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[amigo de christo]

Amen Scott.
Many christians are unaware of = "the glory which I had with You(FATHER) before the world was."

many christains are also unawares of that which is of anti christ .
Many need to read JOHN again .
Many look for a coming anti christ and do all to pin the tail on the donkey .
and yet many are already under influence of that which is OF ANTI CHRIST .
JOHN warned the church . SO it would be very wise
that we go back and read that book . peek at chapter two real good .
THIS is THAT which IS OF ANTI CHRIST
what is
HE WHO DENIES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , HE IS ANTI CHRIST .
YET how come so many are now under the guise of another love , another concept
which teaches and says , muslims , buddists , etc
they too know GOD . Which clearly says there is no need for them to beleive JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
CAUSE THAT IDEA COMETH OF ANTI CHRIST . yet many therbe that are under
a rainbow holding koran holding jesus , an idea that all we neeed do is love one another and find common ground
have us some unity and do us some good works . What A LIE that is .
THIS IS THAT which is of anti christ . The mystery of inquity has not been at rest throughout the ages
It has grown MASSIVE and now quickly gathers the tribes of earth , its religoins , its peoples
to UNIFY as one RIGHT UNDER IT .

 

[Scott Downey]

Amen Scott.
Many christians are unaware of = "the glory which I had with You(FATHER) before the world was."

Jesus is divinely God. He tells us HE proceeded out from God, and came from God and is going back to God. They are ONE, yet separately God, just like He says here, logically can be no other way. He came to earth so was separated from the Father for a short time in that sense.

John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus is divinely God. He tells us HE came from God and is going back to God. They are ONE, yet separately God, just like He says here, logically can be no other way.

John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

John says this reminder too . Those who HEAR US are of GOD , those who hear us not are NOT OF GOD .
IF THEY WILL NOT recieve the WORD , the true gospel , THEY ARE NOT OF GOD .
lets remember that the next time a pope or a preacher tries to sell us the idea that muslims and others
also know God just cause they might be doing them some good works .
So repeat after me . IF ya jesus is holding a rainbow , a koran etc , IT AINT JESUS and IT CANNOT SAVE .
JESUS didnt come to MAKE THE ROAD TO GOD BROAD . HE CAME to pull us OFF THAT PATH
and TO BE IN HIM on the NARROW ROAD . HE ALONE the ONLY WAY TO GOD . THE WAY , THE TRUTH and THE LIFE .

 

[Scott Downey]

I sort of feel like Jesus squeezed out from God or the side of God to come to earth, and when He went back to the Father merged back into God to be at His right hand again one with the Father in heaven.
They must be both one God and yet separately God. It is complex feeling and yet so simple to describe God.

John says this reminder too . Those who HEAR US are of GOD , those who hear us not are NOT OF GOD .
IF THEY WILL NOT recieve the WORD , the true gospel , THEY ARE NOT OF GOD .
lets remember that the next time a pope or a preacher tries to sell us the idea that muslims and others
also know God just cause they might be doing them some good works .
So repeat after me . IF ya jesus is holding a rainbow , a koran etc , IT AINT JESUS and IT CANNOT SAVE .
JESUS didnt come to MAKE THE ROAD TO GOD BROAD . HE CAME to pull us OFF THAT PATH
and TO BE IN HIM on the NARROW ROAD . HE ALONE the ONLY WAY TO GOD . THE WAY , THE TRUTH and THE LIFE .

To be 'of God' means to have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. You then will believe in Christ as when He speaks you will listen and believe. In essence you must be born again, you must be born of God to be of God, then you have His love abiding in you...His word abiding in you, it is His word that gives us our spiritual life. He makes us alive in the Spirit and we are then of the family of God, not of the world and God saves those who are His children.
If not born of the Father's love for you, you are of the world and will not listen to Christ and believe in the Son.

John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
John 8
46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

John 5
37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
41 “I do not receive honor from men.
42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you
46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

 

[Scott Downey]

God gave us to Christ, which is why we believed. And Christ loses none of us.

Ezekiel 18:4
“Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.

John 17:6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

John 17:24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

John 18:9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”

Philippians 1

27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, 28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God.

29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus is divinely God. He tells us HE proceeded out from God, and came from God and is going back to God. They are ONE, yet separately God, just like He says here, logically can be no other way. He came to earth so was separated from the Father for a short time in that sense.

John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

Was HE ever separated from the FATHER?

