The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

[Behold]

Except for the last post that only acknowledged the Father and Jesus

And that is because i was replying to a post that was talking about Jesus..

 

[Dan Clarkston]

And that is because i was replying to a post that was talking about Jesus..

OK, so if one is going to mention the Father and Jesus.... gotta include the Holy Ghost too!

You'll do betta next time tho!

 

[Behold]

OK, so if one is going to mention the Father and Jesus.... gotta include the Holy Ghost too!

Only if its the question.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Please clarify , what do you mean by the above? thank you.

@Christian Soldier said.
Our journey begins when God opens our eyes

RJ says..we begin our journey with God, when we are Born Of God’s Living seed, that is when our eyes and ears are opened, for that is when we become one with him in spirit..my opinion.

Gods Word reveals that saved people were saved out of all kinds of sinful lifestyles, such as homosexuality, but we were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 9,
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.​

We don't always know when our journey begun, because God works in mysterious ways. Gods works in the lives of those He chose to save, through His Holy Spirit. We can't see the Holy Spirit, He is described as the wind. We can't see Him but we see His effect on the lives of those He is working in.,

 

[Ritajanice]

Gods Word reveals that saved people were saved out of all kinds of sinful lifestyles, such as homosexuality, but we were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 9,​

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,​

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.​

11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.​

We don't always know when our journey begun, because God works in mysterious ways. Gods works in the lives of those He chose to save, through His Holy Spirit. We can't see the Holy Spirit, He is described as the wind. We can't see Him but we see His effect on the lives of those He is working in.,

Thanks ,I know exactly when I became Born Again it blew my mind.
Plus I became Born Again ,having never read a Bible.
It came completely out of the blue, so, I’m afraid I disagree, when you saying ,we don’t always know when it happened, to me, saying that makes no sense, with respect.

 

[Ritajanice]

Gods Word reveals that saved people were saved out of all kinds of sinful lifestyles, such as homosexuality, but we were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

We’re not Born Again, not until we are forgiven our sins by God, he cannot indwell the spirit of a sinner.

Plus the Holy Spirit, when I became Born Again, witnessed to my spirit, the death and resurrection of Christ ,the Spirit also witnesses with our spirit that we are Gods Children, that’s the Living rebirth, Spirit gives birth to spirit..only the Holy Spirit can witness Gods truth to our heart/ spirit..that is where we are Born Of The Spirit...we aren’t Born Of the Bible.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Disagree.

SIN is unbelief IN GOD and the ONE He Sent.

Yes…a BELIEVER, can waver, can doubt, can deny God…and CAN STOP BELIEVING.
^^^ Commission of SIN!

No…A “BORN AGAIN BELIEVER”…can NOT doubt, can NOT deny God, and can NOT STOP BELIEVING.
^^^ can NOT Commit SIN!

Did you NOT learn the Scriptural teaching and understand the Significance of the Scriptural teaching…of Peter Following Jesus’….Peter Believing in Jesus…
BUT NOT YET “born again”…AND PETER “denying Jesus”??
AND….
AFTER Peter WAS born again….
Did you NOT grasp the Understanding…NEVER AGAIN could or did Peter STAND AGAINST the Lord God?

And did you NOT LEARN WHY the born again CAN NEVER thereafter…NOT BELIEVE?

The TRUTH is REVEALED…(in contrast to what you are preaching)…

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Those BORN of God CAN NOT SIN…
BECAUSE…Gods SEED remains IN the Born of God.

Scriptural verification…
1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Peter .. the Believer Peter … FEARED those OF the world.

Peter … the Born Again Peter….no longer FEARED those OF the world…BECAUSE he gained the OFFERED Gift to Have a POWER WITH-IN him, that is GREATER then that OF this world.

* Men OF this world USE FEAR TACTICS to Control, Oppress, Eliminated whom they choose..<—- ie Tribulations OF and IN this World.
* Men IN this world BUT NOT OF this world OVERCOME this world WHEN the POWeR OF GOD IS “IN” them.
* Men IN this world WHO ARE “IN” Christ and Christ “IN” them…
CAN NEVER AGAIN NOT BELIEVE IN THE LORD GOD…
SIN IS Against God.
SIN IS unbelief IN the Lord God.

Disagree with you, as does scripture, that men born again CAN COMMIT SIN AGAINST God.

