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Can you not see by comparing the text of Ezekiel 39:17-20 with the text of Revelation 19:17-18, that it is talking about the same event ?

Let me give you a long version... first, let go back to Matthew, the secret chambers refer to that concealed. It is the same Greek word that is translated "closet" elsewhere. It is depicting a concealed room where one would store things out of sight, such as clothes, tools, goods or provisions. Not unlike the pantry or closet you or I might have today that conceals our possessions. In this context it is just illustrating where he might be concealed from sight. For example, typically as the word is used in Matthew 6:6:

Matthew 6:6
  • "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

That word translated "closet" is the exact same word that is translated secret chamber in Matthew 24:26, because it signifies where you might go to be concealed or not seen (a secret place). Therefore, when the Lord speaks of Christ charged with being in secret chambers, He is talking about false Christians claiming that Christ is there with them, but He is hidden so you don't see Him. It is Christ's usual cryptic language illustrating this time of tribulation where for the "faithful" saints, Christ is hard to find in the world.

Matthew 24:26
  • "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
In other words, "if you don't see Christ, don't go there expecting Him" just because someone said He's there in their church. Christ is not hidden. The context of this passage is of a time where the faithful Christians (Two Witnesses) are hated for their strict views, persecuted and reviled as legalistic, and the Church has become apostatized where false Christs and prophets abound. Here is when people are telling them that Christ is here and there among them, even though they can't or don't see Him. Then don't go forth. Much like today where people will tell you that the Churches are filled with the Holy Spirit, and though the Word is not faithfully kept there, Christ is there concealed because that's His Church. Christ is saying, don't believe it.

Matthew 24:23-25
  • "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
  • For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
  • Behold, I have told you before."
Most people think Matthew 24:26 is telling them that there will be a time when a bunch of people will claim to actually be Christ and deceive many. Many false Christs doesn't mean many people claiming to actually be Christ. That "should be" ridiculous to serious Christians, because some lunatics claiming that they are Christ are not going to deceive many. At best a few gullible folk. But Christ is speaking of a much more dastardly, insidious and effective deception. A time when false Christians full of deceit and transforming themselves so that people will "believe" that they were the anointed apostles of Christ (2Co 11:13-15), tell them theirs was Christ's Church. His body. They believe that Christ is among them through the FALSE prophets and christs, even though "you," the Elect, clearly cannot see Him. Well, Christ is warning us in cryptic language, if they claim he is in the desert, we are not to believe them. For the desert is a dry and thirsty ground without water. You will not find water of gospel in fallen church. And if they claim he is in the "secret chambers" or (in other words) is concealed among them, believe it not! For if Christ is hidden, He is hidden to them that believe not. Christ is saying if you don't see Him there, He isn't really there, for Christ is not hidden to you. If you see lawlessness or abominations, in the church, that's what's there. If you see abomination stand in the Holy Place where Christ should stand, then flee to the "Mountain Retreat", the Kingdom Refuge found only in God's holy Spiritual mountain. His people are secured in that refuge, while the unfaithful will remain in spiritual fornication claiming, He is there out of sight. And Christ continues in this context. Pay close attention how the birds are gathered together...

Matthew 24:27-29
  • "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
  • For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
  • Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
Lightning is often a synonym for God's judgment. And it's not the literal Sun going dark, nor the Moon darkened or turning to blood, nor are physical stars falling to this earth (as if they could, and be a SIGN), but spiritually God's light has gone out, and the blood of the prophets is required! The restraint of iniquity has been taken out of the way where it (Matthew 24:12) abounds. Why would some listen to those claiming Christ is still within the dead Church? Think about it. It is BECAUSE they are deceived, being unfaithful and unrepentant. They call themselves the body of Christ, they have a name that lives, but they are dead. Bottom line, Christ is not hidden, so that if you don't see Him, don't believe those who claim that Christ is still quietly among them winking at their sins. For where you find the carcass (dead body) is where you will find God's judgment of eagles gathered together unto these Kings of the earth. This is where the birds that fly in the midst of heaven! Remember heaven is the kingdom of heaven, the congregation! Not literal heaven.

