True or not? God is Jesus, but Jesus isn’t God.

[WalterandDebbie]

Thanks in advance.

Hello NotTheRock, Well, from our understanding of the scriptures, Isaiah 9:6 and Jesus is who He says He is, And What He Says In John 4:24, Especially In The first and second writings of The Bible. 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[Davy]

God the Father is God, but he is not God the Son, he is God, but is not God the Spirit, he is God , but is not God the Father.
They are separate beings able to love and be loved, to communicate with each other.

One GOD, as 3 Persons.

John 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto Him, "Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
9 Jesus saith unto him, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?'"
KJV

Heb 1:1-3
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;

Recall the "...Let Us make man in Our image"... per creation of man at Gen.1:26.


3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
KJV


Either you align with God's Word as written, or you default to men's traditions.

 

[Davy]

Jesus is not Emmanuel. Emmanuel is Jesus in us. Emmanuel is the community of believers in the name of "Jesus".

That's talk definitely by one who is deceived.

Jesus of Nazareth is "Emmanuel", "God with us", as the Matthew 1:23 verses says as written:

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV

Welcome to my IGNORE list. I don't have time for those who flat out reject Bible Scripture as written.

 

[Galgal]

Strange people. They believe in tradition, but they don't believe what is written in plain text. It is written that the baby was named Jesus, but they say that the one born to Mary was named Emmanuel.

That is why they will not be able to understand what the city of Yahweh Shammah means.

 

[David in NJ]

Thanks in advance.

Elohim is plural and They are Echad = THEY cannot be separated as THEY are ECHAD ELOHIM

SEE Here

Then Elohim(plural) said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;" = 3

“If you love Me/Jesus, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper,
that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

 

[David in NJ]

Strange people. They believe in tradition, but they don't believe what is written in plain text. It is written that the baby was named Jesus, but they say that the one born to Mary was named Emmanuel.

That is why they will not be able to understand what the city of Yahweh Shammah means.

i understand your POV and the others on here.

Your POV is CORRECT when you say that the Spirit of Elohim indwells the Sanctified Saint who is in MESSIAH.

Therefore Jesus said to them again, "Peace to you. As the Father has sent Me forth, I also send you."

 

[The Learner]

Jesus of Nazareth is "Emmanuel", "God with us", per Apostle Matthew in Matthew 1:23. Matthew was pointing to the Isaiah 7 prophecy that Christ would be born of a virgin with His name as "Immanuel" ("Emmanuel" is the Greek version).

Per Apostle John in John 4:24, "God is a Spirit". John was pointing to the Heavenly dimension, the world of Spirit. If one does not understand about the two separate dimensions of existence per God's Word, this 'earthly' one vs. the 'heavenly' one, then they will struggle to understand these things.

Study of all The Bible helps clear this matter up.

Per God's Word, we were created with 3 parts, a spirit, a soul, and bones and marrow (Hebrews 4:12). Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 revealed that when our flesh body dies, it goes back to the earthly elements where it came from, but our 'spirit' goes back to GOD Who gave it. Per Matt.10:28 Jesus revealed that no man can kill our soul, so that has to mean our soul and spirit are tied together separate from our flesh body.

Eccl.12 reveals a thing Solomon called the "silver cord" which keeps our spirit/soul attached to our flesh body while alive in this earthly dimension. When that "silver cord" is severed at flesh death though, that is when our flesh goes back to the earth where it came from, and our spirit/soul goes back to God, meaning in the heavenly dimension. Per 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul showed that if our earthly house (flesh) were dissolved, we still have another body, not made with hands (meaning non-flesh), from God, eternal in the heavens (meaning the spiritual body which is of that Heavenly dimension.)

How then does the above help us understand about Christ's birth in the flesh, and His previous existence as GOD The Son? The idea of The Triune Godhead is a mystery, but the way God's Word describes it is that The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit, are all Co-Equal as GOD. This is why Jesus would say to Philip that those who had seen Him have seen The Father (John 14:9). It is because Hebrews 1 reveals that Jesus is the "express image of His Person", meaning the express image of The Father.

This means we CANNOT separate Jesus of Nazareth from His Spirit inside Him as GOD, even while He was in the flesh. But this is something the orthodox unbelieving Jews are constantly trying to do, confusing many Christian brethren that are unlearned in these things.

Jesus took on flesh like us to suffer for us on His cross, to offer those who believe on Him remission of sins through His death and resurrection. In this The Christ was different in Office than The Father.

It is also interesting that when you research the name Jesus back to the Greek, and then to the Hebrew, it cannot be separated from The Father's Name. When you say Jesus Christ, you are automatically including The Father, and when you say The Father's Name, you are automatically including The Son Jesus Christ.

