OK, I got it. No matter what scripture says; you will believe what you want.
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The water baptism Gospel that you are teaching, has left out "All that believe in Jesus shall be saved".
Your false Gospel, is false, Galatians 1:8 because you and your "water cult'.. place Water in the position of redeemer, when in Fact the Cross of Christ and the Blood of Jesus and the Death of Jesus is HOW God deals with a Sinner's SIN, so that once its dealt with, God can then give the BELIEVER< ...........= God's SALVATiON.
Your false Gospel, @Fred J , that is the "cult of the Virgin", heresy... "born again By water"......omits The Cross.....omits The Savior on the Cross, and omits the Truth.
Jesus did not say, He will build His church upon Paul the 'rock', but only to Peter. Circumcision of the heart which is not a physical action, has nothing to do with baptism of the water for the remission of sins, a physical action.
In my scripture quotes from the same book of Acts, Peter in regards baptism, did mention about 'water', to be used and not stop. Even did the 'Eunuch', upon the 'circumcision of his heart' by the word of GOD, whilst Philip did not forbid him.
The NT has someone named "Paul" in it.
You should find out who that is, and what He Teaches, as Jesus chose Him, to show you, the "Gospel".
Eternally Grateful
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No
I believe what scripture actually says, Not your perverted interpretation of said scripture.
I take jesus at his word. WHen he says whoever believes will NEVER PERISH and will live FOREVER (Eternal life) I believe him.
He did not mention baptism for a reason, ITS NOT REQUIRED.. The baptism which saved is performed by God himself. and is achieved at the moment we call out to God
the pharisee when home justified, because he repented and called out to Jesus. He did not get baptized first. because it was not required (I am sure he would have gotten baptized after the fact.. As all believers do. or at least, they should, they would be in sin if they did not.
Show me one verse, Paul said water baptism no longer required?
He himself was water baptized for the remission of sins by Ananias.
No point to continue with your 'twisted' version, for Paul is the 13th Apostle who was not with Lord, when He was with His chosen 12 firsthand eye and ear witnesses.
i honor Paul and his given extended version of the Gospel as one part, but also to combine with the Apostles' in context that make up the New Testament.
Even Paul said, if believers claim to follow certain Apostles, are merely causing a division in the church. But, overall the author and finisher of our faith according to the New Testament 'sound doctrine', is Lord Jesus Christ
Paul said that "Christ sent me not to water baptize".
Now, i showed you one, and i could show you 1000, and its not going to change your mind, as you are under the influence of a cult teaching, that owns your point of View. @Fred J
Eternally Grateful
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Actually He did not say he would build it on Peter either.
He said your Name is peter (Petros - small stone) and on this rock (Petra - Boulder or large stone) I will build my church
Peter is not the foundation stone, Christ is, Peter said, you are the christ, the son of the living God" That is the foundation, that is the "petra" in which the church is built..
Your right, It has everythign to do with baptism of the spirit (a spiritual thing)
Col 2: 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
See. Paul understood what it meant to be born again, And how we are made alive in Christ. it is through faith, the same faith jesus spoke of in John 3. And it is not through water baptism this occurs, it is in the spiritul circumcision, which is through the spiritual baptism performed by the same God that rose Jesus from the dead.
Peter told everyone to repent, and they would recieve the gift of the spirit
He then told those who received remission of sin to be baptized.
This interpretation is complete in the greek. and in accordance with the gospel Jesus taught, Paul taught and all the apostles taught.
Jesus told the disciples to go make disciples.. Then Baptize THEM
He did nto say go find people to baptize. making them disciples
you have it backwards.
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Eternally Grateful
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lol
You have been shown multiple verses in which water baptism is not required.
But continue in belief and try to earn your salvation
we will continue to trust God.. and Christ, our rock in which we stand
Well yes, that would be stupid, but I don't do that. And what is stupid is your thinking I do. Again, you can't read.
Your "ritual" is nothing more and nothing less.
Its a ritual.
Salvation, is not a "ritual", its a REDEMPTION... Its ETERNAL LIFE being given... its "The Gift of Righteousness" being imputed, and its the Forgiveness of Sin, being accomplished.
