Eternally Grateful
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you do realize Israel was under the authoritarian rule of Caesar (an evil ruler) when this was written do you not?
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Eternally Grateful
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then you do not believe the word of God, because God puts all leaders in place..
Then why will Jesus return to Israel, the Land of the Bible? Why are'nt the wannabees in Israel???
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Triumph1300
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What are some examples of people in the Bible who have disobeyed the governing authorities and been blessed by God? Why were these people blessed rather than “bringing judgment on themselves” as in Rom 13:2?
Because what happens in the world is of God.
God sent judges who fought wars against surround kingdoms who God wanted eliminated, same during the time God brought Israel out of Egypt, and David's wars. etc...in the OT, we can read all about it.
This is a pretty good subject to study
Rockerduck
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The Bible is pretty consistent on the fact that God is in control.
Daniel 4:17 - ‘This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones,
In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men,
Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’
Daniel 2:21 - And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise, and knowledge to those who have understanding.
Romans 13:1 - Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Proverbs 21:1 - The king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord, Like the rivers of water; He turns it wherever He wishes.
God is sovereign in providence. God controls all that is in the world (Daniel 4:35) including the forces of nature (Psalm 147:15-18), all people, including kings and presidents (Isaiah 40: 15-17, 22,23), Satan and all angels (Job 1), and all the events and circumstances in our lives (Romans 8:28).
Daniel 4:17 - ‘This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones,
In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men,
Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’
Daniel 2:21 - And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise, and knowledge to those who have understanding.
Romans 13:1 - Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Proverbs 21:1 - The king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord, Like the rivers of water; He turns it wherever He wishes.
God is sovereign in providence. God controls all that is in the world (Daniel 4:35) including the forces of nature (Psalm 147:15-18), all people, including kings and presidents (Isaiah 40: 15-17, 22,23), Satan and all angels (Job 1), and all the events and circumstances in our lives (Romans 8:28).
That only came about because hundreds of years ago commentators didn't believe that God would bring Israel back. So that had to try to figure out what else the Bible could be saying, and this is what they came up with.
We don't have to hold onto their failed ideas.
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You might just as well ask why you are living at ease in a land of leisure? When they are persecuted for their faith, they are blessed now, and will receive a rich reward in the age to come. Don't you want that?
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Jesus Christ will return in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)
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It's called John N Darby 1830's dispensationalism in Christian Zionism and the false teachings promoting two peoples of God Jew/Gentile
God fulfilled his promises to Abraham through Jesus Christ, Israel 1948 has absolutely nothing to do with Bible prophecy
No, it's called "unbelief in the promises of God", plain and simple. Just like His promises. This has nothing to do with Darby. It has everything to do with your unbelief.
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Note what scripture says in Acts 17 about nations and boundaries. All things are of God. God creates circumstances to cause men to hopefully seek for Him. So, when they do not, at the judgement, they have no excuse. When tough times come, we know where to go for help in troubling times, but many refuse Him.
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Addressing the Areopagus
22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the [i]Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Eternally Grateful
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Did Jesus tell us to render to Caesar the things of Caesar or not?
Did God not tell us to obey those who are in charge of us or not?
rom 13: 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
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