Trump is dangerous - a Messianic Complex

[amigo de christo]

America has been under judgement my whole life... you know your being judged when people are given over to their sins. Romans 1:24-28

The Spirit which restrains is being taken out of the way here in America.

My whole life we've seen it. As an unbeliever myself I just didn't recognize it as a specific judgement until I believed in Christ.

"The sad fact is that sometimes God gives us what we want. God allowed the Israelites who rebelled to reap the natural consequences of their choice: “But my people would not listen to me; Israel would not submit to me. So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices” (Psalm 81:11–12). In Romans 1, Paul shows how the wicked made a choice to reject God, and that choice set them on a downward spiral of increasing darkness and decreasing hope. As the godless run farther and farther from God, God intervenes less and less. The Spirit’s restraint of sin is a blessing, and if that restraint is removed, all wickedness follows.

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I agree people need to examine themselves.

America and the nations have indeed been given unto a delusion of reprobation of minds under guise it is love .
Yes indeed . TRUMP aint gonna save us from that . The man supports and agrees with the many path syndrome crap .
He sat under norman vincent peal . HIS OWN ADMISSION , HIS OWN MOUTH said so .
HE also on stage in the twenty sixteen running , said what even some others who were at the time running against him would not dare even say . AND HE DID IT on stage before all . AND STILL the man was cheered on .
It aint looking good my friend . I examined that man well . I did not do as the many
who either took the word of media that was agaisnt trump , nor did i take the word of the many nar ones who supported him .
ME DID MY OWN HOMEWORK . I did my own examinination of the man .
YOU ALL should have done the same . But no , the churches of the evangelical realm and liberal realm
march on to the tune of thier prophets and whom their leaders point them too . THIS LAMB GONNA DO NO SUCH THING .
FACT . UNDER TRUMP the nation would do better financially than under BIDEN .
FACT , The liberal agenda is of satan .
Fact , Under biden policies of finincial advice america will do worse .
BUT UNDER BOTH , THIS TOO IS A FACT , SIE AGENDA WILL BE DONE .
Now for a stark and serious reminder .
HAD you been in germany in the days of hitler you would have seen great hope in that man .
AT LEAST AT THE FIRST YOU WOULD HAVE . You and the nar prophets would have cheered the lets make germany great
again motto as HITLER himself GAVE GREAT PROSPERITY unto the nation .
ONLY , They were so blinded by the so called good he did that they could not see the man for what HE WAS .
And early on those who saw him for what he was , THE CHURCHES under the hope of prosperity were fast TO SHUT DOWN
them voices , cause all they saw was the GOOD OF HIS PROSPERITY . TOO LITTLE TOO LATE some finally woke up and
saw him for what he was , BUT IT WAS TOO LATE . JUDGMENT was already UPON THEM .
HITLER was their hope , HE WAS THEIR SNARE , and THE PRICE was DESTRUCTION .
IF OUR HOPES ARE IN MEN who just cause they can prosper a country finicially , WE IN DIRE TROUBLE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sister, it's in every individual's heart who their god or God is. Overall, it isn't looking good. Are believers in large numbers stopping their sinning and putting away their idols and fearing God again? If they were, we would be seeing the outward circumstances improve instead of getting worse. What most are doing instead is hoping politics will save them from God's judgment.

And yet the only thing that would save them from THE JUDGMENT would have been repentance .
but as you said , many wont repent of the sin and rather they look for anyone who can give them hope .
THERE WILL BE NO HOPE , if our hope be in men .
THERE will be no staying of the judgment that is and is to come if repentance is not made .
so allow me some parting words and i hope these words sink deep into the hearts of men .
CURSED is he whose hope is in man , BLESSED is HE whose HOPE IS IN GOD .

 

[Hazelelponi]

TRUMP aint gonna save us from that

Trump is a politician running for office. He's already shown us in action that he is willing to work towards positive public policy. That's what people expect. That's it.

As for your Norman character I don't know who that is.

I'm not voting for Trump because I think he's a great Christian man. I don't even think he's a Christian actually: though I am not going to judge him yea or nay, only God can do that.

I am literally voting for him because he has good policies and will act on them once in office.

Not because I think he can change sin in the world, only God can do that.

Perhaps it's you trying to judge hearts you've never even seen that's the issue here. And not people who are exercising the rights granted to them as citizens in the nation.

 

[amigo de christo]

Trump is a politician running for office. He's already shown us in action that he is willing to work towards positive public policy. That's what people expect. That's it.