Revelation 19:17-19

  • "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
  • That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
  • And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."
That speaks of God's judgment upon the dead body, the fallen great city, that great Harlot, Babylon the Great, that shall rise no more. Christ is not there anymore, so that when people claim He is, and you don't see Him, believe it not! For the time has come when he who retrain, has been taken out of the midst (2nd Thessalonians 2:7). And Christ are removing his Elect OUT of fallen church and use them as the "eagles", meaning they will prophesy judgment against unfaithful church from standing afar off! That does not mean we will going to eat the bodies of dead kings, captains, mighty men, horses, etc. Christ is INDEED COMING and the judgment of the unfaithful church is taking place but He won't be coming down visible into the air until the hour of her judgment is finished! Then the last trump finally blow! Selah!
 

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So you don't believe that Jesus's return is what ends the great tribulation ?

When the judgment of the Whore, the fallen church, is fulfilled! Remember the judgment must take place in the House of God before the world, so it will take place right before the Second Coming for it is a sign of His Return. Selah!
 

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Now think deeply on this and pray feverently about this .
Satans version . GOD is love , GOD does not desire the death of any , So no matter what one believes
in the end THEY WONT PERISH , they wont be damned .
THE TRUE VERSION and HOW IT SHOULD BE USED IS THIS right here my friend , GOD IS LOVE
GOD does not desire the death of any , ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON SO THAT ALL WHO DO BELEIVE BELEIVE BELEIVE
in HIM WOULD NOT PERISH but have Everlasting life .
ONE VERSION POINTS TO DEATH , THE OTHER TO LIFE . AND YET THE same scrips were used . SATAN IS SLICK .
but the lambs DONT HEED HIM
 

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When the judgment of the Whore, the fallen church, is fulfilled! Remember the judgment must take place in the House of God before the world, so it will take place right before the Second Coming for it is a sign of His Return. Selah!
The WHORE unites all by interfaith , a false love . Believest thou this .
She is merging all false religoins and many within christendom right to A LIE that cannot and will not save them
but will damn every last one of them .
What is the lie . THIS , the christain truth is no better than the muslims or any other religoins.
And she has promised this world , PEACE and safety , world peace and peace in the middle east
the relgions must unite as one . SHE is HO friend and many are now under her interfaith finding common ground delusion .
 
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The WHORE unites all by interfaith , a false love . Believest thou this .

False. The whore is not made up of all religions of the world, interfaith or not. Mystery Babylon is the New Testament congregation that has fallen from God.

That's "exactly" why it's called a mystery or secret. Because they don't know what it represents, are dull of hearing, have scales on their eyes that they cannot see, and are unable to comprehend the dark sayings of the Lord's word.

Mark 4:11
  • "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:"

How is the kingdom of God a mystery? It's the same principle. It's a mystery because so many "do not know" what it represents. It's a secret to them. i.e. it's a spiritual kingdom, not a plot of royal dirt in the Middle East. A majority of Christians are looking for Christ to come back and establish an earthly kingdom in Jerusalem in the Middle East. Why? Because the truth of the matter is a mystery to them. It is given us (the elect) to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but unto them that are without (or outside) the camp, all these things are done in parables that they may not know. It remains a mystery to them, while to us it is a Revelation. The same principle as it is written in the mystery of the gospel, the mystery of Iniquity, the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret since the world began, the mystery of the seven stars Christ held in His right hand, or mystery Babylon. They are all secrets to many and the secret revealed to the few. Selah.


And she has promised this world , PEACE and safety , world peace and peace in the middle east

A whore promised a world peace and peace in the Middle East? Where do you find that in Scripture?
 
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False. The whore is not made up of all religions of the world, interfaith or not. Mystery Babylon is the New Testament congregation that has fallen from God.

That's "exactly" why it's called a mystery or secret. Because they don't know what it represents, are dull of hearing, have scales on their eyes that they cannot see, and are unable to comprehend the dark sayings of the Lord's word.

Mark 4:11
  • "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:"

How is the kingdom of God a mystery? It's the same principle. It's a mystery because so many "do not know" what it represents. It's a secret to them. i.e. it's a spiritual kingdom, not a plot of royal dirt in the Middle East. A majority of Christians are looking for Christ to come back and establish an earthly kingdom in Jerusalem in the Middle East. Why? Because the truth of the matter is a mystery to them. It is given us (the elect) to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but unto them that are without (or outside) the camp, all these things are done in parables that they may not know. It remains a mystery to them, while to us it is a Revelation. The same principle as it is written in the mystery of the gospel, the mystery of Iniquity, the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret since the world began, the mystery of the seven stars Christ held in His right hand, or mystery Babylon. They are all secrets to many and the secret revealed to the few. Selah.




