Unconditional love ?

[bbyrd009]

The world has never had anything to do with covenant.

hmm. i agree, but the world is passing away.

So, children often have little to do with growing up, either, i guess; it happens regardless.

Jesus stands in our stead, with God.

Who "so loved the world," ya. Imo we should maybe remember that the righteous do not need a Savior, lol. Somethingsomething "reconcile all men to Himself."

or iow "who is 'our'?" Sounds like the same group as "we" or "us."
i guess this seems silly maybe, but it is a bad thing that we do, at least imo.
if i include myself in this "we," i must accept--easy to do--but mostly identify a "they," see. Ask yourself "for what purpose?" and if you get an answer different from "in order to justify treating them differently," let me know.

 

[bbyrd009]

i guess this will be...nonsense? to most Christians, but it is just another expression of ego, see.

• This is "dualism", recognized by sages from Eckhart to Daly as "the sin behind all sin." Separation. Subject/object relationships.

 

[bbyrd009]

There are no conditions for receiving God's love. He loved us before we were ever saved. Salvation comes through Jesus Christ because He loved us and that is what it cost Him to get us back.

Exercising faith towards God is a product of His love, not a condition. He loved us before we exercised it. Same with repentance.

i was cheering til you got to the last sentence here. Even atheists can say "i'm sorry, i was wrong," so i dunno

 

[DPMartin]

There are no conditions for receiving God's love. He loved us before we were ever saved. Salvation comes through Jesus Christ because He loved us and that is what it cost Him to get us back.

Exercising faith towards God is a product of His love, not a condition. He loved us before we exercised it. Same with repentance. Faith is required to come into the salvation that God has provided because He already loved us.

There is a requirement to being saved...faith. Before the Christian comes to that place of faith, God already loves them. God's love for us preceded the condition necessary for salvation. He loved us before, so He certainly loves us now after we have come to Him in faith.

You are making a grave error in trying to identify the conditions pertaining to all aspects of our salvation, with God's love.

Concerning (Matt. 7:22-23), Christ says He never knew them. They were never His. Christ knows those who are His. (John 10:14)

My, my, more rewording to make grace appear repugnant. Where did I say working iniquity is ok? I didn't. I said God's love is unconditional toward His people. You assume the other. You want to make God's love conditional so as to place the believer under some sort of law, that he must do to keep both his salvation and God's love. Disgusting.

God does judge His people. But His judgement does not affect His love for us. The One who loved us and died for us will be our judge. Let me put it another way. Our sin does nothing to influence God's love for us. It, our sin, did everything to initiate from Him a salvation to get us back. That is the unconditional love of God.

What does the fall of Satan have to do with God's love for us? Nothing.

Stranger

right here you say there are conditions:

"Concerning (Matt. 7:22-23), Christ says He never knew them. They were never His. Christ knows those who are His. (John 10:14)"

to be called chosen and faithful are conditions, no matter how you slice it and no matter those conditions are met. called chosen and faithful are conditions that separate the same from the rest of the human race doesn't it stranger? no different then that which lets there be light is separated from darkness, why would God do any different? what because you are human?


the Lord God wiped out all flesh on the face of the earth during the flood, how is that unconditional love? and now you are going to tell me God has changed now, He's a different kind of guy, a kinder gentler Almighty Creator and Judge, you're kidding right? He wasn't a unconditional kind of guy then and now He is. God's the same yesterday today and forever. the OT is not obsolete because Jesus fulfilled it you know.

 

[Stranger]

right here you say there are conditions:

"Concerning (Matt. 7:22-23), Christ says He never knew them. They were never His. Christ knows those who are His. (John 10:14)"

to be called chosen and faithful are conditions, no matter how you slice it and no matter those conditions are met. called chosen and faithful are conditions that separate the same from the rest of the human race doesn't it stranger? no different then that which lets there be light is separated from darkness, why would God do any different? what because you are human?


the Lord God wiped out all flesh on the face of the earth during the flood, how is that unconditional love? and now you are going to tell me God has changed now, He's a different kind of guy, a kinder gentler Almighty Creator and Judge, you're kidding right? He wasn't a unconditional kind of guy then and now He is. God's the same yesterday today and forever. the OT is not obsolete because Jesus fulfilled it you know.

No, being one of God's people, one of God's sheep is not a condition that the believer must do to be loved by God. Being one of God's people is who the believer is. God loves us from day one and even before that. That there is a distinction between us and those who are not God's people, yes, there is distinction. God loves those who are His. He doesn't love those who are not. Thus, to those who God loves, He loves unconditionally.

Your example of light and darkness confuses distinction with condition.

The flood is unconditional love by God because God was saving His people from the wicked who were not His people. The rest of what you say, you are arguing with yourself.

Stranger