As for your Norman character I don't know who that is.

I'm not voting for Trump because I think he's a great Christian man. I don't even think he's a Christian actually: though I am not going to judge him yea or nay, only God can do that.

I am literally voting for him because he has good policies and will act on them once in office.

Not because I think he can change sin in the world, only God can do that.

Perhaps it's you trying to judge hearts you've never even seen that's the issue here. And not people who are exercising the rights granted to them as citizens in the nation.

then its time our hope got back on Christ again and the gospel preached again .
I aint worried about my rights . I am far more concerned with what GOD sees as right .

 

[Hazelelponi]

then its time our hope got back on Christ again and the gospel preached again .
I aint worried about my rights . I am far more concerned with what GOD sees as right

One of your rights in this country include the right to preach and teach the Gospel to others and the right to live in accordance with your faith.

So if you're hoping to do that in the future without fines, jail time, and with your livelihood in tact one would think that it would concern you somewhat.

If not for you then for your brethren in faith.

Persecution isn't some really cool thing. It's real physical pain, emotional trauma, real people suffering all around you.. and you, suffering all the same unable to help yourself, let alone someone else.

Yes .. God is there, but He is everywhere, in the good and the bad of life. It's only people's eyes that are broken.

 

[amigo de christo]

One of your rights in this country include the right to preach and teach the Gospel to others and the right to live in accordance with your faith.

So if you're hoping to do that in the future without fines, jail time, and with your livelihood in tact one would think that it would concern you somewhat.

If not for you then for your brethren in faith.

Persecution isn't some really cool thing. It's real physical pain, emotional trauma, real people suffering all around you.. and you, suffering all the same unable to help yourself, let alone someone else.

Yes .. God is there, but He is everywhere, in the good and the bad of life. It's only people's eyes that are broken.

under the religious pope francis donald trump supported , tolerance acts , MY RIGHTS wont be defended
rather the merged all inclusive religons and rainbows will come rein protected

 

[amigo de christo]

One of your rights in this country include the right to preach and teach the Gospel to others and the right to live in accordance with your faith.

So if you're hoping to do that in the future without fines, jail time, and with your livelihood in tact one would think that it would concern you somewhat.

If not for you then for your brethren in faith.

Persecution isn't some really cool thing. It's real physical pain, emotional trauma, real people suffering all around you.. and you, suffering all the same unable to help yourself, let alone someone else.

Yes .. God is there, but He is everywhere, in the good and the bad of life. It's only people's eyes that are broken.

The religious tolerance act of the vatican and francis will not , i repeat will not support the rights of a TRUE christain .
ONLY the rights of inclusive get along embrace sin and other paths so called christain .
YOU should have read the fine print .
OH we got the right to believe and pratice our faith all right , SO LONG as what we say and teach n preach
DONT OFFEND some other group . OOPSY . ITS A SNARE . its a snare all right .
THEY COMING for lambs like me as they continue to only merge the religoins unto their rainbow covenant .
YOU SHOULD have read it . IT also has instruction that we are too also find common ground
with all religoins . OOPSY, ITS A DEATH SENTENCE that many hope in cause many just want to be and feel safe
THEY DONT CARE about the PREACHING OF TRUTH anymore . ITS JUST , OH HOW can i survive in this world
and avoid persecutions . BAD NEWS .

 

[Naomanos]

lambs like me

If you have to constantly say this, I wonder who you're trying to convince, us or yourself.

I don't see anyone else who constantly says this like you do.

 

[amigo de christo]

If you have to constantly say this, I wonder who you're trying to convince, us or yourself.

I don't see anyone else who constantly says this like you do.

most wont warn out against the delusion of the inclusion either . seems BOTH sides are agreeing on that lie more and more daily .
Funny . that while biden and trump , trump and obama all seemed to be on opposing sides
YET BOTH SALUTE THAT LIE .
Folks , we gettting duped and not just by the politicans but by many leaders in many churches too .
You will all unite in time as one under what you all think is love and is unity and common ground will be found
in all religoins as they and the world merge as one under what they think is love and GOD . ONLY IT AINT . so sorrowful
is my heart for so many .