A whore promised a world peace and peace in the Middle East? Where do you find that in Scripture?
the whore is the as you said . IT IS SHE who is uniting the religoins through interfaith .
INTERFAITH CAME OF CHRISTENDOM . And the plan is to CENTER this religion IN JERSUALEM .
As far as the peace part , That cometh of anti christ , that which is of anti christ and yet that too cometh of interfaith
WHICH THE WHORE pours out in her cup of fornication . SO correct you are it is THE VERY ONES WHO USED HIS NAME
that means IN LARGE what many THINK is the church .
 
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Give your break down of Ezekiel 39.
Prophecy is for the purpose of what? to know the future? So what is the purpose of knowing the future?

The OT prophecies primarily were locked for the people of those times. Have you ever wondered why?
OT prophecies for the most part, also NT prophecies for the most part are locked for the people of this age, although there are many proposing insight. Ever wonder why they are locked?

Jesus said of the 'learned' religious folk of his day they had taken away the key of knowledge. Soooo, what is the key of knowledge?

Somehow, the wise men from the east had an insight of sorts.....and the shepherds on Bethlehems hills......even the young (probably teenage) mother of Jesus reveals insight into God's purposes in her praise. Where did it come from? What did she see that others didn't?

Ok, I'm rambling, but frankly, unless we see Gods purpose in Jesus, unless we understand that HE is the key and interpret prophecy accordingly, it becomes a process of firing blanks into the dark.

We need to start in seeing (comprehending) Jesus. It is only then that the purpose of prophecy comes into its own. Without seeing Jesus as its purpose, one can in ones own self importance, debate endlessly.....and as Paul so eloquently says, 'forever learn but never come to a knowledge of the truth'
 
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Scott, you claim that the seven days of creation was reflected in the life and time of the messiah.

Explain your claim - what in the life and time of the messiah reflected the seven days of creation ?

First, it would be wrong to call what I have said a mere "claim", as if it were my own understanding or assertion. On the contrary, I have made a proclamation from God:

The seven day creation account was God telling us what was to follow--as He later made clear through the prophet Isaiah, saying, "Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them” (Isaiah 42:9). Then Daniel, by an angel of the Lord, elaborated (after and under the confusion of all language at Babel) giving the complete timeframe of Daniel's "people", which pertains to "all in Adam" and "in Christ"--meaning, throughout all of time. In which Daniel did with the seven-day model of the creation week, as all of time "divided" in "half", which God had also done with the seven days of creation and all of time by dividing the light from the darkness. Daniel then equated the seven days with three days or three segments, placing Messiah in the middle. Which Jesus then elaborated saying, "Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected" (Luke 13:32)...which are the three woes.​
 

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The seven day creation account was God telling us what was to follow--as He later made clear through the prophet Isaiah, saying, "Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them” (Isaiah 42:9). Then Daniel, by an angel of the Lord, elaborated (after and under the confusion of all language at Babel) giving the complete timeframe of Daniel's "people", which pertains to "all in Adam" and "in Christ"--meaning, throughout all of time. In which Daniel did with the seven-day model of the creation week, as all of time "divided" in "half", which God had also done with the seven days of creation and all of time by dividing the light from the darkness. Daniel then equated the seven days with three days or three segments, placing Messiah in the middle. Which Jesus then elaborated saying, "Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected" (Luke 13:32)...which are the three woes.​
Scott, your post is not worth me continuing this dialog with you.
 

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First, it would be wrong to call what I have said a mere "claim", as if it were my own understanding or assertion. On the contrary, I have made a proclamation from God:

The seven day creation account was God telling us what was to follow--as He later made clear through the prophet Isaiah, saying, "Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them” (Isaiah 42:9). Then Daniel, by an angel of the Lord, elaborated (after and under the confusion of all language at Babel) giving the complete timeframe of Daniel's "people", which pertains to "all in Adam" and "in Christ"--meaning, throughout all of time. In which Daniel did with the seven-day model of the creation week, as all of time "divided" in "half", which God had also done with the seven days of creation and all of time by dividing the light from the darkness. Daniel then equated the seven days with three days or three segments, placing Messiah in the middle. Which Jesus then elaborated saying, "Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected" (Luke 13:32)...which are the three woes.​
Scott, your post is a typical example of cobbling scriptures at random without a clear objective. To what end I would ask? Perhaps you could tell me?
 

