Yet more, judgment. You're not taking heed to what people are saying to you.
You know nothing about me beyond what I put on here. So, you can not make that call and stop calling me friend. I am not your friend.
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Yet more, judgment. You're not taking heed to what people are saying to you.
You know nothing about me beyond what I put on here. So, you can not make that call and stop calling me friend. I am not your friend.
amigo de christo
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even JESUS called judas friend . yet he knew who and what judas was .
You are big time under the inclusive spell . I have watched you my friend . and i KNOW what spirit that agenda is of ..............
amigo de christo
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you will merge for unity and false love no matter the cost . IF you repent not of the delusion you are now racing right into .
Only you excuse yourself. You have a self-righteousness that Jesus never had.
He took action and taught us to do the same.
You’re a wannabe keyboard warrior who thinks ALL CAPS accomplishes something. It doesn’t.
In a civic society you have the right to vote. The kind of society you have depends upon its citizens exercising that right.
You get what you get by voting for it.
You also get what you get, by not voting for it.
Again, you know nothing about me. You judge without knowing. You misrepresent me without knowing. You bear false witness against me.
That is a sin.
I am not the one that needs to repent at the moment. You are bearing false witness.
amigo de christo
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I wont vote for one who does the work of the vatican . Issues are another thing .
IF , IF for example , their came a vote to support or make illegal gay marraige
or abortion or etc . OH I WOULD VOTE ONTHAT . and guess how i would vote . MAKE IT ALL ILLEGAL . guess that makes me a hater
in yalls judge not we have rights to do as we please crap mindset . but so be it .
NOT You or most all would ever once vote for a man like me . CAUSE I REALLY would clean house .
YES , things like abortion , things like gay marraige etc , WOULD be no longer supported at all .
BUT that aint my job or mission . my duty rather is to PREACH JESUS . to correct the church .
NO desire for govt or to be president . THEY would shoot me on day one as i
called for an entire investigation of THE VATICAN and etc . BUT AGAIN that aint my job .
What i would not do is LIP ONE THING , act like i am agaisnt the one world govt and religoin
AND YET PLAY THE HYPOCRITE AND DO ITS BIDDING ALL THE WHILE .
You. Are. Dismissed.
We have far too many people 'preaching' Jesus already.
Be Jesus.
I am not the only one that has said this about Amigo. He judges everyone else, yet he does no wrong. That is not discernment.
It's sad seeing how Christendom has lost its Christianity. That's how it feels in this thread, except for a few. What would it profit to gain the whole world but lose your own soul? The OP was quite right, and many are walking into a baited snare.
Jer 6:16
Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Correcting and speaking truth to your neighbour isn't condemnation. The spirit of political correctness would not agree though, which is what has taken over Christendom and the hearts and minds of the church.
And more judgment from someone. Just because you agree with what Amigo has been saying, it doesn't mean that it is correcting and speaking the truth. He has a habit of judging others and I called him out on it. You cannot see it because you agree with him and you have judged others without first taking the log out of your eye.
Welcome to my ignore list which is getting ever increasingly larger.
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Illuminator
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It's a shame that Catholic Answers shut down their forums. I enjoyed the debating in that forum as people were respectful and could do so without name-calling or trying to go for the throat.
They even accepted that I as a former cradle Catholic had left and respected my choice to leave the Catholic church.
Grailhunter
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Perhaps that's because John Calvin is simply a man who absolutely no one follows and most haven't even read or heard taught in their churches?
The term Calvinist is a derogatory one so-called by the enemies of the people who hold to a reformed soteriology....
Like any other teacher or preacher of the Gospel, while what preachers say might be educational, they are not the Scriptures, nor are they equal to the scriptures so they aren't preached.
And I've heard many quotes from many historical pastors and people quoted from the pulpit as some kind of educational side bar to the sermon, but never heard a quote yet from John Calvin.
The fact is, the only people who have much to say about John Calvin at all are people who hate reformed soteriology...
And I'm pretty sure the argument over reformed soteriology is not in this particular thread.
But if you start it I'll share the link with my brothers and if they feel like the merry go round they'll respond.. how's that?