 

[Naomanos]

most wont warn out against the delusion of the inclusion either . seems BOTH sides are agreeing on that lie more and more daily .
Funny . that while biden and trump , trump and obama all seemed to be on opposing sides
YET BOTH SALUTE THAT LIE .
Folks , we gettting duped and not just by the politicans but by many leaders in many churches too .
You will all unite in time as one under what you all think is love and is unity and common ground will be found
in all religoins as they and the world merge as one under what they think is love and GOD . ONLY IT AINT . so sorrowful
is my heart for so many .

And as usual you completely miss the point.

 

[Grailhunter]

You know what I find amusing, is that the set of beliefs you largely group together as "Calvinist" is the very set of beliefs that made all protestants, Protestant and not Catholic in the first place.

Have you ever seen a sign on a church that says Calvinist or Calvinism? If you have seen one, send me a picture….Otherwise beware of Calvinism.

Calvinism is in no way the foundation of Protestantism…..no more than the Catholics are the foundation of Christianity. And when someone says the word Calvinism, that does not refer to one religious belief, there is more than one. John Calvin did not believe everything that modern Calvinism believes and as I said there are more than one set of beliefs regarding Calvinism. It is almost like a game of Whack-a-mole.

You might find a First Baptist Church in your town but you are probably not likely to find the First Calvinist Church anywhere, meaning a church that has a sign out front that says Calvinism. I have yet to see any in five countries. Same thing goes if you trying to find the Calvinist Headquarters or central committee. Calvinism has always been an infiltrator of churches and denominations. There are a lot of denominations that are dealing with this now. Now a days you are not going to be able to attend a Calvinist's convention because there are none, but the Southern Baptists do have conventions. And at these conventions many expressed concerns with the infiltration of Calvinists in their congregations.

Why John Calvin Is Shaking Things Up For Southern Baptists.

I was actually invited to debate this with some Calvinists at a Baptist church that was under siege. They get their foot in the door on the premise that God is Almighty and can make anything happen and most would agree with this….but “can make” is the truth. God does have the power in one way or another to make things happen. The difference between the truth and the lie is that God has the power to predestine, as opposed to the Calvinist’s doctrine of predestination that everything is predestined. Not that they just have one doctrine, which is another ploy.

Taking their doctrine to the extremes God decided how everything was going to happen before He created anything….Meaning He decided who was going to Heaven or Hell before He created anything. Meaning that there is no escape for those that were born to go to Hell. The belief is not only false….it is ludicrous. What would be the point? What satisfaction would God take if our faith in Him was forced? What satisfaction would God take if our worship of Him was forced? What satisfaction would God take if our love for Him was forced? The scriptures say there are so many ways we can please the Lord….how could it be pleasing if He forced it?

Ultimately their beliefs serve those that want to edify themselves because they say they are the elect. Oh I am special! Look at me! And none of this means that God does not know what is going to happen….but there is a big difference between clairvoyance and predestination.

The truth is, reality is not an orchestrated play. For the most part we have free-will. We choose faith, faith in Christ…we choose to repent….we choose to be Baptized….we choose to participate in the Bread and Wine Ritual….we choose to follow the morals of the Word of God….we choose to be good and do good the best we can. We are not robots programmed before the beginning of time.

In application it can be very destructive for people and whole families. I have seen it happen. You take a family that is totally devoted to God….Mom and dad and kids are into church functions and do all kinds of activities together and then some thing horrific happen like one of the parents dies….the father dies and the wife is left with nothing and loses everything…..God is against them so the kids go astray…..not by chance but because God made it happen…..killed the father and predestined the children to lose their religion and go astray. Why pray to God for help at that point? Whole families are destroyed by a very false belief.

Your best bet….reject Calvinism in any form.

The Johnny Appleseed of Truth

 

[Hazelelponi]

Have you ever seen a sign on a church that says Calvinist or Calvinism?

Perhaps that's because John Calvin is simply a man who absolutely no one follows and most haven't even read or heard taught in their churches?

The term Calvinist is a derogatory one so-called by the enemies of the people who hold to a reformed soteriology....

Like any other teacher or preacher of the Gospel, while what preachers say might be educational, they are not the Scriptures, nor are they equal to the scriptures so they aren't preached.

And I've heard many quotes from many historical pastors and people quoted from the pulpit as some kind of educational side bar to the sermon, but never heard a quote yet from John Calvin.

The fact is, the only people who have much to say about John Calvin at all are people who hate reformed soteriology...

And I'm pretty sure the argument over reformed soteriology is not in this particular thread.

But if you start it I'll share the link with my brothers and if they feel like the merry go round they'll respond.. how's that?