John 3:13
"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.'

 

[Scott Downey]

Was HE ever separated from the FATHER?

John 3:13
"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.'

In the sense of being separated from the Father in coming to earth He humbled Himself, as in He was diminished as His glory was not the same. Also on the cross He felt the punishing wrath of God, as God the Father had made His soul an offering for sin.

Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

He also learned obedience to God. I agree it is complex subject.

It is why when He prays in John 17 to have His glory restored as it once was.

Hebrews 5
7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Scott Downey]

"and of those under the earth,"
Hell, Hades, Sheol, the abode of them that are dead is within the earth. And notice the earth under there is full of fiery heat.

There are other supporting scriptures, such as
Ephesians 4:8-10

8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”

9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [a]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

And as prophesied of the Christ who died and rose again

Psalm 16:9-11

9 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoices;
My flesh also will [a]rest in hope.
10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to [c]see corruption.
11 You will show me the path of life;
In Your presence is fullness of joy;
At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.

Acts 2
22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you [f]have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having [g]loosed the [h]pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

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[Scott Downey]

And Christ went and preached to the disobedient imprisoned spirits, see it mentions those who died in the flood.
And then the rich man and Lazarus story and the great gulf dividing paradise from Hell before Christ ascended, He went to that place of Paradise, Abraham's bosom. And each side could talk and see each other but could not cross over. Christ tells the thief on the cross, that day you will be with me in Paradise. Paradise was in Sheol, the place of the dead, but was reserved for the OT righteous dead, the ones God would redeem and perfect after Christ came.

Hebrews 11, the faith of the OT saints of God

38 of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

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Christ’s Suffering and Ours​

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

I sort of feel like Jesus squeezed out from God or the side of God to come to earth, and when He went back to the Father merged back into God to be at His right hand again one with the Father in heaven.
They must be both one God and yet separately God. It is complex feeling and yet so simple to describe God.

To be 'of God' means to have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. You then will believe in Christ as when He speaks you will listen and believe. In essence you must be born again, you must be born of God to be of God, then you have His love abiding in you...His word abiding in you, it is His word that gives us our spiritual life. He makes us alive in the Spirit and we are then of the family of God, not of the world and God saves those who are His children.
If not born of the Father's love for you, you are of the world and will not listen to Christ and believe in the Son.

John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
John 8
46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

John 5
37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
41 “I do not receive honor from men.
42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you
46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Thus a real simple test . If one has truly been born again , THEY WOULD CONFESS JESUS CHRIST BY MOUTH
BELIEVING GOD ROSE HIM FROM THE DEAD . THEY WOULD LOVE HIS WORDS .
you see we have other spirits at work , which have been long at work .
they preach HALVES . either they do confess HIM and yet , oh yes there is a yet , Yet
they seem to follow a jesus that contradicts the JESUS in THAT BIBLE
OR , and this group is fast growing , OR they try and lip his teachings , WELL certain ones
and yet give the idea somehow one is born again IF they just have this certain love thy neighbor .
WHICH sure seems to not correct certain sins , which sure seems to have made the love of GOD into a VERY BROAD ROAD .
YOU SEE , EITHER WE ARE TRULY and have been TRULY BORN AGAIN or not .
WHAT JESUS do we follow
Do we try and make JESUS seem contrary TO THE GOD of old test
DO we try and make void some of HIS teachings
DO we try and pit james against paul or etc
Cause if we do , SOMETHING AINT RIGHT at all . GOD IS THE SAME , HE NEVER GONNA HONOR SIN
JESUS IS THE SAME , HE NEVER GONNA HONOR SIN .
IF OUR GOD OR JESUS DOES , ITS THE DEVIL NOT GOD NOT JESUS .
IF OUR LOVE ACCEPTS OTHER RELIGOINS AS VALID WAYS SO LONG AS THEY LOVE , ITS NOT COMING FROM GOD BUT OF THE DEVIL .
THE GOD I KNOW , THE CHRIST I KNOW , DOES NOT DENY TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

And Christ went and preached to the disobedient imprisoned spirits, see it mentions those who died in the flood.
And then the rich man and Lazarus story and the great gulf dividing paradise from Hell before Christ ascended, He went to that place of Paradise, Abraham's bosom. And each side could talk and see each other but could not cross over. Christ tells the thief on the cross, that day you will be with me in Paradise. Paradise was in Sheol, the place of the dead, but was reserved for the OT righteous dead, the ones God would redeem and perfect after Christ came.

