Trump is dangerous - a Messianic Complex

[Lizbeth]

This backwards attitude is baffling to me.

Well-meaning, good Christian folks who want everyone to just throw up their hands and opt out. Give up. Let things be.

It's insanity and self-defeating-- because it perpetuates the very thing they moan and groan about-- the condition of the world. Yet they won't lift a finger to fix it. They won't try to improve it-- because well.... the world isn't going to change.

Not with that attitude it won't.

We elect lawmakers to represent our interests. When you don't act, others elect folks who represent their interests, which are often in direct interest to your good sense and sensibilities. Often in direct opposition to your values, and principles and purpose. Anti-christ. But you let them have their way-- and they keep marching along unimpeded by you. Shame on your disinterested hatred of them and that fate you seal upon them.

Why have police officers? The world isn't going to change-- it's just going to get worse and worse right to its end, so why have any police officers at all, that are just in the way of violent murderers, thieves and rapists? Isn't this your attitude? And indeed-- those you will not stand up to oppose would actually want to do away with law enforcement and prosecution-- and you, by your inaction are aiding and abetting these very lawbreakers and those who are voting to defund the police. Well done. Mission accomplished.

Just sit back and expect things to get worse-- they will. Because of you.

No that isn't my attitude, and yes I know it sounds like foolishness. Careful brother..

 

[Wrangler]

No it doesn't. We are clearly instructed to not be yoked with unbelievers

You are straying far from the moral imperative for American Christians to participate in the political process.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I will be voting in the coming election. But I fear that it will do no good. As the president is elected by other politicians anyways. And yet it is important to be heard.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I will be voting in the coming election. But I fear that it will do no good. As the president is elected by other politicians anyways. And yet it is important to be heard.

It did good in 2016.
2020 was a coup.
Trump got more votes than anyone in history.
The guy that could not fill up a mcdonalds at his "rallies" , "won".
A miracle ( just honest election) could happen again.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You are straying far from the moral imperative for American Christians to participate in the political process.

Actually i do both with ease.
It is not either/or.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Distinguish between the holy and the profane (common)

I don't think it's possible, not truly or at least not wholly.

I believe in separation of powers and a separation between church and state, but I guess only so far.

The church is the church and has a role in the life of men, and the law is law and government has a different sphere than the church and a different mandate, but even then it still has mandate given by God.

So while I don't believe we can or even should police the bedrooms of society, I also can't separate God Himself from government either since what I do must be in His will.

I personally think some denominations go too far into the mixing of church and state, or at least have the tendency to sound like they are, but I'd rather err on the side of caution (more God) these days than on the side of too little.

And I say these days because what has been proven to me by society, namely, these Marxist orgs and LGB people, that equality under the law isn't the goal. The goal is the remaking of society itself.

 

[rebuilder 454]

@Lizbeth
The resurrection of the saints happens before the mil.
So we are not in the mil

What if we are in the mil. now brother? Hasn't Christ been ruling & reigning ever since His resurrection when all power in heaven and earth was given to Him at that time? That is why the scripture says Christ must rule until all enemies have been put under His feet. All things have been put under Him, but we just do not yet "see" all things put under.

Satan's kingdom (this world) is divided against itself.. But option #3 is that the Lord is on His throne and is directing events of this age to their final conclusion, and in His timing too. I'm going with option #3 and recommend everyone do the same.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I don't think it's possible, not truly or at least not wholly.

I believe in separation of powers and a separation between church and state, but I guess only so far.

The church is the church and has a role in the life of men, and the law is law and government has a different sphere than the church and a different mandate, but even then it still has mandate given by God.

So while I don't believe we can or even should police the bedrooms of society, I also can't separate God Himself from government either since what I do must be in His will.

I personally think some denominations go too far into the mixing of church and state, or at least have the tendency to sound like they are, but I'd rather err on the side of caution (more God) these days than on the side of too little.

And I say these days because what has been proven to me by society, namely, these Marxist orgs and LGB people, that equality under the law isn't the goal. The goal is the remaking of society itself.

Well said, I think you hit the nail on the head. We learn from scripture and Jude that the wicked despise dominion. And by that I believe he meant righteous dominion. They despise Jesus' rule and authority. God the Father's too then and the Holy Ghost.

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries.

And I think people that despise righteous dominion naturally want to be in positions of authority to rule themselves and others. That is why we find our schools, laws and government becoming corrupt.

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth
The resurrection of the saints happens before the mil.
So we are not in the mil

Don't forget about the saints who were resurrected in the time of Jesus. I can't parse everything, it's an overwhelming book to me...but things in Rev are not quite the way we have been thinking or were taught.

 

[Lizbeth]

I don't think it's possible, not truly or at least not wholly.

I believe in separation of powers and a separation between church and state, but I guess only so far.

The church is the church and has a role in the life of men, and the law is law and government has a different sphere than the church and a different mandate, but even then it still has mandate given by God.

So while I don't believe we can or even should police the bedrooms of society, I also can't separate God Himself from government either since what I do must be in His will.

I personally think some denominations go too far into the mixing of church and state, or at least have the tendency to sound like they are, but I'd rather err on the side of caution (more God) these days than on the side of too little.

And I say these days because what has been proven to me by society, namely, these Marxist orgs and LGB people, that equality under the law isn't the goal. The goal is the remaking of society itself.

