This will be a sign for you:

[Jack]

This says it all about you. You say you don't need to interpret the Bible, which implies that you're saying you don't need any spiritual discernment from the Holy Spirit to understand the Bible, despite Paul having said this:

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

What you are saying, whether you realize it or not, is that even "the natural man" can understand all of the Bible, including the deeper things we talk about on this forum. Yet, Paul said "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned". And Paul was talking about "things also which we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth" which were also things he and the other Bible authors wrote down that we can still read today in the Bible. So, is that what you believe then? That no spiritual discernment is required to understand the whole Bible and that even "the natural man" can understand all of it?

Still can't find "Spiritual Israelite" in the Bible? It ain't there! Read the news. Israel is in the news every day. You ain't!

 

[covenantee]

What does that mean? lol

You mean you don't know the religion of the antichrists that you adore? For shame!

ONLY God would know that.

Antichrists know it. You adore antichrists. Why don't you know it?

Why aren't you in the news every day, like Israel? HMM? Nobody seems to know who you are.

Because I don't adore the antichrists committing genocide every day that you adore.

 

[covenantee]

You twist my words just like you twist Jesus' Words. You ain't Israel. Nobody seems to have heard of you. Israel in the Land of the Bible is in the news EVERY day.

Your words are twisted the moment you utter them.

You believe exactly what I've said.

The antichrists that you adore will be saved without Christ.

Salvation by DNA.

We'll see 'em all in heaven.

Are you ready?

 

[Jack]

You mean you don't know the religion of the antichrists that you adore? For shame!

Antichrists know it. You adore antichrists. Why don't you know it?

Because I don't adore the antichrists committing genocide every day that you adore.

Revelation 21:8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone

 

[Jack]

Your words are twisted the moment you utter them.

You believe exactly what I've said.

The antichrists that you adore will be saved without Christ.

Salvation by DNA.

We'll see 'em all in heaven.

Are you ready?

Just like when you LIED and said I worship antichrists! I forgive you. Maybe God will.

 

[covenantee]

Still can't find "Spiritual Israelite" in the Bible? It ain't there! Read the news. Israel is in the news every day. You ain't!

Still can't find "Trinity" in the Bible? It ain't there! So you don't believe the Trinity.

Antichrists killing Christians are in the news every day. Wouldn't you love to join them? What's stopping you?

 

[covenantee]

Just like when you LIED and said I worship antichrists! I forgive you. Maybe God will.

adore​

verb​

ə-ˈdȯr

adored; adoring
Synonyms of adore
transitive verb
1
: to worship or honor as a deity or as divine

 

[Jack]

Still can't find "Trinity" in the Bible? It ain't there! So you don't believe the Trinity.

NEVER said it is. lol

Antichrists killing Christians are in the news every day. Wouldn't you love to join them? What's stopping you?

Jesus said to LOVE my enemies. That's why I love you even tho you continue to attack me with lies!

 

[Jack]

adore​

verb​

ə-ˈdȯr

adored; adoring
Synonyms of adore
transitive verb
1
: to worship or honor as a deity or as divine

I LOVE everybody! That's what Jesus said to do. He didn't say "worship"!

 

[covenantee]

NEVER said it is. lol

Jesus said to LOVE my enemies. That's why I love you even tho you continue to attack me with lies!

So I'm your enemy, but antichrists are your heroes.

No surprise there.

 

[Jack]

So I'm your enemy, but antichrists are your heroes.

Revelation 21:8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

No surprise there.

I love you. Do you love me?

Matthew 5:44
44 But I say to you, love your enemies,

 

[covenantee]

Revelation 21:8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

I love you. Do you love me?

Matthew 5:44
44 But I say to you, love your enemies,

I love you as much as you love me.

 

[Jack]

I love you as much as you love me.

You didn't answer my question. Do you love me? Yes or no?

Matthew 5:44
44 But I say to you, love your enemies,

 

[covenantee]

You didn't answer my question. Do you love me? Yes or no?

Matthew 5:44
44 But I say to you, love your enemies,

I certainly did answer your question. If you love me, then I love you equally.

 

[Jack]

I certainly did answer your question. If you love me, then I love you equally.

You can't even answer my question! Yes or no?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Still can't find "Spiritual Israelite" in the Bible? It ain't there! Read the news. Israel is in the news every day. You ain't!

Show me the word "rapture" in the Bible. It ain't there! But, you and I both believe it will happen, right? What a lame argument, which is all that you have to bring to the table.

