True or not? God is Jesus, but Jesus isn’t God.
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Ronald Nolette
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Jesus is not God the Father- He is God the son. the Trinity is three separate "entities" but all share the exact same nature-- absolute "Godness"
They are equal in nature but separate in person.
Davy
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Jesus of Nazareth is "Emmanuel", "God with us", per Apostle Matthew in Matthew 1:23. Matthew was pointing to the Isaiah 7 prophecy that Christ would be born of a virgin with His name as "Immanuel" ("Emmanuel" is the Greek version).
Per Apostle John in John 4:24, "God is a Spirit". John was pointing to the Heavenly dimension, the world of Spirit. If one does not understand about the two separate dimensions of existence per God's Word, this 'earthly' one vs. the 'heavenly' one, then they will struggle to understand these things.
Study of all The Bible helps clear this matter up.
Per God's Word, we were created with 3 parts, a spirit, a soul, and bones and marrow (Hebrews 4:12). Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 revealed that when our flesh body dies, it goes back to the earthly elements where it came from, but our 'spirit' goes back to GOD Who gave it. Per Matt.10:28 Jesus revealed that no man can kill our soul, so that has to mean our soul and spirit are tied together separate from our flesh body.
Eccl.12 reveals a thing Solomon called the "silver cord" which keeps our spirit/soul attached to our flesh body while alive in this earthly dimension. When that "silver cord" is severed at flesh death though, that is when our flesh goes back to the earth where it came from, and our spirit/soul goes back to God, meaning in the heavenly dimension. Per 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul showed that if our earthly house (flesh) were dissolved, we still have another body, not made with hands (meaning non-flesh), from God, eternal in the heavens (meaning the spiritual body which is of that Heavenly dimension.)
How then does the above help us understand about Christ's birth in the flesh, and His previous existence as GOD The Son? The idea of The Triune Godhead is a mystery, but the way God's Word describes it is that The Father, and The Son, and The Holy Spirit, are all Co-Equal as GOD. This is why Jesus would say to Philip that those who had seen Him have seen The Father (John 14:9). It is because Hebrews 1 reveals that Jesus is the "express image of His Person", meaning the express image of The Father.
This means we CANNOT separate Jesus of Nazareth from His Spirit inside Him as GOD, even while He was in the flesh. But this is something the orthodox unbelieving Jews are constantly trying to do, confusing many Christian brethren that are unlearned in these things.
Jesus took on flesh like us to suffer for us on His cross, to offer those who believe on Him remission of sins through His death and resurrection. In this The Christ was different in Office than The Father.
It is also interesting that when you research the name Jesus back to the Greek, and then to the Hebrew, it cannot be separated from The Father's Name. When you say Jesus Christ, you are automatically including The Father, and when you say The Father's Name, you are automatically including The Son Jesus Christ.
No it's not true.
Jesus is God the Son, part of the trinity.He is not God theater nor is he God the Spirit.
In the same way the Father and the Spirit are God,but they are not the other elements of the trinity.
Davy
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Not good enough per what is written.
Before Christ was born in the flesh through woman's womb, He existed as Spirit with The Father. Hebrews 1 even reveals He is the "express image" of The Father.
Furthermore, only those in 'spirit' bodies can exist in the heavenly dimension (1 Cor.15:50).
God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit, are all ONE, just as God's Word does reveal.
Yet they are also separate entities.
Yes prior to his incarnation Jesus did not have a body. Now following his resurrection he has the same sort of body we will have at our resurrection .
Davy
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No, their OFFICES are what are separate.
Thus that does not mean Jesus stopped being Immanuel, God with us, when He was born in the flesh.
Yes, Jesus did... have a body before being born in the flesh. It was a body of SPIRIT.
And with Jesus' resurrection body, at some point it was 'quickened' to the heavenly type body as I showed from Bible Scripture per 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 1 Corinthians 15:45-50.
And Apostle Paul was clear in 1 Corinthians 15 that the resurrection is about a "spiritual body", NOT another flesh body...
1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV
So you can listen to those country preachers that try to preach a 'fleshy' resurrection with a new flesh body in the future kingdom of God, or simply listen to what Apostle Paul taught above.
Dan Clarkston
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John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
What are ya'll going to do about this scripture?
Behold
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Dan Clarkston
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God the Father is God, but he is not God the Son, he is God, but is not God the Spirit, he is God , but is not God the Father.
They are separate beings able to love and be loved, to communicate with each other.
ScottA
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That is a fair, but perhaps confusing, assessment.
A simpler way to understand it, is to imagine God standing in front of a mirror. The image in the mirror is Jesus. Therefore, He said, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father" (John 14:9).
Which is also to say: The complete image in the mirror is the world, and thus mankind created in His image.
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Galgal
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Jesus is not Emmanuel. Emmanuel is Jesus in us. Emmanuel is the community of believers in the name of "Jesus".
This community of believers in the name of "Jesus" appeared on the 8th day after Mary gave birth to the baby, on the day when the circumcision took place and the baby was named "Jesus". The prophet Isaiah speaks of Emmanuel as a community of believers in Jesus, this is the universal Baby, not the local Jesus Christ.
Jesus was born in the fall on the 8th day of the 7th month. The name "Jesus" was first proclaimed on the eighth day after the birth of the baby, it was the 15th day of the 7th month, this is the 1st day of the holiday of Sukkot (Tabernacles). Tabernacles is the name day of Jesus and the birthday of Emmanuel. The "circumcision" of Emmanuel will be on the eighth day of Tabernacles, this day is called Simchat Torah, the Triumph of the Law. On this day the city of Yahweh Shammah will appear in Israel and those who are part of Emmanuel, all the taken to God part of the Christians, the "wise virgins", will be finally determined.
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Galgal
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I would say the opposite: Jesus is God, but God is not only Jesus.
Elohim is plural, literally "Gods". Gods are one. "One" means unity. So the number "Gods" can be any number. You can't limit Elohim to 3. In Revelation we see a great multitude of people in whom the One sitting on the throne will live. In these people God will be incarnate. Therefore, we should not complicate theology beyond what is written. It is good when we use expressions used in the Bible. Scripture avoids calling Jesus God, lest there be confusion with the Father. Scripture never calls the Holy Spirit God.
St. SteVen
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That depends on how we define the word "God".
If the word "God" is in reference to God the Father, then; No, Jesus isn't the person of God the Father.
If the word "God" is in reference to the godhead, then; Yes, Jesus is a person of the godhead.
Therefore, Jesus is God. (as a person of the godhead) God the Son.
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Bob Estey
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My belief is that Jesus is God in flesh. (That is, God took the form of a man, and that man was Jesus.)
I think others believe Jesus is the Son of God, that they are two different people.
Dan Clarkston
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Dan Clarkston
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And yet... according to God's Word, there is but ONE God!
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.
In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.
Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
Dan Clarkston
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Why not be of child like faith and simply believe what the Lord said?
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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