His commands are not burdensome sister, it's just a matter of yielding to the spirit, which the flesh sometimes hates to do because the flesh thinks that is lame.

It is troubling when Christians consider political things to be a holy war. That is a "Catholic" mindset.....aka of the flesh. Our weapons are not carnal.

 

[Mr E]

I don't think it's possible, not truly or at least not wholly.

I believe in separation of powers and a separation between church and state, but I guess only so far.

The church is the church and has a role in the life of men, and the law is law and government has a different sphere than the church and a different mandate, but even then it still has mandate given by God.

So while I don't believe we can or even should police the bedrooms of society, I also can't separate God Himself from government either since what I do must be in His will.

I personally think some denominations go too far into the mixing of church and state, or at least have the tendency to sound like they are, but I'd rather err on the side of caution (more God) these days than on the side of too little.

And I say these days because what has been proven to me by society, namely, these Marxist orgs and LGB people, that equality under the law isn't the goal. The goal is the remaking of society itself.

That's a bit of a misnomer. Certainly a misconception. -and I only know this from the Hillsdale College courses on the Constitution that I've taken, but the words "separation of church and state" do not even appear in the U.S. Constitution.

The concept is enshrined in the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

The law isn't intended to keep you from imposing your religion on Congress. It's to protect you from having Congress impose their religion on you.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are straying far from the moral imperative for American Christians to participate in the political process.

I guess it depends on how much and how, and how far you are willing to go to participate in the political process. How much one is bound up in it all.

 

[Hazelelponi]

His commands are not burdensome sister, it's just a matter of yielding to the spirit, which the flesh sometimes hates to do because the flesh thinks that is lame.

It is troubling when Christians consider political things to be a holy war. That is a "Catholic" mindset.....aka of the flesh. Our weapons are not carnal.

I've done politics all my life...

I've not done God all my life.... That's new, and God is guiding me through. When something makes me question something I step back, pray, and research for my own conscious sake. I don't do things I believe are wrong or against God's will, ever.

I would imagine searching scriptures prayerfully is something every Christian who loves God has already done.

These are truly crazy times to become a Christian... Hahaha. Not only did the world turn upside down when I was saved, there was almost no time between that and the world loosing its ever loving mind...

I mean... Seriously... Lol. I feel like an alien on an alien planet now: a planet that neither understands me nor I understand it.

 

[Mr E]

I mean... Seriously... Lol. I feel like an alien on an alien planet now: a planet that neither understands me nor I understand it.

The best possible evidence of a changed life!

 

[Hazelelponi]

The best possible evidence of a changed life!

You know I never thought of it like that... I always just put it on God being mind-blowing and just having a hard time wrapping my brain around the new reality... But it could be evidence of a changed life too, the world is definitely not a homey little place anymore... Hahaha

 

[Lizbeth]

You are straying far from the moral imperative for American Christians to participate in the political process.

As Big Boy Johnson has asked several times....where are those scrips that command believers to be involved in politics? I don't know if you are familiar with where in at least one of the gospels, it talks about how the people tried to crown Jesus king.......hard to think of being more politically participating and involved than being king....just think of all the good He could have done for Israel......but He FLED that temptation! He high-tailed it outta there in a hurry.......because it was NOT THE FATHER'S WILL. It was a way that seemeth right to man.

 

[Mr E]

You know I never thought of it like that... I always just put it on God being mind-blowing and just having a hard time wrapping my brain around the new reality... But it could be evidence of a changed life too, the world is definitely not a homey little place anymore... Hahaha

That spirit within you, that dwells in you-- is not from around here. Immigrant.

 

[Mr E]

As Big Boy Johnson has asked several times....where are those scrips that command believers to be involved in politics? I don't know if you are familiar with where in at least one of the gospels, it talks about how the people tried to crown Jesus king.......hard to think of being more politically participating and involved than being king....just think of all the good He could have done for Israel......but He FLED that temptation! He high-tailed it outta there in a hurry.......because it was NOT THE FATHER'S WILL. It was a way that seemeth right to man.

What do you think Jesus was doing when he confronted the religious leaders?

The idea that you don't recognize that as being active in politics is mind blowing.

For example-- King Herod. Ya know?..... the guy who built the temple?

Do you see him as a religious leader, or a political leader..... or both?

 

[Lizbeth]

I've done politics all my life...

I've not done God all my life.... That's new, and God is guiding me through. When something makes me question something I step back, pray, and research for my own conscious sake. I don't do things I believe are wrong or against God's will, ever.

I would imagine searching scriptures prayerfully is something every Christian who loves God has already done.

These are truly crazy times to become a Christian... Hahaha. Not only did the world turn upside down when I was saved, there was almost no time between that and the world loosing its ever loving mind...

I mean... Seriously... Lol. I feel like an alien on an alien planet now: a planet that neither understands me nor I understand it.

Praise the Lord for your salvation! We are strangers/pilgrims in a strange world. But just try to picture how the early church were in their world at the time.....persecuting religious on the one hand and utterly pagan debauched world on the other hand. It's actually for our spiritual good not to be too comfortable here, and this life will pass by very quickly anyhow. You be encouraged sister...God bless you.

 

[Naomanos]

hurry.......because it was NOT THE FATHER'S WILL

Could that be because His Father's will was for Him to be crucified for the forgiveness of sins. If He wasn't crucified, where would we be now?

That doesn't mean that we cannot vote in elections because at that moment in time, God's will was for Him to be crucified.