Glory to God,
Taken

I think you have taken 1 John 3:9 out of it's intended context, because if your interpretation of it was correct, it would mean that that the bible contradicts itself.
John makes it perfectly clear at the beginning of his epistle that the truth is not in those who claim they don't sin.

1 John 1:8-9 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

When John talks about practicing sin, he's certainly not talking about sinning at all, because we see in the above verses, that born again Christians still sin. So we first have to recognize that we're sinners and confess that we're sinners.

So, when John talks about practicing sinning here, it seems that what he is dealing with is ongoing continual sin without repentance, without stopping that sin and striving towards righteousness.

 

[Ritajanice]

John makes it perfectly clear at the beginning of his epistle that the truth is not in those who claim they don't sin.

Plus God makes it perfectly clear, that a Born Again doesn’t sin, because they have been Born of God.

Which comes by divine heart revelation.just as his word says.
We are Born Of God’s Living seed?


1 John 3:9. ESV No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God 's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. NIV No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

 

[Hepzibah]

Fellow believer, you refer a lot to the Church Fathers. You don't believe that they were infallible in their writings, do you?

I do not think they were infallible, no, but they, being of the same culture and language as the Apostles, and their disciples, and of a closer gap of time period, were much better qualified to interpret scripture according to the intention of the writers.

Anyone who has studied the period is in agreement that the emphasis was on Theosis, or the transformation of man to the likeness of Christ. If any writings can be found from that time, that refute the belief that it is fully, as far as possible, to occur in this life, please quote them.

It was in fact, not only found in that period, but there were less heretical teachings generally in the first few hundred years, and the teaching itself was accepted less as time progressed. But it never disappeared, and I am studying The Philokalia, which contains the writings of 36 men from the 4rd C till the 15th, and it is the main subject.

You only cite one Bible verse out of context. For me, I will not claim that I'm sinless, when the Apostle Paul struggled with sin (Romans 7) and said that he wasn't perfect (Philippians 3).

Paul refutes you when he continues to show that the answer to his struggles was revealed to him and for which he praised God, over victory over the flesh which he discussed in other places, as well as other writers of the NT including that quote from Philippians, again taken out of context.

When God gave me the ability through Jesus' victory to overcome my external sins, he enabled me to turn to my internal sins that he led me to pray daily to replace with new-nature qualities. At 82 years old, I continue in God's process of spiritual growth through his Word and the Spirit's blessing on my prayer life.

You are repeatedly circling the Mountain of Union with Christ.

How many Christians are constantly joyful, prayerful, and thankful, as Paul commands us to be in 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18? I think that all of us always have a lot of spiritual growth to experience.

Few which shows us that something is missing in the modern day church which was present especially in the early years according to their testimony's.

 

[Taken]

I think you have taken 1 John 3:9 out of it's intended context, because if your interpretation of it was correct, it would mean that that the bible contradicts itself.
John makes it perfectly clear at the beginning of his epistle that the truth is not in those who claim they don't sin.

Disagree with your Understanding.

1 John 3:9 applies to a human individual who has MADE a commitment of their willing and able to receive Gods Offering: for Him to MAKE a Once and Forever “Change” in that individuals LIFE, According to Gods ORDER and WAY.

1 John 1:8-9 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Regarding…1 John 1:8
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Yes…that verse is true…
What does that verse have to DO with a BORN AGAIN individual?

Has ANYONE claiming they ARE born again………ALSO CLAIMED……
“they HAVE NO SIN”?

I didn’t….so why do you think that verse has any relevance in your conversation with me?

1 John 3:
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Regarding… 1 John 1: 9
That verse HAS A CAVEAT….”IF”…
That CAVEAT is in accordance with Gods “order and way”….that an individual fulfills BEFORE he is MADE…born again.

When John talks about practicing sin, he's certainly not talking about sinning at all, because we see in the above verses, that born again Christians still sin.

Practicing SIN…is like ANYTHING that is PRACTICE….which simply means Repeating a USUAL BEHAVIOR…to Perfect the USUAL BEHAVIOR…

Why do you imply an understanding of a person confessing TO the Lord God….their desire to OVERCOME SIN….INCLUDES their desire to CONTINUE PRACTICING and PERFECTING committing SIN?

So we first have to recognize that we're sinners and confess that we're sinners.

Well no kidding…

The issue is:….

You are attempting to MAKE…an individuals. Recognization…Confession….Receipt of a Born Again Spirit IRRELEVANT

Being that…the SAME which applied to that Individual BEFORE being MADE BORN AGAIN….STILL APPLY….