I do caution you the same merry go round is tiresome to everyone... Perhaps you might like to start with Wayne Grudem's systematic theology instead?
Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, Second Edition
If you are someone who thinks theology is hard to understand or boring, then this second edition of Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem will likely change your mind. Each chapter of this most popular systematic text of the last 25 years has been thoroughly revised, updated, and expanded, while...www.christianbook.com
^^^ that's the second edition, I have the first edition but I'm sure it's not that much different.
It's a good systematic theology to read if you're interested in reformed theology.
If you get into the deep study of theology and Christian history the people involved that have done great harm to Christianity can give you an insight into what not to do and how so many false beliefs have creped into Christianity. Then some times it is a group effort based on the perception of the time period.
Some are called fathers of the Church like Augustine and like many that came up with these Klondike beliefs and he had some serious personal problems. In all this John Calvin is also a great study, he had personal problems and physical problems and his theological conclusions are obviously the product of frustration in not being able to understand the scriptures with a desire to harmonize them. So in the end he basically gave up and blamed what he could not figure out on God. Whatever inconsistency there is God made it happen that way. He built on the concept that was already there that if it makes no sense, that is the proof that it is divine. Because we are incapable of understanding God. Some good examples are the doctrines of the Trinity, Original Sin, and this total predestination belief.
In the process a lot of original Christian beliefs have been overshadowed and twisted and in the process has caused great harm and misery. Looking into why these doctrines were promulgated will shed light on a lot of truths and provide a better understanding of the scriptures and Christianity as a whole.
One of things that these false doctrines and even most cults have in common is that they take one or two scriptures that are not congruent with the whole theme or spirit of the scriptures and build religions or doctrines on them. A good example is the scripture where Christ says you have to hate your father and mother to be His disciple. Luke 14:26 That is not consistent with Him or the scriptures
Being knowledgeable of the scriptures is one level of understanding and understanding the overall theme of the scriptures and the Spirit of Christ is another, because whatever the scriptures say their meaning cannot be incompatible with meaning and spirit of the whole.
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Amen brother. Christendom is going the same way Israel did. Sad to see.
Well God knows whether I'm judging or discerning, brother. I just thought I was trying to help some folks avoid a danger, for their sakes. As have others been.
Grailhunter
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Well you are right….
And it is another good case study into how perceptions of the time period and circumstances can influence Christian beliefs. When you are studying history it is beneficial to try to put yourself in their place. Catholic history and the Protestant reform has a ton of documented history that explains why they did what they did.
The Catholic Church did a lot of good things and it was usually those that were in various orders….but the horror of the Catholic Church and it internal corruption overshadows any good that they did. Today most people do not know all the good they did, nor the evil depths of their atrocities.
But the Protestant reform had to deal with the evils of the Church. From their perspective it appeared that the Catholic Church was run by Satan because they could not see how it could possibly reflect anything about Christ. So they acted accordingly and eventually there were wars between the Catholics and the Protestants. The 30 year war and the conflict in Ireland in more modern times.
At the time it was the right thing to do. But what they did to “cleanse” Christianity resulted in flushing a good part of Christian history and on top of that they did not have any good translations of the Bible available so reassessing the truths of the scriptures was not possible. On top of that the Protestants adopted the Catholic doctrines of the Trinity and Original Sin which were false.
And because they developed negative views regarding education they pretty much ignored most of it. For example; Nowhere in the Bible is a wedding ceremony required to be married…actually the word wedding does not appear in the actual scriptures Old or New Testament. The Hebrew did not even have a word for wedding. It was actually the Protestants that first required a wedding ceremony to be married. Because the Protestants do not pay attention to history most do not know that fact….they do not even pay attention to their own history.
So there is reason why a lot of reflection was not happening or happening now.
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OK, so post up some scriptures showing Jesus going out to over turn the roman government or otherwise changing how they operate. Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight" (John 18:36)... so when did He change His mind and say something different?
And, let's see some scriptures where the Lord is giving Christians a call to action to control or take over the governments of the world so they are all under the control of Christians.
I seemed to have missed those instructions in God's Word so if you could help me out and post those up, I'd appreciate it.
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