Twelve Stones = One Rock (Joshua 4:8, 9)

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All that believers do for God is the result of His “work” within to enable them (Phl 2:13)! What He did under the Old Covenant between Himself and Israel was “a shadow” (Col 2:17; Heb 10:1) of what He is doing with Christians in the New Covenant between Himself and the Lord Jesus (“Covenant of Redemption” – Heb 9:14, 15; 13:20, et al.). As the Father manifested Himself by isolating a “people of God” from the world, He continues to manifest Himself by isolating “children of God” from the world. These Covenants demonstrate that God always prepares souls before He uses them. This can be seen when believers, thinking back, may remember often having thoughts about God and how they possibly see now that they were prepitory to serve in “drawing” (Jhn 6:44) them into their present union with Him.
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Twelve Stones = One Rock (Joshua 4:8, 9)


It is faith in the risen Lord Jesus which enables us to apprehend (after an experience often as long as the forty years in the wilderness were for Israel) our deliverances from our old estate, and introduction into a new one in Him. The soul, long exercised, learns at length—and it is the Father who reveals it to faith—that what it was striving vainly to attain to, has not to be done, but is a present reality; for faith is a fact, an accomplished fact, in the Lord Jesus.

I used to wonder at the extreme simplicity of the language produced by the discovery of this important truth in Romans Seven, whilst it takes a whole chapter to describe the experience of a soul previous to knowing deliverance (we eventually learn the practical deliverance in our walk—NC). More than this, the despairing utterance caused by the hopelessness of the situation, changes without any interlude into one of gratitude and joy: “I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.” The reason now seems simple enough. When the soul makes this discovery it learns that the deliverance which it was incapable of attaining, the Father has already wrought in the Son, so that it is no longer a thing to be accomplished.

How often I have seen souls seeking, by effort, to lay hold, so to speak, of deliverance. What was the result? When, after much struggle, they thought they had grasped its import, a single night sufficed to dispense the illusion just as dead leaves are swept away by the breeze between evening and morning. Ah—deliverance is not obtained in a moment, for just as there was no Jordon for Israel before the desert wilderness, so for us, deliverance comes after we have made the sorrowful discovery of what the flesh (old man—NC) is, and not before—all testimonies to the contrary notwithstanding. Deliverance is not a mere experience, but the result of the position in which faith rests.

For us it is not a moment of stones on Canaan’s shore, but our Rock on the shore of glory! It is the glorified Lord Jesus, the Object of our faith, Firstborn from the dead, risen and entered into the heavenly places; but One who represents us there, associating us with Himself, even as He associated Himself with us in His death unto sin (Rom 6:4). Moreover, the Father intends that the Lord Jesus thus set before us should produce a corresponding moral effect in us: “changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord” (2Co 3:18).

“It is a memorial unto the children of Israel forever” (Jos 4:7). It is also this for us, accompanied by the inward effect (not available before the Cross, i.e. the indwelling Spirit and the new man—NC). The believer, risen with the Lord Jesus, has the indelible marks of His death imprinted on him, and, if such is my position in Him, can I live any longer in the things which I have abandoned, which He has left in the depths of the Jordan?

The twelve stones at Gilgal, then, are not merely our death and resurrection with the Lord Jesus, the Jordan typified that, but the memorial of this death and resurrection as seen in a risen and glorified Lord Jesus Christ. All has crossed the Jordan—all believers have died with Him—but many amongst them perhaps care little to inquire the meaning of the monument at Gilgal, those stones which seemed to say in living accents to the people: “reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God in Christ Jesus” (Ro 6:1).

—Henri Louis Rossier (1835-1928)




Miles J Stanford excerpt for Nov. 3

“Spiritual growth is from stage to stage. There are great days, days of decisive battles, and days of crisis in spiritual history, days of triumph in Christian service, days of the right hand of the Father upon us. But there are also idle days, days of apparent uselessness, when even prayer and service seem a burden. Are we, in any sense, renewed in these days? Yes, for any experience which makes us more aware of our need of the Father must contribute to spiritual progress, unless we deny the Lord who bought us.” -W.G.S.