No…it does not…

Having sin….
Committing sin….
Having forgiven sin….
Sinning NO MORE…

Are not the same things…
They are part of the Process, according to Gods Offering of His Order and Way…

Gods ORDER and WAY….in the OT …. Was according to WHAT, HOW, and WHEN….God Offered men in THAT ERA.

Gods ORDER and WAY….in the NT……Was as SCRIPTURE SAYS…a BETTER OFFERING…

OT…NT….nothing has Changed….
A Human Body OF FLESH MUST DIE…BEFORE it’s soul can be saved…
BEFORE it’s spirit can be born again…

The NT….(better offering)….
IS Gods ACCEPTANCE of a human man “taking Gods OFFERING to BE “BODILY CRUCIFIED” with Jesus’ BODY”…..to BE
Acceptable to God…AS that man HAVING fuliflled the ONE REQUIREMENT of ONE BODILY DEATH….BEFORE God can Save that mans soul and quicken that mans spirit!!!

SO WHY….is that BETTER…as Scripture teaches?

BECAUSE from there FORWARD…(even while that man remains PHYSICALLY ALIVE….)
SPIRITUALLY…that man HAS ALREADY received the ASSURANCE….FOREVER….
“BY the Power of God”….
That man SHALL FOREVER “BE” with God..
AND…
FOREVER the Lord God Almighty SHALL “BE” with that individual man.

Men WHO ARE NOT … soul saved and spirit quickened…..ARE STILL functioning according to THEIR OWN POWER…thoughts, whims, ever changing ideas, beliefs….
AND….
CAN follow after the Lord God,,,,or a any moment doubt, deny, reject, walk away from the Lord God…and they be called….
Having fallen from FAITH.
(Not…born again and then not born again as some falsely teach).

You SHOULD have at some point in your life….noticed, heard, seen….men claim…”they USED to Believe…but now doubt, deny, reject”….They WERE NOT born again….(as IF they FOOLED the all knowing God….and got their ticket out of hell….without a commitment.)

Men and Women….making VOWS, promises of one to another in a marriage contract….
ARE….supposed to be “PRACTICING”….their faithfulness ONE to the OTHER….in a preview, trial of sorts….learning how it is sometimes easy, sometimes difficult, sometimes hard to understand the other, always requires trust……….ALL in Preparation FOR a ONE on ONE Forever Relationship BOND that CAN NOT BE BROKEN….between ONE individual and the Lord God Almighty.

POINT BEING….the BOND between one individual and the Lord God……MUST First be “established”….according to Gods (not mans), order and way….and ONCE “established”…..CAN NEVER be broken…
…..AND WHY there is a WARNING TO mankind…..BE SURE, BE VERY SURE before MAKING a Commitment to the Lord God…
IT IS FOREVER….(no convenient “divorces” as men repeatedly do).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Christian Soldier]

No, sorry,,I have been Born Again by the Spirit Of God..Spirit gives birth to spirit, which can only come by divine heart revelation,just as Gods word says we are Born Of The Spirit...we become Born Of Gods seed..that Living seed, penetrates the spirit of his child, takes root and will grow into a beautiful tree.
.A Born Again has been grafted into the true vine..we are in Christ..

A Born Again does not sin, why, because we have been Born Of God’s Living seed..just as Gods word says.,which comes by heart revelation.

No, God says you were not born of His seed. He said you were born dead in your sin

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ceasing sin activity is a point in the KJV as well. Down goes your argument.

John 5 (KJV)​

14Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.​

​

1 Cor. 15 (KJV)​

34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.​

I think you're just making excuses at this point.

No, I'm simply exposing your error. You're trying to convince me that God contradicts Himself, but I'm here to tell you that He does not. You will never convince me that God is confused and doesn't know what he's talking about, but I am convinced that you're confused because you ignored all the charges I bought against you and referred to unrelated scriptures to sidestep the issue.

You have no biblical foundation to support your idea. You never explained why I should rubbish what the Apostle Paul said and believe your opinion instead. I'm sorry to inform you that I don't rubbish Gods prophets, to embrace the private opinions of strangers.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Thanks ,I know exactly when I became Born Again it blew my mind.
Plus I became Born Again ,having never read a Bible.
It came completely out of the blue, so, I’m afraid I disagree, when you saying ,we don’t always know when it happened, to me, saying that makes no sense, with respect.

