Trump is dangerous - a Messianic Complex

[Ziggy]

You believe they would act openly evil if they were not confident now of their capacity to rig elections?

I have a friend who no longer believes our country's problems can be resolved through the ballot box.

Even the Democrats are saying they believe Trump is going to win the next election.
I believe they have AI in their back pocket.
Could it be another "Red wave" ? Getting everyone's hopes up just to watch them fall, again?
I don't know.
We'll just have to wait and see.
I believe Trump will be elected the next President.
But between now and then we're going to go through hell.

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Mar 23 2019 19:06:10 (EST)
The calm before the storm?
What happens when a blockade (threat) is dismantled & removed?
“You’ll find out.”
Children used as shields (manufactured crimes of perjury)?
FIRE AT WILL, COMMANDER.
Q

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I have a friend who no longer believes our country's problems can be resolved through the ballot box.

They cannot, even if Trump wins the election and repubs gain a super majority in both houses of Congress... if that were to happen, very little would actually change.

 

[Wrangler]

I think the real question is why people are threatened by Trump.

Globalists correctly identify his Nationalism as an existential threat. If every country decides what’s in their own best interest, the globalist are out of business.

They will fight to the death to stop him. A prophecy is that there will be an assassination attempt on Trump before the election, but he will survive and win.

 

[amigo de christo]

My remark is in no way racist, it is true, I am an Evangelical Christian and Evangelist, I am of Creek heritage and Black, in my community the majority does not support this idiot, and I'm so glad to know that only a small percentage of white evangelicals do, however with that being said I'm not sure that percentage is even Christians. This foul mouth, thief, two-timing, rapist, unapologetic fool should in no way be held up to the world as being Christ like. Come on now these labels liberals, democrats, republicans is not worth lowering your standards, BEFORE YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO BE SAVED!

You beat a good drum my friend but YOU FORGOT TO ALSO warn aganist ol evil joe and the progressive liberal agenda .
ME THINKS it is TIME and HIGH TIME to DUMP all hope in them politicians . Get back to the bible
and let us be learning that book well . cause CURSED is the man whose hope is in men .
Trump is no christain . BIDEN sure as heck aint either . this lamb choses no evil .
nor will i sit at the devils table of the all inclusive rainbow holding and koran and other religoin accepting INCLUSIVE PILE .
WE ALL GETTING DUPE dude . TIME we come OUT OF THEM places and get back to the bible and get us some good ol
house churches going again . TIME to make biblical correction great again .

 

[Ziggy]

Globalists correctly identify his Nationalism as an existential threat. If every country decides what’s in their own best interest, the globalist are out of business.

They will fight to the death to stop him. A prophecy is that there will be an assassination attempt on Trump before the election, but he will survive and win.

Is this what the anti-christ looks like?

Hugs

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Just like the tactic of a Communist Nation would and did do in fact, when one knows History !

 

[Hazelelponi]

You beat a good drum my friend but YOU FORGOT TO ALSO warn aganist ol evil joe and the progressive liberal agenda .
ME THINKS it is TIME and HIGH TIME to DUMP all hope in them politicians . Get back to the bible
and let us be learning that book well . cause CURSED is the man whose hope is in men .
Trump is no christain . BIDEN sure as heck aint either . this lamb choses no evil .
nor will i sit at the devils table of the all inclusive rainbow holding and koran and other religoin accepting INCLUSIVE PILE .
WE ALL GETTING DUPE dude . TIME we come OUT OF THEM places and get back to the bible and get us some good ol
house churches going again . TIME to make biblical correction great again .

I slightly disagree with you here. But only slightly.

If we, as Christians, truly love our neighbors, and if we are Christians we do, we aren't just going to ignore the fact that there are very real political needs people have right now that, if we were to ignore, would be the equivalent of walking by the unclean man who was beaten, robbed, and naked lying in the ditch and leaving him for dead.

God is always first, but on this earth God has also given governments authority. There is a prescription for that government that we, as Christians, understand is best for all those under them, and I believe we have a responsibility to try and get the naked, injured, broken man to the inn to get him looked after.

We can't ignore people's earthly needs in favor of being extra righteous in our own eyes. We can't shun politics just because it's dirty. We have to be the light where there is darkness.

