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Yes, our own pride and vanity are big obstacles and barriers to becoming closer to God. Sadly, many fail to see those terrible qualities within themselves.
True or not? God is Jesus, but Jesus isn’t God.
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Yes, our own pride and vanity are big obstacles and barriers to becoming closer to God. Sadly, many fail to see those terrible qualities within themselves.
Galgal
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Tanakh is written in Hebrew. Any translation from Hebrew contains errors, because some things cannot be translated from Hebrew unambiguously. This is where the differences in the Bible translations come from, and these differences lead to misunderstandings of some points.
Theologians who understand the Scripture well and know Hebrew are necessary for the Church, but because there is a Body where there are different members of the Body, not everyone should be a theologian. Those who know more accurately correct those who understand the Scripture distortedly. This is achieved through interaction in the Body, into which we are baptized by the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, it is incorrect to say that the Holy Spirit alone does everything. The Holy Spirit uses the Scripture to give us the correct discernment of spirits. Without the Scripture, we would quickly become victims of deceiving spirits.
Therefore, now we need both the Scripture and knowledge of Hebrew - but not for all members of the Body, but only for those whom God has appointed for this.
As for the future, those Christians who will participate in the rapture of the Church will be joined to the Jewish people in Israel, and there knowledge of Hebrew will become mandatory for us, because it will be the language of our communication with each other. Some are learning Hebrew now, and doing well. Some do not have such an opportunity, and God will see to it that they learn Hebrew after the rapture to the Lord in Israel.
Taken
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Yes…Abraham Was Given Title Father of many Nations…
Because … While Nations are the makeup of A Citizenry of People…it is an individual…who elects to be included Within Christs Church citizenry…Recipients of the Lambs Baptism and Gods Seed… thus regardless of what Nation they abode…They have taken upon themselves…(Gentile or Not)… the Descendent-ship of Abraham (through) ISAAC the promised Son…and thus…entitled to be heirs to the Land “Promised” to Abraham…which also…is the same Land, from which Jesus’ 1,000 year Kingdom…shall encompass…and His Throne…the same everlasting Throne God Established and Gave to David and his direct line descendants.
Gal 3:
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Glory to God,
Taken
Oh yeah, oneness pentecostals thinks he has two divine fathers, God the Father and the Holy Spirit. luke 1
David in NJ
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My father-in-law AND our local chabad rabbi are 100% Jewish from both parents.
Both are very intelligent and knows Hebrew very well.
Their intelligence along with his Hebrew language knowledge CANNOT save them
They are in COMPLETE darkness of their DIRE NEED for Salvation even when reading the Holy Scriptures.
For a Born-Again saint it is imperative to use Strong's Concordance to look up words and their meaning such as 'God'.
In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part
God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
It is also IMPERATIVE to be Baptized in the Ruach HaKodesh and to be fully submitted unto Elohim = very very few do when studying scripture.
David in NJ
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Galgal
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When I first seriously turned to God in prayer asking for directions on where to find Him, He answered me with 3 things.
1. Everything written in the Bible is true.
2. Jesus Christ was here on earth as described in the New Testament.
3. In order to understand what is written in the Bible, I must pray and ask the Father in the name of Jesus Christ for the spirit of truth, without which I will not be able to understand what is written in the Bible.
I have kept this to this day.
Sometimes Strong's Dictionary is not enough. This applies to both Hebrew and Greek words. In addition, in some cases one has to deal with different versions of the Masoretic text and with different versions in the New Testament manuscripts.
David in NJ
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We are of the SAME mind and Spirit in everything you stated above.
i am not concerned of the manuscripts as my Heavenly FATHER had that cover since Day 1
Elohim FATHER Elohim WORD Elohim HOLY SPIRIT have it all under their Guardianship
Everyone needs to believe this = Matt 4:4 "man shall live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"
But did Jesus mean something other than what is written, where He said His kingdom is not of this world and comes not with our careful observation that we might say lo here it is or lo there? We need to really let that sink in and look at other scriptures in light of it.