I never claimed we all have the same conversion experience. In fact I did say we all have different experiences. You sound like you experienced a dramatic change, but I didn't experience anything dramatic. So my conversion was subtle and gradual, so I didn't know I was being regenerated and converted.

I can't speak for you and you can't speak for me, so it's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing about this supernatural invisible change.

 

[Taken]

Plus God makes it perfectly clear, that a Born Again doesn’t sin, because they have been Born of God.

@Christian Soldier

TRUE….Amen and Amen!

Not ONLY is one born of God (Gods SEED) made perfectly clear they do not commit SIN, they Can NOT SIN….and the explanation….the BECAUSE WHY…the …..interpretation according to Gods WORD…is made perfectly clear….!!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Christian Soldier]

We’re not Born Again, not until we are forgiven our sins by God, he cannot indwell the spirit of a sinner.

Plus the Holy Spirit, when I became Born Again, witnessed to my spirit, the death and resurrection of Christ ,the Spirit also witnesses with our spirit that we are Gods Children, that’s the Living rebirth, Spirit gives birth to spirit..only the Holy Spirit can witness Gods truth to our heart/ spirit..that is where we are Born Of The Spirit...we aren’t Born Of the Bible.

I don't know when I was born again, but I know that God regenerated me while I was totally depraved and dead in my trespasses and sin.

I don't know of any scripture that supports this idea that God has to forgive our sin before we are born again. My sins were forgiven 2000 years ago, when Jesus paid for all of my past, present and all future sins. So I am fully forgiven before I even sin.

The bible tells me that being born again, doesn't mean that we stop sinning, nor does it mean that we became like Christ, what it does say is that we are given a token or promise to become sinless in the life to come. There is nothing to support this idea that we can attain that in this life.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thanks ,I know exactly when I became Born Again it blew my mind.
Plus I became Born Again ,having never read a Bible.
It came completely out of the blue, so, I’m afraid I disagree, when you saying ,we don’t always know when it happened, to me, saying that makes no sense, with respect.

The born again BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST
what the Spirit first does is to draw us to CHRIST , the FATHER draws us to HIM
then Does our new and living way Begin in CHRIST . WHEREIN the LOVE for TRUTH has been shed upon our hearts
by the HOLY GHOST given unto the beleiver . And believe you me , the true born again beleiver
GONNA LOVE THEM HOLY WORDS of scripture . A love for truth is and cometh OF GOD .
But always remember and keep it in memory that GOD the FATHER DOES NOT DRAW one
to a false religoin . HE draws them to JESUS the CHRIST . many are beginning to believe a lie sister .
a lie that implies even the false religoins have the SPIRIT . NO SO . for the SPIRIT draws us TO CHRIST
not to DENY JESUS as the CHRIST . YOU KEEP that in mind no matter what any man , donkey angel or anyother
tries to say . GOD desires LIFE for all , THUS HE SURE dont point to a false religoin .
GOD the FATHER testifies of the son , not budda and good works , or muhammd and good works or any other ism and good works .
But of JESUS the CHRIST . if any comes along and tries to omit that fact and preaches some other gospel
DONT HEED a word outta they mouth for they have come ONLY to decieve .

 

[Marvelloustime]

The born again BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST
what the Spirit first does is to draw us to CHRIST , the FATHER draws us to HIM
then Does our new and living way Begin in CHRIST . WHEREIN the LOVE for TRUTH has been shed upon our hearts
by the HOLY GHOST given unto the beleiver . And believe you me , the true born again beleiver
GONNA LOVE THEM HOLY WORDS of scripture . A love for truth is and cometh OF GOD .
But always remember and keep it in memory that GOD the FATHER DOES NOT DRAW one
to a false religoin . HE draws them to JESUS the CHRIST . many are beginning to believe a lie sister .
a lie that implies even the false religoins have the SPIRIT . NO SO . for the SPIRIT draws us TO CHRIST
not to DENY JESUS as the CHRIST . YOU KEEP that in mind no matter what any man , donkey angel or anyother
tries to say . GOD desires LIFE for all , THUS HE SURE dont point to a false religoin .
GOD the FATHER testifies of the son , not budda and good works , or muhammd and good works or any other ism and good works .
But of JESUS the CHRIST . if any comes along and tries to omit that fact and preaches some other gospel
DONT HEED a word outta they mouth for they have come ONLY to decieve .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

@Christian Soldier

TRUE….Amen and Amen!