I do caution you the same merry go round is tiresome to everyone... Perhaps you might like to start with Wayne Grudem's systematic theology instead?

Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, Second Edition

If you are someone who thinks theology is hard to understand or boring, then this second edition of Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem will likely change your mind. Each chapter of this most popular systematic text of the last 25 years has been thoroughly revised, updated, and expanded, while...

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^^^ that's the second edition, I have the first edition but I'm sure it's not that much different.

It's a good systematic theology to read if you're interested in reformed theology.

 

[Lizbeth]

It's the weaponization of Christianity.

The far left does it politically all the time.

Don't want open immigration because it's bad for everyone affected? We must be evil Christians who just need to love our neighbors better... Lol..

Want to vote for someone who will uphold the law? How dare us! He's not the Pastor of their church! How can we call ourselves Christian!

Want to see murderers and pedophiles behind bars? How dare us not be forgiving!

It's just the weaponization of the Christian faith for political purposes... In this case, it's just to stop people from voting for someone who's good for our national sovereignty.. cause you know...

Here is where I believe we need to distinguish/separate the church from state/government. Distinguish between the holy and the profane (common). It's hard to reconcile the kind of sword that has been given by God in His sovereign rule to governments, and the very different kind of "sword" that He has given to the church.

We as the church are not children of the old covenant of laws and punishments. Activities in that arena belong to the realm of profane/common/secular. We are to be children of mercy, and activities belonging to that realm are holy......and pleasing to the Lord...and we want to please Him as our commanding officer who calls us to a different kind of battle, not the world's kind.

God's wisdom and instruction is that we may use the things of this world as long as we are not enamored with them, making idols of them, placing our love and trust in them. I personally think it's ordinarily ok to vote for elected officials and call on government to do their job properly, write a letter to your elected representatives if you think it would be helpful, etc..... as long as those things are in their proper place in our hearts, and we are not entangled with them, and we're not compromising our faith and conscience. That is where we need to examine our hearts.......whether we're becoming entangled with civil affairs of this life, or enamored with anyone or anything having to do with this world. If brethren are attacking each other and dividing over politics, and if we're getting all agitated and worked up over politics.....that is not good. Are we in the flesh or in the spirit with these things?

 

[rebuilder 454]

many will be shocked one day indeed my friend . When they realize that to hope and trust in men was indeed futile
as both sides led them to the final solution which is and has been at work already .
This world and the nations of it have surrendered all unto a hope that cannot save or deliver them
for it is that very hope they put their hope into that led them all to a strong delusion to believe a lie .
What is , what has been , that which is of anti christ now surges throughout the hearts of the leaders o this world
and both sides do its bidding and soon all , not in the lambs book of life will unify in heart under the lie
that though it promised them peace n safety and hollered love and unity non stop
will not deliver them from the SUDDEN DESTRUCTION that is to COME upon them all .
Trump has bowed before its ROD as has BIDEN and the liberals . THEY SUCKLE from the teets o the whore now
and gulp down its milk and milk out those paps to the full .
And then sell the milk of the whore in different ways unto both SIDES .

no
They hate trump because he wont play ball with the evil that is destroying our country.
The only theocracy with a perfect man rulership happens in the mil.
Till then..Trump and maga.
Its like some people think america turning communist is better than orange man since orange man is not perfect.

It is as if people have lost all discernment

 

[rebuilder 454]

This backwards attitude is baffling to me.

Well-meaning, good Christian folks who want everyone to just throw up their hands and opt out. Give up. Let things be.

It's insanity and self-defeating-- because it perpetuates the very thing they moan and groan about-- the condition of the world. Yet they won't lift a finger to fix it. They won't try to improve it-- because well.... the world isn't going to change.

Not with that attitude it won't.

We elect lawmakers to represent our interests. When you don't act, others elect folks who represent their interests, which are often in direct interest to your good sense and sensibilities. Often in direct opposition to your values, and principles and purpose. Anti-christ. But you let them have their way-- and they keep marching along unimpeded by you. Shame on your disinterested hatred of them and that fate you seal upon them.

Why have police officers? The world isn't going to change-- it's just going to get worse and worse right to its end, so why have any police officers at all, that are just in the way of violent murderers, thieves and rapists? Isn't this your attitude? And indeed-- those you will not stand up to oppose would actually want to do away with law enforcement and prosecution-- and you, by your inaction are aiding and abetting these very lawbreakers and those who are voting to defund the police. Well done. Mission accomplished.