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So you don't believe that Jesus's return is what ends the great tribulation ?

So Douggg, when will you begin telling the truth with respect to God's prophetic end times. When are you going to realise that your cobbled understanding of the end times is flawed and misleading. When are you going to realise that the Book of Revelation cannot be read as a linear account of the seventh age. When are you going to realise that there are many metaphorical pictures that you have not understood.

God wants all of mankind to take root in His fertile soil in His field, the whole earth which He created, but the choice is ours to make as to whether or not we die to self and send our roots down into God's fertile soil, His word, so that we will receive our inheritance by being washed/covered in/by the Blood of Christ so that we gain our righteousness and receive a heart after Christs.

Douggg, do you not realise that Revelation 19 and 20 have the same starting point in time, that is the beginning of the seventh age, and that the chapters run in parallel with each other such that the capture of the Beast and the False Prophet occur shortly before the capture of Satan and that all three are dispatched into the lake of fire before the lake of fire is also consumed and is not more.

Douggg, you firmly believe that you are writing your truth, but to many on this forum it is only your beliefs that you present and not God's prophetic words.

Goodbye Douggg
 

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False. The whore is not made up of all religions of the world, interfaith or not. Mystery Babylon is the New Testament congregation that has fallen from God.


And what is the name of those who did not fall from God? Does their congregation have a name of some kind to identify them?
 

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So Douggg, when will you begin telling the truth with respect to God's prophetic end times. When are you going to realise that your cobbled understanding of the end times is flawed and misleading. When are you going to realise that the Book of Revelation cannot be read as a linear account of the seventh age. When are you going to realise that there are many metaphorical pictures that you have not understood.

God wants all of mankind to take root in His fertile soil in His field, the whole earth which He created, but the choice is ours to make as to whether or not we die to self and send our roots down into God's fertile soil, His word, so that we will receive our inheritance by being washed/covered in/by the Blood of Christ so that we gain our righteousness and receive a heart after Christs.

Douggg, do you not realise that Revelation 19 and 20 have the same starting point in time, that is the beginning of the seventh age, and that the chapters run in parallel with each other such that the capture of the Beast and the False Prophet occur shortly before the capture of Satan and that all three are dispatched into the lake of fire before the lake of fire is also consumed and is not more.

Douggg, you firmly believe that you are writing your truth, but to many on this forum it is only your beliefs that you present and not God's prophetic words.

Goodbye Douggg
Jay, do you believe that Jesus's return is what ends the great tribulation ?
 

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And what is the name of those who did not fall from God? Does their congregation have a name of some kind to identify them?

You need to understand that the New Testament congregation or Great/Holy City for the past 2,000 year is making up of two groups of people. Those who are sealed and measured by God are the True Eternal Church. Those who are NOT sealed or measured by God are external or corporate believers. It is in the Bible:

Rev 11:1-2
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
(2) But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Rev 9:3-4

(3) And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
(4) And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Christ and His True Eternal Church will NEVER have abomination in their midst. Only the corporate or external part of the congregation allows abominations in their midst that cause them to be desolate. This is where the false prophets and christs prosper. They do fall. It is the judgment of the whore - Mystery Babylon.
 

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You need to understand that the New Testament congregation or Great/Holy City for the past 2,000 year is making up of two groups of people. Those who are sealed and measured by God are the True Eternal Church. Those who are NOT sealed or measured by God are external or corporate believers. It is in the Bible:

Rev 11:1-2
(1) And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
(2) But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Rev 9:3-4

(3) And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
(4) And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Christ and His True Eternal Church will NEVER have abomination in their midst. Only the corporate or external part of the congregation allows abominations in their midst that cause them to be desolate. This is where the false prophets and christs prosper. They do fall. It is the judgment of the whore - Mystery Babylon.


I asked for a name for that group.
 

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Scott, your post is a typical example of cobbling scriptures at random without a clear objective. To what end I would ask? Perhaps you could tell me?

If one does not connect the dots, they remain disconnected. The seeds of truth have been scattered in the earth, if one gathers them it is bread from heaven.
 

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If one does not connect the dots, they remain disconnected. The seeds of truth have been scattered in the earth, if one gathers them it is bread from heaven.
Soooo, I see you are clearly not connecting the dots intended to be connected.