And if we do it right, the world will hate us. Look around. They're starting to hate us. I suppose that means even there in that dirty world, we are starting to shine.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

We can't ignore people's earthly needs in favor of being extra righteous in our own eyes.

So post up scriptures from the New Testament that command Christians to put politics above the Gospel that say we are responsible for saving or changing nations thru secular politic systsms... after Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36)

 

[Hazelelponi]

to put politics above the Gospel

Excuse me, but exactly where did I say that?

Anywhere?

Don't accuse me of what I neither said, nor implied.

When the New Testament was inspired, no one common had any legal say about the government, and in fact going against the government was to sign your own death warrant, and many Christians died because to be Christian was to stand against the existing government of the day.

Christians were a political challenge to the existing order of that day. It's why they were killed.

Yet even back then, we were taught that the governments were created by God. Governments are not above God, but they have a specific purpose on earth, a purpose given to them by God. (1 Peter 2:13-14)

Today the past has been flipped on it's head more or less. With the spread of the Christian faith, Christians tried to create a national order that honored God's order of man and government. Our entire national foundation is one based on everything we have been taught in the Christian faith.

With a decline in Christianity, the world is at the door, trying to beat it down because they hate God's order for man and government. They want a king over them who isn't God.

SO where does the Bible say we should throw up our hands and let them just have it?

We stand between them and hell... Both spiritually and in the flesh.

Where does God say to get out of the way?

Didn't the Lord say He would save Sodom for the sake of 50 righteous? (Genesis 18:26)

I believe the Christian worldview has worth.. and that worth is worth fighting for, for the sake of the righteous and of the unrighteous.

If God allows our defeat then into the way of persecution we go, and into hell they go, but I don't think God wants us to just throw up our hands and embrace defeat without challenge.

Is their soul more important than whether they create a communist society here? Of course... And we can reach their soul while being persecuted the same as we can reach it now. .

It's to God to decide which way is better though. And ours to fight for His way of life.

 

[Wrangler]

If we, as Christians …

We can't ignore people's earthly needs in favor of being extra righteous in our own eyes. We can't shun politics just because it's dirty.

A fundamental point that I have made is juxtaposed with ‘we, as Christians’ with we, as Americans …

We, as Americans have a duty as citizens to stewart our government. We, as Americans, have no moral obligation to obey immoral laws, as MLK taught.

Plato wrote in 380 BC of the futility of law; good men don’t need them and bad men don’t obey morally just laws.

Regarding people’s Earthly needs, government has gone far beyond their proper role in this regard, which is limited to peace, security, order and prosperity.

Peace is in our representatives acting on the will of their constituents. See legal immigration.

Security (lack there of) is seen in the invaders at the southern border.

The simplicity of order is seen in the effectiveness of green, yellow and red lights.

Prosperity is seen in not taking the fruit of labor in free trade. See highest tax rates in world and Houthi rebels disrupting merchant ships in the Red Sea. See unfair trade with China. See giving 20% of uranium to Russia.

Regarding charity cases, people who need charity should not look to coercive agents of government but their own family, neighbor and church.

 

[Lizbeth]

I slightly disagree with you here. But only slightly.

If we, as Christians, truly love our neighbors, and if we are Christians we do, we aren't just going to ignore the fact that there are very real political needs people have right now that, if we were to ignore, would be the equivalent of walking by the unclean man who was beaten, robbed, and naked lying in the ditch and leaving him for dead.

God is always first, but on this earth God has also given governments authority. There is a prescription for that government that we, as Christians, understand is best for all those under them, and I believe we have a responsibility to try and get the naked, injured, broken man to the inn to get him looked after.

We can't ignore people's earthly needs in favor of being extra righteous in our own eyes. We can't shun politics just because it's dirty. We have to be the light where there is darkness.

And if we do it right, the world will hate us. Look around. They're starting to hate us. I suppose that means even there in that dirty world, we are starting to shine.

"Good" is often the enemy of that which is "perfect" sister. Good is the deceptive part of good and evil and can seemeth so right to us. We need to be led by the SPIRIT, not by what seemeth right to us.