Hebrews 11, the faith of the OT saints of God

38 of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

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Christ’s Suffering and Ours​

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

key observance . THEY never heard the gospel .
Those in the days of noah ,
But unto those who hear and yet deny , THEY GONNA ROAST BIG TIME , be far worse for them that ER it was for sodom or gaymorrah
But unto those who twist JESUS into a rainbow holder and a koran and other path accepter , THEY GONNA ROAST big time .
MANY have heard and MANY DENY . many have heard and yet DENY and twist unto them another jesus , another god
another love . THESE will pay a DEEP HEAVY PRICE for TRODDING JESUS UNDER FOOT and trying to turn GOD and CHRIST
into the ministir of sin . I fear BIG TIME for todays christendom . WE BESS PREACH JESUS is all i can say .

 

[Keiw]

Not "it can be" but it is PLURAL everytime you SEE Elohim/God , Elohenu/God , Elohe/God

Now you are saying that Elohim lied by attributing to Elohim a single identity which is a incorrect.

Exodus 3:16
Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers,
the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My Name forever, and this is My Memorial to all generations.

Read Revelation 21:8 outloud to yourself: "All liars shall have their part in the Lake of Fire"

Do it while you look yourself in the mirror and then ask the person in the mirror if he wants to end up there!

YHVH(Jehovah) is the name at Ex 3:16--Not the LORD GOD. In Gods bible.

 

[Keiw]

Did you SEE the BIG Heart of Love i left for you on this Post of yours!

WHY?

Because you are 100% CORRECT when you say God does not have a God!
AND
No one comes to the FATHER but thru the Son.
AND
This is Eternal Life, to know the One True God AND the LORD Jesus whom HE Sent.
AND
There is but one Savior = the LORD = who came Tabernacled/Resided with us and walked this earth = God in Person.
AND
If you have SEEN the LORD you have SEEN the FATHER as well!
AND
We KNOW the above statement is TRUE because the WORD said "no one has SEEN the FATHER but the SON"
AND
The HOLY SPIRIT, who also is ELOHIM/God, will not forgive anyone who blasphemes Him!
AND
ALL Judgment has been given to the SON
AND
the LORD said, "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day!

Yeshua, Jesus is never called LORD all capitols-YHVH is.

 

[David in NJ]

Yeshua, Jesus is never called LORD all capitols-YHVH is.

God the Father of our Yahweh Jesus Christ = there is only one Yahweh and it does NOT need all caps just like the OT.

Exodus 3:4 - So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”

Ephesians 4:5
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Spyder]

Jesus is divinely God. He tells us HE proceeded out from God, and came from God and is going back to God. They are ONE, yet separately God, just like He says here, logically can be no other way. He came to earth so was separated from the Father for a short time in that sense.

John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.

I have to ask how you see "divinely God." Without Yahweh, Jesus was powerless, and His Father gave Him power over all flesh. Then, after the resurrection, Yahweh gave Him authority in Heaven and on Earth. But He will be powerless again after the End of Days when His purpose is completed.

1 Co 15:20–28 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[David in NJ]

I have to ask how you see "divinely God." Without Yahweh, Jesus was powerless, and His Father gave Him power over all flesh. Then, after the resurrection, Yahweh gave Him authority in Heaven and on Earth. But He will be powerless again after the End of Days when His purpose is completed.

1 Co 15:20–28 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

SEE Post 354

 

[Spyder]

SEE Post 354

I did. Thank you.

 

[David in NJ]

I did. Thank you.

Your question that you posed in Post# 355 has been answered.

You are Welcome

 

[Keiw]

God the Father of our Yahweh Jesus Christ = there is only one Yahweh and it does NOT need all caps just like the OT.

Exodus 3:4 - So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”

Ephesians 4:5
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

YHVH or YHWH = Jehovah)--Yeshua = Jesus. Jesus is never called YHWH.

 

[David in NJ]

YHVH or YHWH = Jehovah)--Yeshua = Jesus. Jesus is never called YHWH.

Capital letters are not always used in scripture for 'God' and 'Lord' and 'savior' and 'anointed one'

Do you see any ALL CAPS in this scripture whether of God the Father or the Lord???

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


His Father calls Him Lord and you better humble your heart before the Lord our Savior.


Revelation 19:11-16
Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,c and His name is The Word of God.

The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses.
And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.