Understanding : Acts 2:38

[Ritajanice]

Stating what you previously posted to me, is not ""getting personal.""


Its just being factual.

I have no idea what you are talking about...please stick to the topic..thank you.

 

[Behold]

I’m afraid you are the one with the manmade doctrine, I was blinded, yet now I see, thank you Father God.

Calvinism is not of God.

God is not a Calvinist.

You are teaching that you were born again, before your sin was forgiven, and that is not true.

See, God can't join Himself to a person, spiritually, until your SIN is forgiven.

So, to teach that "i was born again before i believed in Jesus". (before i had FAITH).... is to teach that you were born again, before your sin was forgiven.

See, '"""""Faith has to be "counted by GOD.""""""".=. FIRST.... so that He forgives you, .. and THEN you are born again....

You are teaching that God joined Himself to you to by spiritual birth, (born again)... before your sins were forgiven... ( "before you had faith".<

And that is not true. As God does do that for you, or for Calvin or for anyone.

That is the EXACT Theological GARBAGE that Brightframe teaches. And its not of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unfortunately you twist what I say, I think you mean you are right and every one else is wrong, you only have to read this thread to see that.

Your doctrine imo is manmade, saying that one must look to the cross to be Born Again, is not biblical.

Even though that is what Jesus said.

There you have it people. You do not have to look to the cross. or the death of Christ to be saved..

Plus imperishable seed being the cross as you also said on another thread,your doctrine imo is so confusing because it comes from you or whoever taught you.

A Born Again is Born Again by the Living word of God...not by his written word.

A Born Again is Born Again by the Living word of God.

Your theology states that you were Born Again by the written word...therefore void of Gods truth.

Your not going to be born again if you do not trust the living word.

Jesus said this so many times I lost count.

Don't tell people they have manmade doctrine, when you yourself have man made doctrine.

that why I said what you said is childish and rude.Because you had no fact. yu just made an accusation, and a childish one at that

 

[Ritajanice]

Calvinism is not of God.

God is not a Calvinist.

You are teaching that you were born again, before your sin was forgiven, and that is not true.

See, God can't join Himself to a person, spiritually, until your SIN is forgiven.

I said no such thing, unfortunately you are so entrenched in your own belief that you don’t read or listen to other members posts.

Show me where I said I became Born Again before repentance, I posted that God brought me to repentance/ Godly sorrow, before he brought me to believe in his Son, then he gifted me the faith to believe in His Son/ via His Spirit.

You teach that your faith makes you Born Again, that is an untruth...

You also teach that the cross saves, the cross was needed in order that we can become Born Again by the Living Spirit....the written word that you teach doesn’t save, only being Born Of The Spirit can save us from eternal damnation.

So, to teach that "i was born again before i believes in Jesus".. is to teach that you were born again, before your sin was forgiven.

See, Faith has to be "counted by GOD... FIRST.... so that He forgives you, .. and THEN you are born again....

You are teaching that God joined Himself you to by spiritual birth, before your sins were forgiven... ( before you had faith".

And that is not true.

I have already posted that faith is a gift from God...not only is that his Living word it’s also in his written word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have no idea what you are talking about...please stick to the topic..thank you.

lol, how soon you forget

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Calvinism is not of God.

God is not a Calvinist.

You are teaching that you were born again, before your sin was forgiven, and that is not true.

See, God can't join Himself to a person, spiritually, until your SIN is forgiven.

So, to teach that "i was born again before i believed in Jesus". (before i had FAITH).... is to teach that you were born again, before your sin was forgiven.

See, '"""""Faith has to be "counted by GOD.""""""".=. FIRST.... so that He forgives you, .. and THEN you are born again....

You are teaching that God joined Himself to you to by spiritual birth, (born again)... before your sins were forgiven... ( "before you had faith".<

And that is not true. As God does do that for you, or for Calvin or for anyone.

That is the EXACT Theological GARBAGE that Brightframe teaches. And its not of God.

she does not understand, a person on death row is basically dead. They can not be removed from death row (made alive again) unless the thing that put them their (their judgment) is removed.

God is not going to make you alive while you are still under judgment, The root flaw of fatalistic belief is that we are made alive while still under the penalty of sin..

 

[Ritajanice]

Even though that is what Jesus said.

There you have it people. You do not have to look to the cross. or the death of Christ to be saved..

Correct, you do not look to the cross to be Born Again, we are saved when we have been Born Of The Spirit..we look to the cross and believe when we have received the Spirit into our heart, Born Again of imperishable seed.....you wouldn’t know that Jesus died, without the Living Spirit in our hearts, when God makes us Born Again of imperishable seed...the seed is the Living word of God...the imperishable seed is not the cross.

Your not going to be born again if you do not trust the living word.

How do you trust the Living word without being Born Of The Spirit?

Jesus said this so many times I lost count.