Jesus did not engage in political activism....on the contrary, He FLED that. The early church didn't engage in it either. The only thing scripture tells us regarding governments is that we should pray for them and submit to their laws for God's sake.. Doesn't mean someone can't hold down a job in government and if you happen to, conduct yourself in a manner worthy of the Lord....eg, tax collectors and soldiers that Jesus instructed how to conduct themselves. Otherwise, we are to live above the strifes of this world. Political circumstances are just a symptom of an underlying cause....reaping the consequences of spiritual sickness....and that is what we need to concern ourselves with. Gospel is the only cure for that.

Can't escape this feeling that American evangelicals are choosing Barabbas here. What was wrong with Ron DeSantis...thought he had even proved himself. I am worried that Trump fever is leading to Temple fever. People are being caught up in something that is not of God where DT is concerned. Though it deceptively might seem to be. It's one thing to just have a political opinion, but feverish fervor is another thing altogether.

 

[Spyder]

WOW! That is the reasoning that has invited the world into the present day churches, and the reason the west is in the sad shape we're in today! So, we are to adopt the word filth of the world in order to relate to them? I don't find the scripture anywhere teaching that.

Somehow, I don't see her post calling for profanity. I'm able to talk to everyone with it.

 

[Wrangler]

"Good" is often the enemy of that which is "perfect" sister ... What was wrong with Ron DeSantis

DeSantis is good. I think you answered your own question. Now is not the time for DeSantis. 2028 will be his time.

 

[Lizbeth]

DeSantis is good. I think you answered your own question. Now is not the time for DeSantis. 2028 will be his time.

I think you are misunderstanding something. I wasn't talking about DeSantis & DT with my good/perfect comment.

 

[BlessedPeace]

I support fully so much of the policy decisions President Trump has made and put into effect. I voted for him in 2016 and 2020 and also supported his Presidential run with money. His narcissism in the past I attributed to a sense of humor that was geared to tweak and arouse the anger of leftists and RINOs. Now I am seeing his narcissism has become solidly how he truly thinks. This is dangerous for his belief that he can never be wrong has gone to extreme. The following statements in that video are repulsive to me as a believer in Jesus the Christ, Jesus the Messiah sent to save his people:

“And on June 14, 1946, God looked down on his planned paradise and said, ‘I need a caretaker,’ so God gave us Trump.”

The Trump video includes repeated religious references and quotations from the Bible. A narrator describes Trump as one who “follow(s) the path and remain(s) strong in faith.”

Trump, "strong in the faith"???? The only faith Trump evidences is faith in himself, not faith in God or the American people. I do not like making a political commercial or whatever they call it, of a human being being described in like manner as when God the Father sent God the Son to earth to save his people. That seems blasphemous to my thinking.

In 2016 and 2020 I passed Trump off as our modern day Cyrus, not a child of God by faith in Christ, but he was used by God to make certain policy decisions to give opening for Christians to live and breathe freely under our government. His Roe Vs Wade view on appointing the 3 Supreme Court Justices was his greatest achievement; and, he did seem to try to stop the flow of illegals into the USA, with intense opposition by Leftists and de facto Communists in this country.

While Governor DeSantis is not great on a debate stage, nor is he an imposing presence; in Florida he did excellent work, and kept his finger on most things happening in the State. Governor DeSantis is fully conservative and effective in an executive position like Governor and President. I'll vote for DeSantis in the primary and hopefully in Nov. 2024; but I'm concerned Trump will win the nomination even with all the personal baggage he'll have. I'll end up either voting 3rd Party or not vote in the Presidential choice part of the ballot. There are two sayings I've considered: "Don't vote for the lesser of two evils for it is still evil"; or "Don't reject the good for an insistence on the perfect." I may not have the exact wording, but that is the substance.

In the past I could view Trump as our Cyrus, today I must reject him for his increased narcissism which has become extreme and no longer humorous. We can have good Christian and conservative values in Gov. Ron DeSantis without so much underlying wickedness. He has proven himself as an efficient executive in the State of Florida.

What video? There is not one in the OP. Perhaps add that to what you refer for context.

 

[Ziggy]

What video? There is not one in the OP. Perhaps add that to what you refer for context.