Galgal
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The Kingdom of God does not really come to us in a visible way. A person wants to run somewhere where there is paradise. But a person needs to understand that paradise and hell are INSIDE him. Restoring the correct order within oneself, restoring the correct relationships with God and the people around us is what Jesus Christ points to.
But this internal change does not cancel the EXTERNAL events that will reflect the changes that have occurred within us. The sin of Judea caused the expulsion from the land of the covenant and the Babylonian captivity. The internal changes that occurred as a result of the suffering of captivity led to the repatriation of the Jews, to the construction of the Second Temple.
The rejection of Christ in the First Coming caused insane attempts to rebel against the Romans, which led to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.
Now the preaching of the Gospel has produced a certain fruit in human society, people have changed, but the world system remains the same. There must be a change in the world system, when people will regard not wealth, power or glory as high, but the values of the Kingdom of God: righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. This spiritual revolution of the world will be accompanied by significant events in the material world: the construction of the Third Temple, the entry of the saints from among the nations into the eastern gate of the Temple, the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah, which will be different from all the cities of the world.
Acting according to the flesh, man cannot reach this city, but the city will appear as an inevitable result of the previous one, the result of the entry of the "full number of the Gentiles" into the eastern gate of the Temple. The entry into the eastern gate, in turn, will be the result of the previous one, the result of the construction of the Third Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. And the construction of the Third Temple can only be the result of the conversion of some part of the Jews and Christians to God, the result of the Awakening.
Therefore, all these events, the construction of the Temple, the construction of the city, will be the result of an internal change in ourselves. And if someone tries to enter the city, having bypassed the process of changing his own internal state, having bypassed the process of repentance and turning to God, he will not succeed, he will not enter the city.
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Heb 13:14
For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
2Pe 3:3-13
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
1Th 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Rev 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Rev 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
(And we who are born again were born of her, born of heavenly Zion/Jerusalem.)
It doesn’t seem from these scriptures (and more) that we are looking for any earthly city built by hands of man. As it is written, God doesn’t dwell in houses made by hands of men and HE is building His house/temple as we speak made of LIVING stone (eternal/spiritual, not temporal stones of this world).
David in NJ
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When attempting this thru outward means it becomes a religion unto man.
Religion cannot bring about world peace.
The VALUE of the Kingdom of Elohim is the LORD Jesus Christ.
"IAM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME" = "IAM the Resurrection"
"The FATHER has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son,"
The promise of 'peace' from a man-made building cannot produce the inward Peace that only comes from One PERSON.
YHWH YAHshua HaMashiach is the 3rd TEMPLE thru whom we must Enter to know the True and Living Elohim.
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate.
For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Yes, God makes all things new.
Only the new creation will endure forever in the eternal state with God.
The unshakeable kingdom includes you who believe as you are new creations in Christ.
The old creation is going to burn up and be gone.
Hebrews 12
Hear the Heavenly Voice
25 See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven, 26 whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I [k]shake not only the earth, but also heaven.” 27 Now this, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we [l]may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. 29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Galgal
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Before the Scripture can be fulfilled, there must be people who will fulfill it.
The Temple described by Ezekiel will not appear by itself. Someone must first make plans, blueprints, construction documents, collect money for construction, obtain permission from the authorities. Then, when the Temple is built, everyone will say: look, the Scripture has come true, the Temple was built exactly as described in the Bible.
The city described by Ezekiel in the 48th chapter will also not appear by itself. People who gather in Israel will build this city. When this city is built, everyone will say: look, the Scripture has come true. Events in the rest of the world will confirm this: humanity will abandon wars, wealth and deception will cease to be attractive, righteousness will be in demand.
You quote the Scripture about the New Jerusalem, but this New Jerusalem cannot appear without the construction of the Third Temple. This New Jerusalem will not come down from heaven without the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah. Because the New Jerusalem is not a material city, but a city in the hearts of believers.
