The "Israel of God" (as opposed to "Israel after the flesh') is already Christ's body on earth. I will just stick to the bible that indicates we are not to expect that His coming will be in a fleshly manner. It is this looking for earthly things that tripped up the Jews in the first century and caused them to reject Christ, and that is the same thing that will trip up many in the end of this age. This has always been a battle between flesh and spirit.
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Galgal
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The false thesis gives rise to the rest of the pile of lies in Christian theologies. When the Third Temple is built, all Christian theology will go bankrupt. This is described in Revelation as a series of "earthquakes."
The dispensationalist answer is that the millennial sacrifices will not be intended to atone for sins. The blood of Christ precludes any need for that.
Galgal
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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Matthew 5:17-19)
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
The very fact that Ezekiel's prophecy gives the exact dimensions of the future Temple indicates that these dimensions are given for us so that we can create an architectural design according to these dimensions and build this Temple. I finished working on the Temple design in the spring of 2020, the altar design was ready in 2021. Now we can build, the place for construction is free.
Without the Holy Spirit we would never have figured out Ezekiel's prophecy. God gave many hints before this project came into being. I know for sure that it is the Father's will for this Temple to be built.
Galgal
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The Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be visible. The Third Temple will be a visible sign of the Second Coming. The Body of Christ must be presented to this world, and this will happen when the elekt from the four winds enter the eastern gates, the whole world will see this "sign of the Son of Man". This will be the "lightning" of the Second Coming of Christ - not somewhere in secret rooms, but openly, before everyone.
The entire Revelation paints a picture of the INNER world. Ezekiel's prophecy about the Temple and the city of Yahweh Shammah paints a picture of the material world. The internal and the material are interconnected, but one does not replace the other. The city of Yahweh Shammah will be a projection of the New Jerusalem in this world.
I believe meeting the Lord in the air will be as it was in the days of Noah, pictured with Noah in the ark being lifted up "ABOVE the earth"....where our hopes and affections need to be. Jesus has defeated the prince of the power of the air and has had all authority in heaven and earth given or restored to Him as the last Adam. (The devil worketh illegally, as it were, but that will cease at the return of Christ.)
Galgal
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The flood and the ark are also a parable, an allegory.
There was no such flood in the material world, there was no material ark, and no biological species of animals were gathered there for salvation. It is all an allegory, like the New Jerusalem in Revelation.
Zion....heavenly Zion is "a very high mountain", because it is ABOVE. No earthly mountain is that high.
Well that temple might be built, as God allows man his way in many things. It's not easy to let go of and die out to things of earth, yet that is what we are called to.
Galgal
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Mount Zion is a symbol of Zionism. The Lamb Jesus stands on this "mountain" and gathers us to the historical, biblical homeland. Those who gave their lives to Jesus, did not defile themselves with "women", that is, do not follow the people around them - will be gathered in Israel.
And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's. (Obadiah 1:21)
When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man.
And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
(Zechariah 9:13,14)
Here is shown the conflict between the inertia of carnal thinking in Christianity and the living Word of God, which calls us to fulfill the prophecy of Ezekiel. Carnal Christianity is "Esau" and it is "Greece" (in the original - "Ionia", a region in Asia Minor). The chosen ones are the "sons of Zion".
The account of Noah and the flood actually happened, as the new testament affirms, but also there are aspects of the story that are allegorical. The animals do allegorically represent souls being saved, Jew and Gentile, clean and unclean animals.....like Peter's vision of the unclean animals represented Gentiles. But also Paul wrote that only 8 souls were saved out of the world from the flood in actual historical fact. There are other accounts of true events in the bible which contain allegories embedded in them, when it pleases the Lord to reveal them.
This is not a pile of lies:
Psa 51:16-17
For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Hos 6:6
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Mat 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mat 12:7
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Isa 66:1-4
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Galgal
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This is exactly how God feels about the sacrifices of those who continue to do their abominations. They think they can "buy off" the demands of a pesky God by paying him a tithe in their denomination. But God does not need such a tithe, He needs people to stop doing evil, stop lying, stop stealing, stop serving their idols, stop serving mammon (possessions).