Not ONLY is one born of God (Gods SEED) made perfectly clear they do not commit SIN, they Can NOT SIN….and the explanation….the BECAUSE WHY…the …..interpretation according to Gods WORD…is made perfectly clear….!!

Glory to God,
Taken

Beware . what i say to one i say to all . This is not to accuse it is to remind .
Many speak of a seed and yet that seed was not the planting of GOD but of the dark one .
That tree that it became , though it grows large and massive and it can appear
beatiful and green and spreads its branches far and wide as does a green bray tree
YE shall know it by the FRUIT it do produce .
The SEED which is the planting of GOD , IS THIS SEED
JESUS THE CHRIST who said if the seed die and fall into the ground it shall grow up
and become a large massive tree wherein all the birds and fowls of the air shall rest and lodge in it .
THAT SEED IS JESUS THE CHRIST , THE PLANTING OF THE FATHER . and HE sure did RISE again from the earth .
Now many of the dry tree can claim to be of the green tree . and both trees can appear
to be very large and have many branches , many leaves . AND both trees do bear fruit .
THE TREE of the dark one whose seed be of the liar , ITS FRUITS ARE ROTTED TWICE DEAD JESUS DENYING FRUITS
Those of the green tree , THEY bear good fruit and the fruit of the SPIRIT is in all goodness ,righteousness and TRUTH .
Proving that which is acceptable to GOD . TRUTH . JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH THE WAY and THE LIFE
The dry tree has grown massive under interfaith but believe me its twice dead , it shall be rooted up
and all its JESUS CHRIST DENYING branches BURNED up .
THE SEED .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Beware . what i say to one i say to all . This is not to accuse it is to remind .
Many speak of a seed and yet that seed was not the planting of GOD but of the dark one .
That tree that it became , though it grows large and massive and it can appear
beatiful and green and spreads its branches far and wide as does a green bray tree
YE shall know it by the FRUIT it do produce .
The SEED which is the planting of GOD , IS THIS SEED
JESUS THE CHRIST who said if the seed die and fall into the ground it shall grow up
and become a large massive tree wherein all the birds and fowls of the air shall rest and lodge in it .
THAT SEED IS JESUS THE CHRIST , THE PLANTING OF THE FATHER . and HE sure did RISE again from the earth .
Now many of the dry tree can claim to be of the green tree . and both trees can appear
to be very large and have many branches , many leaves . AND both trees do bear fruit .
THE TREE of the dark one whose seed be of the liar , ITS FRUITS ARE ROTTED TWICE DEAD JESUS DENYING FRUITS
Those of the green tree , THEY bear good fruit and the fruit of the SPIRIT is in all goodness ,righteousness and TRUTH .
Proving that which is acceptable to GOD . TRUTH . JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH THE WAY and THE LIFE
The dry tree has grown massive under interfaith but believe me its twice dead , it shall be rooted up
and all its JESUS CHRIST DENYING branches BURNED up .
THE SEED .

@amigo de christo

 

[Taken]

Beware . what i say to one i say to all . This is not to accuse it is to remind .
Many speak of a seed and yet that seed was not the planting of GOD but of the dark one .
That tree that it became , though it grows large and massive and it can appear
beatiful and green and spreads its branches far and wide as does a green bray tree
YE shall know it by the FRUIT it do produce .
The SEED which is the planting of GOD , IS THIS SEED
JESUS THE CHRIST who said if the seed die and fall into the ground it shall grow up
and become a large massive tree wherein all the birds and fowls of the air shall rest and lodge in it .
THAT SEED IS JESUS THE CHRIST , THE PLANTING OF THE FATHER . and HE sure did RISE again from the earth .
Now many of the dry tree can claim to be of the green tree . and both trees can appear
to be very large and have many branches , many leaves . AND both trees do bear fruit .
THE TREE of the dark one whose seed be of the liar , ITS FRUITS ARE ROTTED TWICE DEAD JESUS DENYING FRUITS
Those of the green tree , THEY bear good fruit and the fruit of the SPIRIT is in all goodness ,righteousness and TRUTH .
Proving that which is acceptable to GOD . TRUTH . JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH THE WAY and THE LIFE
The dry tree has grown massive under interfaith but believe me its twice dead , it shall be rooted up
and all its JESUS CHRIST DENYING branches BURNED up .
THE SEED .

WHY?
Do you specifically direct scriptural WARNINGS, your REMINDERS TO:

Soul Sav-ED and Spirit Quicken-ED…individuals…. “AS IF” they are in jeopardy of being Separated FROM God?