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[The Learner]

No it's not true.
Jesus is God the Son, part of the trinity.He is not God theater nor is he God the Spirit.
In the same way the Father and the Spirit are God,but they are not the other elements of the trinity.

puzzled

 

[The Learner]

God the Father is God, but he is not God the Son, he is God, but is not God the Spirit, he is God , but is not God the Father.
They are separate beings able to love and be loved, to communicate with each other.

nope

 

[The Learner]

So multiple "gods"?

yep, that is what he said

 

[The Learner]

Jesus is not Emmanuel. Emmanuel is Jesus in us. Emmanuel is the community of believers in the name of "Jesus".

This community of believers in the name of "Jesus" appeared on the 8th day after Mary gave birth to the baby, on the day when the circumcision took place and the baby was named "Jesus". The prophet Isaiah speaks of Emmanuel as a community of believers in Jesus, this is the universal Baby, not the local Jesus Christ.

Jesus was born in the fall on the 8th day of the 7th month. The name "Jesus" was first proclaimed on the eighth day after the birth of the baby, it was the 15th day of the 7th month, this is the 1st day of the holiday of Sukkot (Tabernacles). Tabernacles is the name day of Jesus and the birthday of Emmanuel. The "circumcision" of Emmanuel will be on the eighth day of Tabernacles, this day is called Simchat Torah, the Triumph of the Law. On this day the city of Yahweh Shammah will appear in Israel and those who are part of Emmanuel, all the taken to God part of the Christians, the "wise virgins", will be finally determined.

The word Immanuel gets banded around a lot at this time of year due to one of the most startling Messianic prophecies there is:

Therefore Adonai Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will conceive. When she is giving birth to a son, she will call his name Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14)

Immanuel, Emmanuel, Emanuel – like Hanukkah, there are several ways to spell it in English, but in Hebrew it is two words: עִמָּנוּ אֵל – with-us God, or God with us.

This promise to come and be with us does not just suddenly appear in Isaiah 7 – God’s intention to come and live among us is transcribed all throughout Scripture. He’s thought this through and planned His visit very well.

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[The Learner]

please pray all I am sick again

 

[Galgal]

The word Immanuel gets banded around a lot at this time of year due to one of the most startling Messianic prophecies there is:

Therefore Adonai Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will conceive. When she is giving birth to a son, she will call his name Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14)

Isaiah plays out a plot with two opposite babies. Both babies are born to the same prophet's wife. The first is God-With-us, the second is Hastening-Robbery-Accelerating-Prey. Both of these "babies" are reflected in different categories of believers in the future. The first sacrifice themselves to God. The second besiege the holy city of New Jerusalem with crowds of pagans. Both call themselves Christians. We have no right to pull out the weeds, because we can easily make a mistake. But in the end, God carries out the Judgment, bringing the first to the city of Yahweh Shammah (rapture of the Church), and the second go to battle for their Prosperity, to Armageddon - "whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things." When a Christian strives to grab more for himself in this life, he disgraces himself.

This is the opposition of the heavenly and the earthly, the spiritual and the carnal:

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. (Revelation 12:12)

And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's. (Obadiah 1:21)

 

[NotTheRock]

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What is the reason for this in all of your posts, please?

 

[NotTheRock]

Hello NotTheRock, Well, from our understanding of the scriptures, Isaiah 9:6 and Jesus is who He says He is, And What He Says In John 4:24, Especially In The first and second writings of The Bible. 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV

Love, Walter And Debbie

Thank you. So I take it that you're not a trinitarian???

 

[NotTheRock]

Strange people. They believe in tradition, but they don't believe what is written in plain text. It is written that the baby was named Jesus, but they say that the one born to Mary was named Emmanuel.

That is why they will not be able to understand what the city of Yahweh Shammah means.

I'm really new to Christanity and only have a child-like understanding due to a severe learning disability. Your post intrigues me. Can you please explain it very simply so that even a intellectually-challenged person like me can understand? Thanks in advance!

 

[David in NJ]

I would say the opposite: Jesus is God, but God is not only Jesus.

Elohim is plural, literally "Gods". Gods are one. "One" means unity. So the number "Gods" can be any number. You can't limit Elohim to 3. In Revelation we see a great multitude of people in whom the One sitting on the throne will live. In these people God will be incarnate. Therefore, we should not complicate theology beyond what is written. It is good when we use expressions used in the Bible. Scripture avoids calling Jesus God, lest there be confusion with the Father. Scripture never calls the Holy Spirit God.

Elohim has limited Himself to 3

There are no more then THREE = FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT

 

[NotTheRock]

This is why Jesus would say to Philip that those who had seen Him have seen The Father (John 14:9). It is because Hebrews 1 reveals that Jesus is the "express image of His Person", meaning the express image of The Father.

Did God the Father essentially make an avatar of himself when he sent Jesus into the world?

 

[NotTheRock]

Is Jesus essentially an avatar of God? In other words, GOD came to us but in the form of Jesus.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That is why they will not be able to understand what the city of Yahweh Shammah means.

We be speakin english... not hebrew homie

It's OK to call the Lord Jesus... it's not a sin so relax.