I think it was Post #15. But I'm not sure
hugs

 

[Lizbeth]

EG, I apologize for overlooking your points. I've been doing a lot of posting and spending time on writing each one the best that I know how.

NO, DEFINITELY NOT! I would never consider voting for a liberal Democrat because they have become de facto communists, even though they do not carry Party membership cards. I do hold to biblical standards. My choice has been and still is my Governor, Ron DeSantis. He has been a great governor and a good man. Yet, it seems Trump will be the nominee. Admittedly, this puts me in a difficult situation because I have come to dislike the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils.

If it turns out Trump against any Democrat, my hope is that Sen. Joe Manchin of my home State WV runs as 3rd Party. If you read about him on Wikipedia, you'll see he is a moderate Democrat who is more like Democrats of the past. Keep in mind, my first vote for President was for Sen. Barry Goldwater in 1964. :) I could vote for Manchin if I cannot vote for DeSantis. Even in my own household we do not agree on this topic, and it became so heated we had to set it aside as a topic of discussion. :)

I know that in God's plan, whoever ends up in the White House, will be according to His decree. God would have a purpose for letting a leftist win the White House. I am convinced that the USA is under the severe judgment of God and I do not see a repentance in the future. I watched a movie last night and was angrily shocked! The name Jesus Christ was paired with the vile "f" word. It made my skin crawl! So, I guess from now on I'll have to restrict my movies to those pre-1950! Maybe TCM is the answer and that is free.

I hope this clarifies my position.

Only one reason for choosing DT over DeSantis from what I can see. There is no "fever" surrounding DeSantis, while people are caught up in a "fever" where DT is concerned. That fever is not of God....it is an evil spirit....because of trusting in a man - aka idolatry! Guard your HEARTS people!

 

[Lizbeth]

BJJ, I agree completely. Trump making a big point of DeSantis being disloyal to himself because he helped DeSantis in his campaign, I find is narcissistic. The loyalty is to be to the nation, not to the person of Donald Trump. I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 but he turned me off initially in one of his rallies where he used the disgusting, vulgar and vile word "f...ing" and the so-called evangelical crowd cheered. I reject that sort of evangelical as well as Trump himself. His use of that word openly, in a rally, was all I needed to see the real Trump. If I have to, I'll not vote on the Presidential choice if Trump's opposition is just as bad.

There was a time in Christendom when character mattered in politics. Believers need to examine their hearts as to WHY they are willing to overlook things in DT that they never would have overlooked in other candidates in other times.

 

[Scott Downey]

Only one reason for choosing DT over DeSantis from what I can see. There is no "fever" surrounding DeSantis, while people are caught up in a "fever" where DT is concerned. That fever is not of God....it is an evil spirit....because of trusting in a man - aka idolatry! Guard your HEARTS people!

Since DeSantis is out, clearly if you do not want Biden to be elected, you vote for Trump. A non-vote favors Biden, too much election cheating from democrat operatives trying to sway elections their way.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Excuse me, but exactly where did I say that?

Anywhere?

Don't accuse me of what I neither said, nor implied.

You put politics up on the same level as they Gospel when you said this...

if we are Christians we do, we aren't just going to ignore the fact that there are very real political needs people have right now that, if we were to ignore, would be the equivalent of walking by the unclean man who was beaten, robbed, and naked lying in the ditch and leaving him for dead.

This is rather a ludicrous statement don't you think?

Especially considering Jesus said His Kingdom... is NOT of this world.

SO where does the Bible say we should throw up our hands and let them just have it?

Where does the Bible teach we are called to take over secular governments and make them Christian governments???

We stand between them and hell... Both spiritually and in the flesh.

That has nothing to do with secular government

Why don't you go out and witness to people in your area and make disciples?

Voting and campaigning for some candidate isn't something the Lord has called us to do as it is not part of the Gospel.

If God allows our defeat then into the way of persecution we go

There's always been persecution, and it has been increasing around the world for decades... when the one world government gets here most that cl;aim to be christians will get on bosrd the anti-christ train because they don't want to be persecuted and because all the big name preachers will claim the son of perdition is actually a blessing from God and we should get involved with him politically.

You should not be so fearful.