When the disciples learned of Jesus' resurrection on Nisan 16, the New Jerusalem was restored in their hearts. When we now see the building of the Third Temple, our hearts will rejoice because the word of God will be fulfilled before our eyes. When the believing Jews and Christians build the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel, our inner state will be called "in heaven." From these inner heavens, where we will rejoice over the fulfillment of the word of God, a hail of talented words will fall upon the carnal Christians in the denominations:
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. (Revelation 16:21)
Do you want to stay where you are now? That is your right. I know from God that I must participate in the construction of the Temple and must live among my people, among the tribes of Israel. I will fulfill what God has put in me, fulfill the word of God about the Third Temple.
The city is not built by the whole Church, but only by a part of it - the Smyrna Church of Revelation.
The eastern gate of the Temple will not be entered by the whole Church, but only by a part of it - the Philadelphia Church of Revelation.
The whole Church will not be caught up to the Lord, but only by a part of the believers from the other 5 churches of Revelation, only the "wise virgins" who will "shine" by fulfilling the commandments of Christ now, when the cry of the coming of the Bridegroom is heard.
I don’t know whether you are one of the wise virgins, no one can determine that now, everything will become clear later when the fire of Awakening flares up. But if you are faithful to God now, then it is unclear why you want to refuse to participate in the wedding feast of God's people, where we will become one people, joining the Jews.
Galgal
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Without religion, nothing appears. Religion is the straw, but without the stem of religious rites, the grain of our faith cannot grow. When the time of Judgment comes, the straw of the old religion is burned, and the grain is collected in the granary of God.
So it was at the First Coming with the Judaism of the Second Temple. So be it at the Second Coming with the Christianity of the current denominations.
Each time, a new religion appeared to replace the old one, in order to grow a new harvest of grain.
The will of God is expressed in Scripture: to create for the Millennial Kingdom the religion of the Third Temple for the carnal Jews. For those who have reached the spiritual level, the city of Yahweh Shammah will be built. But the division into spiritual and carnal is quite conditional, there will be one people of Israel, where everyone will be given what they need. The temple is not forbidden for the spiritual, the city is not forbidden for the carnal. One Jew can work the land, receiving income from farming and trade, pay the first fruits and tithes to the Temple, bring sacrifices when he sins. Another Jew, on the contrary, can not be carried away by earthly affairs, but devote himself to creative affairs, for the Kingdom of God, for this there will be the city of Yahweh Shammah, with residential suburbs to the north and south. The Temple for such a Jew will be the place of the wedding feast, where we will have a sacred meal in the House of the Father, so that we remain a united people, not humiliating the carnal and not exalting the spiritual.
The Temple of the Body is still not built. The Temple of the Body of Christ will be built during the Millennial Kingdom. This is a false formula, when a person is forced by intimidation to say the "sinner's prayer" and be baptized, considering such a person to be "born again". In fact, God leads a person to Jesus Christ. A person must himself reach such a level in order to consciously turn to God and dedicate himself to Him.
Those who force pagans to be baptized are aborting the Church and giving birth to stillborn children, which then fill all the congregations. Denominations are multiplying and sects are multiplying, where people do not follow God, but other people in whom they have believed.
God gives another thousand years for the maturation of mankind. During these years, the Judaism of the Third Temple and the city of the saints in Israel will dominate. The Christian religion will end, the times of the pagans will end, there will be the time of Israel.
If you want to assign numbers to temples, then the temple of the Body would be the Fourth. But I don't see the point in numbering a spiritual temple.
Is it different for you now? Who are you trying to "stone" with words now?
Why do you refuse to be gathered by Jesus Christ in the place where He will come down from heaven? The house of Christianity is left to you desolate.
David in NJ
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And the fact that you cannot SEE what the FATHER, the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT are Building is the same blindness that was/is upon those who demanded the LORD be crucified = religion & politics, the new world order!!!
CHRIST is the HOUSE of ELohim where Eternal Life Emanates outward to those whom the FATHER calls to His HOUSE.
Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
CHRIST gathers us unto HIMSELF
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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