Tell me, Jack, which Israel are Gentile believers fellow citizens of now?

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ...19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

 

[Jack]

Show me the word "rapture" in the Bible. It ain't there! But, you and I both believe it will happen, right? What a lame argument, which is all that you have to bring to the table.

Tell me, Jack, which Israel are Gentile believers fellow citizens of now?

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ...19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

Then you need to change your name here.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then you need to change your name here.

How is this a response to my question? Did you miss it?

Tell me, Jack, which Israel are Gentile believers fellow citizens of now?

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ...19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

 

[covenantee]

You can't even answer my question! Yes or no?

I actually love you more than you love me, because you're citing Matthew 5:44 identifying me as your enemy.

I don't consider you my enemy. I haven't cited Matthew 5:44.

But you consider me your enemy.

So whose love is greater?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is doctrinal bias at its worst. The context of the entire passage is about how one's ethnicity or nationality means nothing. But, Paul would then proceed single out the nation of Israel by saying peace and mercy to them by virtue of their nationality? Total nonsense!

Well if you would quote me right you wouldn't sound so foolish. It is the Israel of God (saved jews) I have repeatedly said it is saved Israel in view here. Paul spends the epistle contrasting the Israel of God and Israel (unsaved Jews.)

Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and (kai) ye that fear him, both small and great.

As you can see, the word "kai" is used here between the reference to "all ye his servants" and "ye that fear him, both small and great". Using your grammatical logic, we would have to conclude that "all ye his servants" and "yet that fear him" are two different groups. Is that what you believe? Clearly, all His servants fear Him, so this is NOT referring to two different groups. Likewise, those who have been made new creations in Christ and "the Israel of God" are NOT referring to groups, but referring to the same group in two different ways.

Now learn the koine greek better and learn that the servants in heaven are the angels!

then learn construction to see when a conjunction is showing two peoples versus differing qualities. This verse in English would say praise God all you angles and you that fear him (people) Remember Hebrews calls the angels Gods servants.

So, Galatians 6:16 should be understood like this: "And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy upon them, that is, the Israel of God.". It is those who are spiritual citizens of "the Israel of God" who walk according to the rule that says being a new creation in Christ is what matters and not whether someone is a Jew (the circumcision) or a Gentile (the uncircumcision). For there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the body of Christ (Galatians 3:26-29).

If it was to be understood that way, it would have been written that way. Do you really think God is that stupid?

What bubble have your burst? Only your straw man's, not mine. I never say that the nation of Israel is anything but the nation of Israel. Your "replacement theology" nonsense doesn't apply to what I believe because I don't have the nation of Israel being replaced by anyone.

I will ask but one question which I hope you will answer.

do you believe that the saved jews from the tribulation period will live and reign from Jerusalem and that the saved gentiles will populate the earth and yearly bring tribute to Israel and the Jews?

In order to believe this, you have to ignore or misinterpret NT passages like Galatians 6:15-16, Romans 9:6-8 and Ephesians 2:11-13.

Not in the least!

Tell me, what are Gentile believers no longer foreigners and strangers to? The covenants of the promise, right? And what nation were Gentile believers formerly excluded from but are now "fellow citizens"? Israel. Are Gentile believers fellow citizens of the nation of Israel? No, of course not. So, what else are we now fellow citizens of except a spiritual Israel which you can call whatever you want, but Paul called it "the Israel of God" in Galatians 6:16. Regardless, it's not the nation of Israel that the blood of Christ brought us near to and made us citizens of.

So show the verse that explicitly declares there is a natural Israel of nothing but Jews and a spiritual Israel that is Jews and gentiles.

I accept 100% the verses you said- but we are not the Israel of God, but the church!

We are fellow citizens with teh Israel of God. but maybe you should do some research and look at what that means!

Do you know that Jewish believers are still bound to be circumcised as the token of the Abrahamic covenant which is forever?

Do you know that saved Jews are required to keep the Sabbath which is a sign between god and all the generations of Israel?

Just because the church is one body made up of Jews and Gentiles does not end all distinction

Sorry but I cannot toss out grammar just because you have bought into a belief system that is not correct.

I cannot ignore all of Galatians and Romans 9-11 because you want to make Gentile believers something they are not.

And what is the promise that makes spiritual Israel?

Well let us look at the verse and the verses you omit!

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

The children of the flesh in context are the children of Ishmael and the children of promise are of Sarah!

A text taken out of its context becomes a pretext.