This prophecy of Isaiah was during the time of the Temple, and Isaiah was not prophesying against the Temple, he was prophesying against the sinners in the Temple. Do you remember Isaiah's first prophecy, where he says that God hates the feasts? But God himself established these feasts! Isaiah is not prophesying against the feasts, but against violence, against oppression within God's people.
I read in the bible that the Law was "added" because of transgression..........in order to tutor Israel to Christ. It was meant to be temporary UNTIL He came. They were supposed to learn something from it........even the constant slaughtering, butchering and bloodshed of animals (yuck) in order to keep sinful people in good standing with a holy God was meant to be a wake-up call to the curse of death and misery that sin brought. As well as it foreshadowed in types the better covenant to come.
The verses I posted was the Lord showing those with eyes to see by faith, that there is a better way than slaughtering animals. How can anyone think He wants to go back to inflicting death on innocent animals and have a never ending river of animal blood? What for, when the Lamb of God has already been sacrificed once for all? Christ has come and He is not going to go back to what was an inferior covenant and could not take away sins. There will be no more death remember? It's the carnal man of flesh that prefers to serve God through carnal means to feel good about himself and convince himself of his righteousness. It's easier to follow a list of rules than it is to acknowledge the truth about ourselves and lay OUR life down on the altar and change inwardly.
Gal 4:3
Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:9
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
2Pe 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Thank you Lord for your word. May you keep us and deliver us from deceptions in these last days, amen. He is the only one who can.
I don't disagree with this. The church is in particularly bad shape these days....falling away. Sin in the camp.....and the false doctrines and deceptions which led to it.
Exactly. Wasn't this to teach the Israelites how the feasts and temple sacrifices weren't helping them with their sin problem? Something better was/is needed.
Galgal
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As in ancient times, the law will be returned because of lawlessness. For the carnal there will be a Third Temple with animal sacrifices to remind them of the sin of living according to the flesh. For the spiritual there will be the city of Yahweh Shammah, where there will be freedom to give oneself to Christ without being dependent on this world: even the food for the city will be produced by its own inhabitants, in a specially designated area.
The covenant of grace is broken by the appearance of the Lord God of Israel in the Third Temple:
And I took my staff Favor and cut it in pieces, to break my covenant which I had made with all the peoples. (Zechariah 11:10)
The will is valid only after the death of the testator. When the testator returns to earth alive, the will ceases to be valid.
Those who accepted the Lamb, sacrificed themselves to God, they will appear to receive a reward in the city of Yahweh Shammah. Those who lived for their own pleasure, buying off the demands of the Sermon on the Mount, paying 10% of their income to the treasury of the Babylonian harlot, will receive great sorrow. All is fair.
There will be no death for those who will be in the city of Yahweh Shammah. 2 billion carnal Christians will not get there. The city will be only for the resurrected tribes of Israel.
Those who have changed themselves internally will enter the eastern gate of the Third Temple before the 7th trumpet, and the rest of those who have changed internally, the wise virgins, will be caught up to the Lord in Israel after the 6th bowl of wrath. The participants of the Babylon of Christian denominations will perish in their error as a scapegoat.
The Galatians were concerned with the outward observance of the law. There is a difference between the observance of the law by the Jews who slaughtered the Passover lambs on Passover, and the observance of the law of Passover by Jesus who became the slain Lamb by dying on the cross on the day of Passover. The appearance of the saints in the Temple is not the blowing of the shofar, but the offering of themselves as a sacrifice to God. The building of the city of Yahweh Shammah is not the building of tabernacles for one week, but the resurrection of the Body of Christ. The Galatians sought simply to observe these feasts as the Jews did, and not as they would be fulfilled in the Body of Christ.