Just sit back and expect things to get worse-- they will. Because of you.

In fact, they are worse than the evil because they have a hand in promoting it by hoping Trump loses.

It is absolutely crazy

 

[rebuilder 454]

America and the nations have indeed been given unto a delusion of reprobation of minds under guise it is love .
Yes indeed . TRUMP aint gonna save us from that . The man supports and agrees with the many path syndrome crap .
He sat under norman vincent peal . HIS OWN ADMISSION , HIS OWN MOUTH said so .
HE also on stage in the twenty sixteen running , said what even some others who were at the time running against him would not dare even say . AND HE DID IT on stage before all . AND STILL the man was cheered on .
It aint looking good my friend . I examined that man well . I did not do as the many
who either took the word of media that was agaisnt trump , nor did i take the word of the many nar ones who supported him .
ME DID MY OWN HOMEWORK . I did my own examinination of the man .
YOU ALL should have done the same . But no , the churches of the evangelical realm and liberal realm
march on to the tune of thier prophets and whom their leaders point them too . THIS LAMB GONNA DO NO SUCH THING .
FACT . UNDER TRUMP the nation would do better financially than under BIDEN .
FACT , The liberal agenda is of satan .
Fact , Under biden policies of finincial advice america will do worse .
BUT UNDER BOTH , THIS TOO IS A FACT , SIE AGENDA WILL BE DONE .
Now for a stark and serious reminder .
HAD you been in germany in the days of hitler you would have seen great hope in that man .
AT LEAST AT THE FIRST YOU WOULD HAVE . You and the nar prophets would have cheered the lets make germany great
again motto as HITLER himself GAVE GREAT PROSPERITY unto the nation .
ONLY , They were so blinded by the so called good he did that they could not see the man for what HE WAS .
And early on those who saw him for what he was , THE CHURCHES under the hope of prosperity were fast TO SHUT DOWN
them voices , cause all they saw was the GOOD OF HIS PROSPERITY . TOO LITTLE TOO LATE some finally woke up and
saw him for what he was , BUT IT WAS TOO LATE . JUDGMENT was already UPON THEM .
HITLER was their hope , HE WAS THEIR SNARE , and THE PRICE was DESTRUCTION .
IF OUR HOPES ARE IN MEN who just cause they can prosper a country finicially , WE IN DIRE TROUBLE .

That is like me comparing good pastors to jim jones.
Hey, after all, look at the similarities.
I hope you wake up

 

[Hazelelponi]

I just want to give people who don't know me a heads up, but when I point out a book suggestion - anywhere on the forum - for people to read, it's because I own them, have read them, have found the content accurate and recommendable,

I don't suggest books that are not affordable for what they are. I keep my recommendations to affordable, easy to find items that a student of Scripture would find a worthy investment.

And that also means I don't argue with uninterested parties not because I don't know my faith (I did point out I just love doctrine) its because I love God too much to watch people slander His Name for fun.

It's still crazy to me, how people can go from being normal to spitting hateful if you tell them God is sovereign... I don't get that myself. I love Him.

 

[Wrangler]

Doesn't your pastor teach to be separate from the world?

No! Such a thought contradicts The Great Commission.

 

[Lizbeth]

no
They hate trump because he wont play ball with the evil that is destroying our country.
The only theocracy with a perfect man rulership happens in the mil.
Till then..Trump and maga.
Its like some people think america turning communist is better than orange man since orange man is not perfect.

It is as if people have lost all discernment

What if we are in the mil. now brother? Hasn't Christ been ruling & reigning ever since His resurrection when all power in heaven and earth was given to Him at that time? That is why the scripture says Christ must rule until all enemies have been put under His feet. All things have been put under Him, but we just do not yet "see" all things put under.

Satan's kingdom (this world) is divided against itself.. But option #3 is that the Lord is on His throne and is directing events of this age to their final conclusion, and in His timing too. I'm going with option #3 and recommend everyone do the same.

 

[Lizbeth]

No! Such a thought contradicts The Great Commission.

No it doesn't. We are clearly instructed to not be yoked with unbelievers but to come out from among them, for what fellowship does Christ have with Belial? Friendship with the world is enmity with God. The "adults" in the airplane have to make sure they have their own oxygen mask on straight, first, if they are going to be of any help to the "children" with putting theirs on. If they don't they could all die, children and adults together. Beware of ways that seemeth right to man but leads to death....it's a false righteousness, not of God, but of self.