SEE ONLY = The CROSS OF CHRIST...for ALL of that and even MORE.
Water "ritual" has NO PART in any of that, as water is just water.
Eternally Grateful
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
I find this interesting.
In Mark 1:8 and John 1:33, the Baptist proclaimed that Jesus "will baptize in (the) Holy Spirit"; while in Matthew 3:11 and Luke 3:16, he "will baptize with Holy Spirit and fire". Jesus is considered the first person to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
A Born Again is Born Of The Spirit....whereas the scripture that says we are baptised I don’t think it, means the same as being Born Again , In fact I can’t see how it can mean the same thing.
Will Baptise in the Holy Spirit....Born Again....?
He will Baptise, Jesus already had the divine nature, therefore he was baptised with the Holy Spirit, I can’t make head nor tail of that.
He already had divine power, why did he need to be baptised with the Holy Spirit...
Maybe Got has the answer.
ANSWER
At first glance, it seems that Jesus’ baptism has no purpose at all. John’s baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matthew 3:11), but Jesus was sinless and had no need of repentance. Even John was taken aback at Jesus’ coming to him. John recognized his own sin and was aware that he, a sinful man in need of repentance himself, was unfit to baptize the spotless Lamb of God: “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” (Matthew 3:14). Jesus replied that it should be done because “it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15).
There are several reasons why it was fitting for John to baptize Jesus at the beginning of Jesus’ public ministry. Jesus was about to embark on His great work, and it was appropriate that He be recognized publicly by His forerunner. John was the “voice crying in the wilderness” prophesied by Isaiah, calling people to repentance in preparation for their Messiah (Isaiah 40:3). By baptizing Him, John was declaring to all that here was the One they had been waiting for, the Son of God, the One he had predicted would baptize “with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).
Jesus’ baptism by John takes on an added dimension when we consider that John was of the tribe of Levi and a direct descendant of Aaron. Luke specifies that both of John’s parents were of the Aaronic priestly line (Luke 1:5). One of the duties of the priests in the Old Testament was to present the sacrifices before the Lord. John the Baptist’s baptism of Jesus could be seen as a priestly presentation of the Ultimate Sacrifice. John’s words the day after the baptism have a decidedly priestly air: “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29).
Jesus’ baptism also showed that He identified with sinners. His baptism symbolized the sinners’ baptism into the righteousness of Christ, dying with Him and rising free from sin and able to walk in the newness of life. His perfect righteousness would fulfill all the requirements of the Law for sinners who could never hope to do so on their own. When John hesitated to baptize the sinless Son of God, Jesus replied that it was proper to “fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15). By this He alluded to the righteousness that He provides to all who come to Him to exchange their sin for His righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
In addition, Jesus’ coming to John showed His approval of John’s baptism, bearing witness to it, that it was from heaven and approved by God. This would be important in the future when others would begin to doubt John’s authority, particularly after his arrest by Herod (Matthew 14:3-11).
Perhaps most importantly, the occasion of the public baptism recorded for all future generations the perfect embodiment of the triune God revealed in glory from heaven. The testimony directly from heaven of the Father’s pleasure with the Son and the descending of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17) is a beautiful picture of the trinitarian nature of God. It also depicts the work of the Father, Son, and Spirit in the salvation of those Jesus came to save. The Father loves the elect from before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4); He sends His Son to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10); and the Spirit convicts of sin (John 16:8) and draws the believer to the Father through the Son. All the glorious truth of the mercy of God through Jesus Christ is on display at His baptism.
In Mark 1:8 and John 1:33, the Baptist proclaimed that Jesus "will baptize in (the) Holy Spirit"; while in Matthew 3:11 and Luke 3:16, he "will baptize with Holy Spirit and fire". Jesus is considered the first person to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
A Born Again is Born Of The Spirit....whereas the scripture that says we are baptised I don’t think it, means the same as being Born Again , In fact I can’t see how it can mean the same thing.
Will Baptise in the Holy Spirit....Born Again....?
He will Baptise, Jesus already had the divine nature, therefore he was baptised with the Holy Spirit, I can’t make head nor tail of that.