This is not about the physical heavens or the planet Earth. This is about the current religious world and the current ideas of people about heaven, when people place the wealth they seek in this heaven. The new heavens in humanity will appear when the world sees other people, saints, who have rushed after the Lamb to Mount Zion, entering the eastern gate of the Third Temple. Current Christianity will burn in fire for its iniquities.
Galgal
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Neither Isaiah nor Jesus ever preached against the law. Yes, they pointed out God's priorities: first reconcile with your brother, and then go and offer sacrifices. This will remain God's priorities.
The law will be restored in Israel to show the Jews and the world their own iniquities. The main type of sacrifice in the Third Temple will be peace offerings. The Israelites will come to the House of the Father to feel themselves as one people of God, so that within Israel there will be no divisions into different religious movements. Those Christians who have achieved unity of faith will be one people with the Jews.
Davy
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Even in The Old Testament, GOD declared there is no Savior but Himself.
So what do those who wrongly think The Godhead of 3 Persons means multiple Gods do with the following verses by GOD Himself?:
Isa 43:10-11
10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour.
KJV
Isa 45:15
15 Verily Thou art a God That hidest Thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
KJV
Isa 45:21
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside Me.
KJV
Ps 110:1
110 The LORD said unto my Lord, "Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
KJV
Jesus speaking to the blind Pharisees, quoting from Ps. 110:1...
Matt 22:42-45
42 Saying, "What think ye of Christ? whose son is He?" They say unto Him, "The Son of David."
43 He saith unto them, "How then doth David in spirit call Him Lord, saying,
44 'The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on My right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?'
45 If David then call Him Lord, how is He his son?"
KJV
Lord Jesus' flesh was born through the house of David, through the lineage Solomon's son Nathan (per Luke 3). That is how Jesus is the "son of David" like the Pharisees answered, because the flesh lineage of the house of David is where Messiah was prophesied to be born through (Matt.1:1; Isa.9:6; Isa.11; Jer.23:5; Jer.33:15; etc., etc.). Jesus' flesh body is what they pointed to when calling Him "son of David", because of His flesh descended from the lineage of David.
But with David calling Jesus "my Lord", and with The LORD (The Father) speaking to David's "Lord" (Jesus), that reveals Jesus of Nazareth as part of The Triune Godhead having come in the flesh.
Dan Clarkston
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The Law of Moses (OT) or the Law of Christ (NT)???
We know it's not the Law of Moses as the old covenant has been done away with....
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
In the New Testament... there is a new priesthood where Jesus is our High Priest instead of Moses and as such we are no longer under the law of Moses, but now we are under the Law of Christ.
In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.
Ultimately this means we are called to abide In Christ which is living after the Spirit and not after the flesh, or to be spiritually minded and not carnally minded (see Romans 8). As we see in Romans 8, to be spiritually minded is life and peace but to be carnally minded is death which is separation from the Lord.
Yes, AFTER Jesus returns to earth and starts His 1000 year reign
There is going to be a false temple that is not of God built in the last days that the man of sin will sit in proclaiming to be God... and many will bow down to the man of sin and take his mark and will spend eternity in hell for doing so.
Actually we return with Him and reign with Him for 1000 years... then the Lord burns up the earth and re-creates Heaven and earth and then He moves Heaven to earth
The gifts and callings of God are without repentance, so Jesus is forever in his glorified fleshly body
Eventually we will be just like Him also having a glorified fleshly body untouchable by death.
Woman should ask their husbands about these things so they can get a better understanding and single women should speak with their dad or their pastor.
The Word of God has already taken upon Himself flesh and now has a glorified fleshly body that He will remain in forever... the scares on his body from the crucifixion being visible forever as a memorial
Dan Clarkston
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In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.
Ultimately this means we are called to abide In Christ which is living after the Spirit and not after the flesh, or to be spiritually minded and not carnally minded (see Romans 8). As we see in Romans 8, to be spiritually minded is life and peace but to be carnally minded is death which is separation from the Lord.
Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
James 2:12
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
*Free as in no longer being a slave to sin, as in stop doing sinful things!
2 Peter 1:4-10
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. (*Notice what Paul said about his own body in 1 Corinthians 9:27)
Colossians 3:6-10
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Those that do not put on the New Man and quit walking after the flesh, the wrath of God comes upon them for their disobedience because God is NOT mocked, if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Things end very badly for those that do not obey the gospel.
Romans 11:19-25
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Law of Christ
The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6).
He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights.
By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou).
It seems fairly clear from these two texts that Paul uses the phrase to mean something other than the law given to Israel at Sinai and considered by most Jews to be their special possession.
Help is found in the prophets. In Isaiah 42:1-4 we read that God's chosen servant will one day establish justice throughout the earth and that "the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law" (NASB). If we take this passage to refer to the Messiah, then we could paraphrase it by saying that the Christ, when he comes, will teach God's law to the Gentiles ("the coastlands"). Jeremiah 31:31-34 similarly predicts the coming of a time in which disobedient Israel will receive a new covenant, consisting of a law written on the heart and therefore obeyed (cf. Ezek 36:26-27 ).
Jesus' teaching, although standing in continuity with the law given at Sinai, nevertheless sovereignly fashions a new law. In some instances Jesus sharpens commandments ( Matt 5:17-48 ) and in others considers them obsolete ( Mark 7:17-19 ). On one occasion, having been asked to identify the greatest commandment, Jesus concurs with the Jewish wisdom of his time ( Mark 12:32-33 ) that the greatest commandments are to love God supremely and to love one's neighbor as oneself ( Mark 12:28-31 ). He breaks with tradition, however, by defining the term "neighbor" to mean even the despised Samaritan ( Luke 10:29-37 ).
Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant ( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ).
In light of this, Paul understood the teaching of Christ as a new law. If so, then the correspondence between the ethical teaching of Jesus and Paul on many points (e.g., 1 Cor 7:10-11 / Mark 10:2-9 ; 1 Cor 9:14 / Luke 10:7 ; Rom 14:1-23 / Mark 7:18-19 ) is a matter of Paul's intention rather than happy accident. Paul's own admonition to fulfill the law of Christ by bearing one another's burdens provides both a pithy restatement of Jesus' summary of the law and an indication that Jesus' teaching fulfills prophetic expectations.
Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
I find your beliefs to be quite a hodge-podge. I assume you are expecting Jesus to rule and reign from that temple for a thousand years. According to scripture Jesus is ruling and reigning now….we are in the “thousand years is as a day” reign of Christ now (see 2 Peter 3). Now is the time of longsuffering and grace that we are to account as salvation (door open for souls to be saved). When Christ comes the wrath of God/Lamb falls on this world. All the wicked and unbelieving will be cast into the lake of fire….speaks of destruction and perishing...."fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in Hades". And it is at His coming also that Jesus will hand the kingdom back over to the Father, so there is not going to be a “thousand year” reign of Christ after this age – we are in it now. This is how I understand the scriptures.
1Co 15:23-28
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, (reigning now) till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (death and hell cast into the lake of fire at His coming)
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Galgal
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Yes, Jesus will rule for a thousand years with the saints. The Third Temple will be the place of God's throne forever. But God is not limited to one point in space. The city of Yahweh Shammah (translated as "the Lord is there") will be built in Israel. God's rule from the Temple and the city of Yahweh Shammah will not be like the rule of kings or the UN. There will be a country, Israel, where saints from all nations are gathered. These saints will be one people with the Jews. The city of Yahweh Shammah is needed to protect communication with the deceased saints from the rest of the world. The deceased saints will communicate in the forbidden city only with the Israelites from the tribes of Israel. Therefore, Israel will act as a mediator between God and the rest of humanity, it will act as the Messiah. Therefore, we can say that Israel will become the incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming.
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