperity plans.

And as such, since, I have the strong conviction of it in my spirit, I'm not going to allow any form of unbelieve, to put me off God's will and plan.

Anyway, folks, as I said before, it is a choice. You can still live in abject Financial poverty, and still make heaven. And at the same time, I still believe if I walk with the Holy Spirit in his end-time prosperity plan, I'll still get there. As a matter of fact, I believe I'm already there by the grace of God through faith. Not that I may be there, I believe I'm there already.

Remain Blessed!

 

[pom2014]

So its either poverty or opulence?

No middle ground?

Sounds like to you're compensating for a background of childhood poverty and you've gone the radical other side of the equation to make up for the lack you had.

Pull it back. I lived in poverty as well as a child. I realised the difference between need and want. Wants are never, ever satisfied. Needs are.

Dump your acquistion of wealth mindset and instead embrace having that which is sufficient. Because what treasure is of this world remains here and that excess leads to stumbles.

 

[DogLady19]

In case you don't want to align to God's endtime plan...

LOL!

Well, in case you want to align to a false doctrine...!

The least you could do is knock down all the scriptures everyone has shared with you to refute this prosperity doctrine... but you are just giving up more of your *ahem* sales pitch!

Come on, challenge our understanding of the scriptures we've shared with you... Anyone can just talk... But the Bible says we should count every man a lair... Look at the verses shared with you and then give us the scriptures that refute our understanding of them.

 

[emekrus]

So its either poverty or opulence?

No middle ground?

Sounds like to you're compensating for a background of childhood poverty and you've gone the radical other side of the equation to make up for the lack you had.

Pull it back. I lived in poverty as well as a child. I realised the difference between need and want. Wants are never, ever satisfied. Needs are.

Dump your acquistion of wealth mindset and instead embrace having that which is sufficient. Because what treasure is of this world remains here and that excess leads to stumbles.


My dear, stumbling is a personal affair. Abraham was very reach in all things he didn't fall. Job was a the richest man in the east, yet he didn't stumble.
Joseph Contrlled the wealth of a nation, yet he didn't stumble. And Isaac also. If all these holy men of the scriptures did not stumble through wealth, I'm sanguine I'll not stumble.

Only Beleive!

LOL!

Well, in case you want to align to a false doctrine...!

The least you could do is knock down all the scriptures everyone has shared with you to refute this prosperity doctrine... but you are just giving up more of your *ahem* sales pitch!

Come on, challenge our understanding of the scriptures we've shared with you... Anyone can just talk... But the Bible says we should count every man a lair... Look at the verses shared with you and then give us the scriptures that refute our understanding of them.

LOL!

Well, in case you want to align to a false doctrine...!

The least you could do is knock down all the scriptures everyone has shared with you to refute this prosperity doctrine... but you are just giving up more of your *ahem* sales pitch!

Come on, challenge our understanding of the scriptures we've shared with you... Anyone can just talk... But the Bible says we should count every man a lair... Look at the verses shared with you and then give us the scriptures that refute our understanding of them.


Did you also check the scripture behind my revelation? in case you didn't, it is Joel 2: 23-27. Or you think you are more righteous than God? You think you can break this scripture from fulfilment by your unbelieve? Certainly not.

 

[pom2014]

So you're on par with Abraham, Isaac, Joseph and Job?

Might as well throw Solomon into the mix and make yourself the highest of the high.

I will say you are decidedly rich in ego. That you have in abundance.

 

[emekrus]

My brother, it is not ego, it is Faith. Let's try to walk with God by Faith. Let's expand our Faith for God to use us more for the work of his Kingdom.
Let's not limit or quench the Holy Spirit by our unbelieve.

 

[KingJ]

My brother, it is not ego, it is Faith. Let's try to walk with God by Faith. Let's expand our Faith for God to use us more for the work of his Kingdom.
Let's not limit or quench the Holy Spirit by our unbelieve.

I believe a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago is God, died for all my sins and will keep me with Him for eternal bliss. My faith in God as on par with my faith in gravity........and now you want me to muster up more faith / you assume it takes more faith to believe God (whom I already believe kept the earth in orbit this morning)....can print paper money?

God is NOT to be treated like a vending machine and a Christian has already received a measure of faith much greater then a mustard seed Rom 12:3.

Is "prosperity of the church" mean loads of money? In 3 John 1:2, "I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers," the word "prosper" does not have a financial connotation, but means for their search for the truth, their walk with God, to be successful.

I agree with you but it is always funny to hear prosperity teachers quote this verse. It has nothing to do with God promising blessings. It is John greeting Gaius :).

Well, folks, I have seen that it's a matter of different point of understanding. In case you don't want to align to God's endtime plan,

You are cherry picking scriptures. Aligning ourselves with end time prophecy is to hold fast to the truth when this happens:

Matt 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

You need to read Matt 6:19 in conjunction with whatever scripture you believe teaches that we should pursue prosperity.

Matt 6:19 Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.

Emekrus, I am standing with you, if I understand you correctly and you are sincere..

The problem with "prosperity gospel" is the idea that if you give, God will give back several fold. There's actually scripture to back that up. The problem is that if that's why you ate giving, its not giving. It's investing. You aren't doing it because you love God or one of his servants taught you (two genuine reasons to give), but rather out of wanting a return.

I think you agree with me on that, but if I'm wrong, please let me know.

Yes, the gospel must be preached and it takes money. That's what preachers do with the money. They are even by the bible allowed to live on it.

Preachers must be looked after. A worker is worthy of his wages. But we need to understand that prosperity is not something a pastor must pursue. It is something God and the members will provide.

What is interesting about tithing for me is the ratio. It was 11 tribes supporting 1. Meaning the Levites would receive 110% of the average household income. Not 2000% as happens in some churches ^_^.

Anyway, folks, as I said before, it is a choice. You can still live in abject Financial poverty, and still make heaven. And at the same time, I still believe if I walk with the Holy Spirit in his end-time prosperity plan, I'll still get there. As a matter of fact, I believe I'm already there by the grace of God through faith. Not that I may be there, I believe I'm there already.

What we believe and what is reality are two different things. You said you use money for outreaches. If that is where you heart is that is good. But the rest of your posts seem blurred with pushing self prosperity.

I think prosperity is God's last wish for us. It is hard for a rich man to do God's will. They ask 'what will I do today. What will I buy myself today. Where will I go today'. We are suppsoed to wake and ask what God wants of us today.

A child should not need to pray for needs Matt 6:26. The unsaved need faith that our God will look after them if they come to Him. The faith you push is faith the unsaved need. Please try understand that.

 

[pom2014]

My brother, it is not ego, it is Faith. Let's try to walk with God by Faith. Let's expand our Faith for God to use us more for the work of his Kingdom.
Let's not limit or quench the Holy Spirit by our unbelieve.

To place yourself with the greats of the old testament is ego.

And I notice that you love to quote the old Jewish passages over the ones from our King that warn about riches.

Of course you do that to justify your desire for mammon. But then you're a moneychanger and a supporter of slavery through usury.

 

[DogLady19]

Did you also check the scripture behind my revelation? in case you didn't, it is Joel 2: 23-27. Or you think you are more righteous than God?

I have read Joel 2... I agree with other posters that you are cherry-picking... If one part of Joel is a promise to modern-day believers, then the whole thing is, right?

So, exactly when did the locusts consume everything owned by Christians that God is replacing with wealth? When did Christians stop being put to shame?

This is not a prescriptive piece of scripture, it is descriptive of a prophecy toward Israel.