He already had divine power, why did he need to be baptised with the Holy Spirit...
Maybe Got has the answer.
Why was Jesus baptized?
ANSWER
At first glance, it seems that Jesus’ baptism has no purpose at all. John’s baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matthew 3:11), but Jesus was sinless and had no need of repentance. Even John was taken aback at Jesus’ coming to him. John recognized his own sin and was aware that he, a sinful man in need of repentance himself, was unfit to baptize the spotless Lamb of God: “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” (Matthew 3:14). Jesus replied that it should be done because “it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15).
There are several reasons why it was fitting for John to baptize Jesus at the beginning of Jesus’ public ministry. Jesus was about to embark on His great work, and it was appropriate that He be recognized publicly by His forerunner. John was the “voice crying in the wilderness” prophesied by Isaiah, calling people to repentance in preparation for their Messiah (Isaiah 40:3). By baptizing Him, John was declaring to all that here was the One they had been waiting for, the Son of God, the One he had predicted would baptize “with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).
Jesus’ baptism by John takes on an added dimension when we consider that John was of the tribe of Levi and a direct descendant of Aaron. Luke specifies that both of John’s parents were of the Aaronic priestly line (Luke 1:5). One of the duties of the priests in the Old Testament was to present the sacrifices before the Lord. John the Baptist’s baptism of Jesus could be seen as a priestly presentation of the Ultimate Sacrifice. John’s words the day after the baptism have a decidedly priestly air: “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29).
Jesus’ baptism also showed that He identified with sinners. His baptism symbolized the sinners’ baptism into the righteousness of Christ, dying with Him and rising free from sin and able to walk in the newness of life. His perfect righteousness would fulfill all the requirements of the Law for sinners who could never hope to do so on their own. When John hesitated to baptize the sinless Son of God, Jesus replied that it was proper to “fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15). By this He alluded to the righteousness that He provides to all who come to Him to exchange their sin for His righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
In addition, Jesus’ coming to John showed His approval of John’s baptism, bearing witness to it, that it was from heaven and approved by God. This would be important in the future when others would begin to doubt John’s authority, particularly after his arrest by Herod (Matthew 14:3-11).
Perhaps most importantly, the occasion of the public baptism recorded for all future generations the perfect embodiment of the triune God revealed in glory from heaven. The testimony directly from heaven of the Father’s pleasure with the Son and the descending of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17) is a beautiful picture of the trinitarian nature of God. It also depicts the work of the Father, Son, and Spirit in the salvation of those Jesus came to save. The Father loves the elect from before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4); He sends His Son to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10); and the Spirit convicts of sin (John 16:8) and draws the believer to the Father through the Son. All the glorious truth of the mercy of God through Jesus Christ is on display at His baptism.
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Eternally Grateful
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Jesus was never baptized with the spirit. He would baptize with the spirit,,I find this interesting.
In Mark 1:8 and John 1:33, the Baptist proclaimed that Jesus "will baptize in (the) Holy Spirit"; while in Matthew 3:11 and Luke 3:16, he "will baptize with Holy Spirit and fire". Jesus is considered the first person to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
A Born Again is Born Of The Spirit....whereas the scripture that says we are baptised I don’t think it, means the same as being Born Again , In fact I can’t see how it can mean the same thing.
Will Baptise in the Holy Spirit....Born Again....?
He will Baptise, Jesus already had the divine nature, therefore he was baptised with the Holy Spirit, I can’t make head nor tail of that.
He already had divine power, why did he need to be baptised with the Holy Spirit...
Maybe Got has the answer.
Why was Jesus baptized?
ANSWER
At first glance, it seems that Jesus’ baptism has no purpose at all. John’s baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matthew 3:11), but Jesus was sinless and had no need of repentance. Even John was taken aback at Jesus’ coming to him. John recognized his own sin and was aware that he, a sinful man in need of repentance himself, was unfit to baptize the spotless Lamb of God: “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” (Matthew 3:14). Jesus replied that it should be done because “it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15).
