the three woes

[Douggg]

Your paradigm has a flawed premise Douggg. Unless this is recognised or at the least questioned for the purpose of solution, it is like using an electrical switchboard to connect water, it only ends up with a short.

But did you read the verses ? Compare Ezekiel 39:17-20 to Revelation 19:17-18 ?

Here I will post them....

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.


Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

 

[Douggg]

Gobbledegook Douggg!

Not only are the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27. But the 7 years are in Revelation 12.

the 1260 days Revelation 12:6 + the war in the second heaven time, Revelation 12:7-9 + the time,times, half time Revelation 12:14

equals 7 years.

 

[TribulationSigns]

But did you read the verses ? Compare Ezekiel 39:17-20 to Revelation 19:17-18 ?

Here I will post them....

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.


Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Good job on quoting Scripture here. The million-dollar question is do you understand what the verses are talking about here? Do you even dare to believe that God is talking about nations pointing their guns and missiles at Christ where He will have the birds and animals coming to feast upon human bodies to eat, humm? What does the context talk about? Is it not the dead body of the whore, the congregation of God? This has nothing to do with your 7-year nonsense.

 

[ScottA]

Where in the text is the angel of Daniel 10:14-12:13 referring to the seven days of creation ?

Scott, there needs to be something written in the text. Just saying the seven days of creation foreshadowed the life and time of the Messiah is inadequate. And also you are not being clear in what way was the seven days of creation reflected in the life and time of the Messiah.

Your perspective and expectations are completely up side down and backwards. Apparently you have no real understanding of the reality and fact that the "text" of the scriptures is not greater than the spirit which inspired it to be written--written under the restraint of confused language until He who restrains is taken out of the way. Such a perspective was foretold.

What is written is masterfully twisted and restrained, and must be spiritually unraveled. This is the fulfillment of being led unto all truth promised by Christ. How is it that you have not expected this to come?

 

[quietthinker]

But did you read the verses ? Compare Ezekiel 39:17-20 to Revelation 19:17-18 ?

Here I will post them....

Ezekiel 39:
17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.


Revelation 19:
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

I s'pose we take Jesus words literally also?.....'unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you' John 6:53

 

[Douggg]

Your perspective and expectations are completely up side down and backwards. Apparently you have no real understanding of the reality and fact that the "text" of the scriptures is not greater than the spirit which inspired it to be written--written under the restraint of confused language until He who restrains is taken out of the way. Such a perspective was foretold.

What is written is masterfully twisted and restrained, and must be spiritually unraveled. This is the fulfillment of being led unto all truth promised by Christ. How is it that you have not expected this to come?

Scott, you claim that the seven days of creation was reflected in the life and time of the messiah.

Explain your claim - what in the life and time of the messiah reflected the seven days of creation ?

 

[Douggg]

I s'pose we take Jesus words literally also?.....'unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you' John 6:53

Can you not see by comparing the text of Ezekiel 39:17-20 with the text of Revelation 19:17-18, that it is talking about the same event ?

 

[quietthinker]

Can you not see by comparing the text of Ezekiel 39:17-20 with the text of Revelation 19:17-18, that it is talking about the same event ?

I can see the similarity of language, however, how it is interpreted is another matter.

 

[Douggg]

Good job on quoting Scripture here. The million-dollar question is do you understand what the verses are talking about here? Do you even dare to believe that God is talking about nations pointing their guns and missiles at Christ where He will have the birds and animals coming to feast upon human bodies to eat, humm? What does the context talk about? Is it not the dead body of the whore, the congregation of God? This has nothing to do with your 7-year nonsense.

Can you not see by comparing the text of Ezekiel 39:17-20 with the text of Revelation 19:17-18, that it is talking about the same event ?

 

[Douggg]

I can see the similarity of language, however, how it is interpreted is another matter.

Read Revelation 19:11-21. Can you not see that it is talking about Jesus's return, His Second Coming ?

 

[quietthinker]

Can you not see by comparing the text of Ezekiel 39:17-20 with the text of Revelation 19:17-18, that it is talking about the same event ?

It is HOW you join the dots Douggg that I find to be the problem.
The question is, are you employing exegesis or eisegesis? I would say you use the later, building a structure on sand.

 

[Douggg]

It is HOW you join the dots Douggg that I find to be the problem.

Is that a "yes" - that you do see Revelation 19:11-21 as being Jesus's return, His Second Coming ?

 

[quietthinker]

Is that a "yes" - that you do see Revelation 19:11-21 as being Jesus's return, His Second Coming ?

What is under discussion is the hotchpotch of your timeline chart in post #25. Now you want to focus on certain texts rather than the principle you are using which is cobbling texts which sound similar to validate your eisegesis.

 

[Jay Ross]

Can you not see that it is talking about Jesus's return, His Second Coming ?

The answer to that question, is NO. Verses Rev 19:11-21 are talking about Jesus dealing with the Beast and the False Prophet/The Little Horn during the Little While period after the 1,000 years that the Judged Heavenly Hosts, i.e. Satan, the beast and the False Prophet have been imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit.

Jesus' Second coming only happen after Satan is also dispatched into the Lake of Fire where he joins the Beast and the False Prophet permanently.

I am now not the only person who questions your faulty logic and understanding of the Scriptures.

 

[Douggg]

What is under discussion is the hotchpotch of your timeline chart in post #25. Now you want to focus on certain texts rather than the principle you are using which is cobbling texts which sound similar to validate your eisegesis.

You are having a hard time coping with my timeline chart because of your belief in EGW's SDA interpretations - which are in error.

My timeline chart in post #25 is based on the 7 year 70th week still being unfulfilled. I showed that the text of Ezekiel 39 proves that the 7 years 70th week follows the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39. The 7 years being the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9. Then at the end of the 7 years, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same event as the Revelation 19:17-18 event. Then I showed that Revelation 19:11-21, containing verses 17-18, is Jesus's return, His Second Coming. Which in Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

 

[Douggg]

The answer to that question, is NO. Verses Rev 19:11-21 are talking about Jesus dealing with the Beast and the False Prophet/The Little Horn during the Little While period after the 1,000 years that the Judged Heavenly Hosts, i.e. Satan, the beast and the False Prophet have been imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit.

Jay, Revelation 19:11-21 is before the thousand years of Revelation 20:2 begin. Jesus's return is what ends the great tribulation.

 

[quietthinker]

You are having a hard time coping with my timeline chart because of your belief in EGW's SDA interpretations - which are in error.

My timeline chart in post #25 is based on the 7 year 70th week still being unfulfilled. I showed that the text of Ezekiel 39 proves that the 7 years 70th week follows the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39. The 7 years being the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9. Then at the end of the 7 years, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same event as the Revelation 19:17-18 event. Then I showed that Revelation 19:11-21, containing verses 17-18, is Jesus's return, His Second Coming. Which in Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.














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You are only repeating yourself Douggg, without addressing anything.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, Revelation 19:11-21 is before the thousand years of Revelation 20:2 begin. Jesus's return is what ends the great tribulation.

Douggg, your lack of understanding the events of the Seventh Age and their subsequent timeline shows how little you actually know and any further discussion with you is pointless because of your flawed misunderstandings.

Goodbye

 

[Douggg]

You are only repeating yourself Douggg, without addressing anything.

Give your break down of Ezekiel 39.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, your lack of understanding the events of the Seventh Age and their subsequent timeline shows how little you actually know and any further discussion with you is pointless because of your flawed misunderstandings.

Goodbye

So you don't believe that Jesus's return is what ends the great tribulation ?