“It is not a man’s thanksgiving that he has been set free from suffering; it is to be thanksgiving that he has been set free through suffering. ‘Thou hast enlarged me when I was in distress’ (Ps. 4:1).” -MJS
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All that believers do for God is the result of His “work” within to enable them (Phl 2:13)! What He did under the Old Covenant between Himself and Israel was “a shadow” (Col 2:17; Heb 10:1) of what He is doing with Christians in the New Covenant between Himself and the Lord Jesus (“Covenant of Redemption” – Heb 9:14, 15; 13:20, et al.). As the Father manifested Himself by isolating a “people of God” from the world, He continues to manifest Himself by isolating “children of God” from the world. These Covenants demonstrate that God always prepares souls before He uses them. This can be seen when believers, thinking back, may remember often having thoughts about God and how they possibly see now that they were prepitory to serve in “drawing” (Jhn 6:44) them into their present union with Him.
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Twelve Stones = One Rock (Joshua 4:8, 9)

Twelve Stones = One Rock? I'm at a loss to figure out how anyone could draw that conclusion from the verses:

Joshua 4:8-9 (KJV)
8 And the children of Israel did so as Joshua commanded, and took up twelve stones out of the midst of Jordan, as the LORD spake unto Joshua, according to the number of the tribes of the children of Israel, and carried them over with them unto the place where they lodged, and laid them down there.
9 And Joshua set up twelve stones in the midst of Jordan, in the place where the feet of the priests which bare the ark of the covenant stood: and they are there unto this day.

Never mind what appears to be 'difficult to comprehend obfuscation' by Rossier. Read and understand what GOD inspired to be written in His Word. Gods' Word is true. What anyone else writes or teaches, including myself and anyone else in this forum or anywhere else is subject to and contains personal opinion and 'slant'. Do I blindly believe what some renowned pastor preaches? Or even the pastors at my local church? If it doesn't line up with Gods' Word, I'd be a fool to believe it.

One of the bigger objections I have to your post is the use of Hebrews. It seems you've lost sight of to whom the Book of Hebrews was written...Jews. Not Gentiles. Trying to make Gentile doctrine from Hebrews is a mistake. The entire book was written to show the Hebrews (Jews) that there's a better way to know and follow God than the covenants He made with their fathers in the OT.

For starters, all 8 of Gods' covenants were made to ISRAEL, not Gentiles. Attempting to apply them to Gentiles is a form of 'replacement theology'. If replacement theology were accurate, then God lied, meaning you should immediately throw away your Bible as it's filled with lies! Only the Abrahamic, Land, Davidic, and the Mosaic covenants are currently in effect for Israel. The New Covenant (the 8th) will be fulfilled when Jesus returns and sets up His Kingdom on earth. (as a side lesson in Biblical numerology...7 is the number of 'completion' or 'perfection', 8 is the number of 'new beginning(s)')

The New Covenant:
Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Many take the verses from Hebrews to show that we Gentiles are under the new (or a new) covenant, which is in error. Again, Hebrews is written to Jews. Remember that Jews then as now do not believe that Jesus was the much prophesied Messiah.

The Davidic Covenant:
2 Samuel 7:12-16 (KJV)
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

So Paul wrote the verses below to tell them there is a better (new) testament, and a better covenant (than the Davidic)

Hebrews 7:22; 8:6; 10:16 (KJV)
7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (KJV)

It’s obvious that Hebrews is referring to replacing the Davidic covenant with the New Covenant. Hebrews 10:16 is clearly repeating Jeremiah 31:33.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. (KJV)
Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, (KJV)

The above verses are referring to Jesus’ shed blood are part of the New Covenant to Israel, that we know will be fulfilled at his 2nd coming.

It's easy to try to use all New Testament books and try to apply their contents to us Gentiles. It just doesn't work. As Paul wrote referring to the Old Testament -

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. (KJV)

I think that applies to the 4 Gospels as well as the epistles of James, Peter, John, and Jude as they are written to Jews, as is Hebrews. We can learn from all of it, but our doctrine comes exclusively from Pauls' writings Romans-Philemon. Israel was, and is, under the dispensation of law. Today, we're under the dispensation of Grace that Paul wrote about exclusively.
 
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Twelve Stones = One Rock? I'm at a loss to figure out how anyone could draw that conclusion from the verses:
Hi, and appreciate the reply, but to reply to you I would need to know what you mean by "conclusion." Thanks and God bless.
 
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Hi, and appreciate the reply, but to reply to you I would need to know what you mean by "conclusion." Thanks and God bless.

I fail to see the 'link' between the 12 stones, one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel, being provided by God to cross the Jordan into the promised land and memorialized by leaving them there. It's not like Moses striking the rock and getting water as a 'picture' of Christ being the rock and His Word living water.
 

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I fail to see the 'link' between the 12 stones, one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel, being provided by God to cross the Jordan into the promised land and memorialized by leaving them there. It's not like Moses striking the rock and getting water as a 'picture' of Christ being the rock and His Word living water.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, the stones being removed from the water represented life out of death, and the same stones on the shore represented the permanency of that life, similar to "lively stones" (1Pe 2:5).