There are several reasons why it was fitting for John to baptize Jesus at the beginning of Jesus’ public ministry. Jesus was about to embark on His great work, and it was appropriate that He be recognized publicly by His forerunner. John was the “voice crying in the wilderness” prophesied by Isaiah, calling people to repentance in preparation for their Messiah (Isaiah 40:3). By baptizing Him, John was declaring to all that here was the One they had been waiting for, the Son of God, the One he had predicted would baptize “with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).
Jesus’ baptism by John takes on an added dimension when we consider that John was of the tribe of Levi and a direct descendant of Aaron. Luke specifies that both of John’s parents were of the Aaronic priestly line (Luke 1:5). One of the duties of the priests in the Old Testament was to present the sacrifices before the Lord. John the Baptist’s baptism of Jesus could be seen as a priestly presentation of the Ultimate Sacrifice. John’s words the day after the baptism have a decidedly priestly air: “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29).
Jesus’ baptism also showed that He identified with sinners. His baptism symbolized the sinners’ baptism into the righteousness of Christ, dying with Him and rising free from sin and able to walk in the newness of life. His perfect righteousness would fulfill all the requirements of the Law for sinners who could never hope to do so on their own. When John hesitated to baptize the sinless Son of God, Jesus replied that it was proper to “fulfill all righteousness” (Matthew 3:15). By this He alluded to the righteousness that He provides to all who come to Him to exchange their sin for His righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21).
In addition, Jesus’ coming to John showed His approval of John’s baptism, bearing witness to it, that it was from heaven and approved by God. This would be important in the future when others would begin to doubt John’s authority, particularly after his arrest by Herod (Matthew 14:3-11).
Perhaps most importantly, the occasion of the public baptism recorded for all future generations the perfect embodiment of the triune God revealed in glory from heaven. The testimony directly from heaven of the Father’s pleasure with the Son and the descending of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17) is a beautiful picture of the trinitarian nature of God. It also depicts the work of the Father, Son, and Spirit in the salvation of those Jesus came to save. The Father loves the elect from before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4); He sends His Son to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10); and the Spirit convicts of sin (John 16:8) and draws the believer to the Father through the Son. All the glorious truth of the mercy of God through Jesus Christ is on display at His baptism.
Jesus did not need remission of sin, He was baptized for the same moses washed arron in the river, To announce that he would be the high priest.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Jesus is considered the first person to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit descended on Jesus during his baptism (Luke 3:21–22). After his baptism, Jesus goes into the wilderness and is tempted; however, he "returned in the power of the Spirit" (Luke 4:14).
Matthew 3:16-17
King James Version
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 3:21-22
New International Version
The Baptism and Genealogy of Jesus
21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Who said he did?
With the utmost respect.... not looking for an argument.
Your delivery of words, trying to make some members look “ thick”...if anyone needs to take a good look at themselves, it’s “you”.
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Eternally Grateful
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Please learn your terminology
To baptize is to immerse or to place into. John the baptist baptized Jesus in water
To Anoint is to pour on or into
The Holy Spirit was poured on or into Christ at his baptism, hence he was anointed with the spirit.
Once again, Jesus did not have need of being baptized in the spirit. he did not sin, hence he did not have to have his sins redeemed. We do.
Eternally Grateful
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I am just trying to correct a misunderstanding. and help you learn.
If you can not handle being corrected. You need to look at yourself. especially considering you are a staff member, If you can not handle conversation and constructive criticism, well I hope you get the point
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Unfortunately we’re most definitely on different levels of spiritual understanding.
I could never learn from “ you”...it should be...God first and foremost....not “ me” ,me, me..I learn from the Spirit, reading most of your posts you learn from self, nothing “spiritual” in any of your words, we are taught to understand the written word in our hearts/ spirit.by Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit, personally, I don’t think you understand what that means,...I think you need to ask God to open up your heart as imo, I don’t see much life there.
New Living Translation
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.
It’s not “ constructive “ though...The Lord through me imo has tried to point to you, your delivery of words to some members....on this thread and other threads ,maybe you need to go back over the whole thread and ask the Lord to open your eyes.
Anyway we’ve both made our points..let’s get back on topic.
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