Don't tell people they have manmade doctrine, when you yourself have man made doctrine.

that why I said what you said is childish and rude.Because you had no fact. yu just made an accusation, and a childish one at that

Your theology is manmade, imo...I am allowed to voice my opinion ...just as you voice your opinion of me, not knowing what Born Again means...do you hear me complaining?

 

[Ritajanice]

lol, how soon you forget

Please stick to the topic, I refuse to participate in your goading..un- edifying and unfruitful.

 

[Behold]

Show me where I said I became Born Again before repentance,

@Ritajanice said.

We need the Living Spirit Of God to make our spirit Born Again...just as His word says, it’s the Spirit that gives birth to our spirit,” Spirit gives birth to spirit “....then we can believe in the Spirit Of God,..



See that?
You are teaching that Born Again comes before the BELIEVEING.

A.) Impossible

You've taught this many times.
At least 3 people on this Forum have tried to get you to understand this error.

 

[Ritajanice]

she does not understand, a person on death row is basically dead. They can not be removed from death row (made alive again) unless the thing that put them their (their judgment) is removed.

God is not going to make you alive while you are still under judgment, The root flaw of fatalistic belief is that we are made alive while still under the penalty of sin..

God is not going to make you Born Again by looking at the cross...you understand the cross once you have become Born Again of imperishable seed.

The cross is not being Born Again of imperishable seed..who taught you this doctrine?

It’s certainly not biblical.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice said.

We need the Living Spirit Of God to make our spirit Born Again...just as His word says, it’s the Spirit that gives birth to our spirit,” Spirit gives birth to spirit “....then we can believe in the Spirit Of God,..



See that?
You are teaching that Born Again comes before the BELIEVEING.

A.) Impossible

You've taught this many times.
At least 3 people on this Forum have tried to get you to understand this error.

Once again my post has gone right over your head...I will find it and post it again.

Here it is.

Show me where I said I became Born Again before repentance, I posted that God brought me to repentance/ Godly sorrow, before he brought me to believe in Jesus.

 

[Behold]

.you understand the cross once you have become Born Again

That's Calvins's lie.

That is your same teaching that you have to be born again FIRST, and then faith, .. the believing happens.

 

[Behold]

Once again my post has gone right over your head..

.you understand the cross once you have become Born Again

That's Calvins's lie.

That is your same teaching that you have to be born again FIRST, and then faith, .. the believing happens.

 

[Behold]

Here it is.

.you understand the cross once you have become Born Again

That's Calvins's lie.

That is your same teaching that you have to be born again FIRST, and then faith, .. the believing happens.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Correct, you do not look to the cross to be Born Again, we are saved when we have been Born Of The Spirit..we look to the cross and believe when we have received the Spirit into our heart, Born Again of imperishable seed.....you wouldn’t know that Jesus died, without the Living Spirit in our hearts, when God makes us Born Again of imperishable seed...the seed is the Living word of God...the imperishable seed is not the cross.

No this is not correct.

Jesus was not put on the cross so we can ignore it and reject it. It is the means of our salvation

How do you trust the Living word without being Born Of The Spirit?

I am born of the spirit BECAUSE I trust the living word of God. Why do you think God keeps his truth from people? WHat kind of God do you serve?

Your theology is manmade, imo...I am allowed to voice my opinion ...just as you voice your opinion of me, not knowing what Born Again means...do you hear me complaining?

You do not hear me act like a child and say your doctrine is manmade, You hear me counter your arguments with my own arguments.

Thats why it is childish. Your doctrine is man made is not a discussion, It is an attack. and its childish

 

[Ritajanice]

That's Calvins's lie.

That is your same teaching that you have to be born again FIRST, and then faith, .. the believing happens.

God gifts us the faith to believe in the cross...there is no understanding the cross of Jesus, without the witness of the Hoy Spirit...

We must be Born Of The Spirit, before we can understand the cross, via Gods Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Please stick to the topic, I refuse to participate in your goading..un- edifying and unfruitful.

Then don;t tell people their doctrine is man made.

Practice what you preach!

 

[Ritajanice]

That's Calvins's lie.

That is your same teaching that you have to be born again FIRST, and then faith, .. the believing happens.

Gods gift of Faith and becoming Born Again happens at the same time.

You teach the written word.

You don’t teach or understand the Living word of God,imo.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God is not going to make you Born Again by looking at the cross...you understand the cross once you have become Born Again of imperishable seed.

Your right, Just looking to the cross does not mean you trust what the cross represents and what it will do. Yu actually have to trust it

The cross is not being Born Again of imperishable seed..who taught you this doctrine?

It’s certainly not biblical.

Who taught you that you can be born again apart from the cross. Not even a calvinist uses the arguments you use, in fact your the only person I have ever met who is stuck on this imperishable seed bit apart from faith in Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

Then don;t tell people their doctrine is man made.

Practice what you preach!

Your doctrine imo is learnt from the written word.

Not the Living word of God,imo.