the three woes
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Revelation 9 says what the first and second woes will be.
Compare that text with what Arnold Murray said.
In Daniel 12:7 which the "time, times, half time" phrase is found in the text - who is speaking in that verse ?
The answer is in Daniel 10:2 who in Daniel 10:14 said....
14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
That angel, speaking in the text of Daniel 12, was not confused.
The falling star, called Wormwood, is the third trumpet, Revelation 8:10-11, that poisons a third part of the drinking waters.
Whether that takes place before the time, times, half time begins, or within is not for certain, imo. I am thinking within the time, times, half time. The time, times, half time is basically the second half of the seven years.
Or another possibility is that the third trumpet is before the time, times, half time begins, but is within the great tribulation period.
quietthinker
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This time chart Douggg is a disaster. It doesn't even have a semblance of the picture which emerges when I read the scriptures.
If you are following SDA's EGW, then no, my timeline is not in compliance with what she taught.
What did EGW teach what is the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth ?
quietthinker
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(this is taken from a post I made at another forum in an argument over what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be. Some parts of this post may help you when reading these particular scriptures)
The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, what it will be, is in Revelation 12:12. Revelation 11:14 is John alerting the reader that what the second woe will be, has been shown (in Revelation 9.13-21). And that it will quickly be shown what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be (in Revelation 12:12).
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Revelation 11:15-18 is the reaction to the sounding of the seventh angel.
Revelation 11:15 is the rejoice ye heavens. The great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 11:16-17 is the rejoice ye that dwell in them. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Revelation 11:18 is the summary of the mystery of God to be finished in the days of the voice of the seventh angel - Revelation 10:7
Revelation 12:14 the time, times, half time is the days of the voice of the seventh angel.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
The text highlighted in red is not a woe, but reward. The phrase woe to the inhabiters of the earth is not in Revelation 11:18.
ScottA
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Indeed, the angel was not confused but connected the foreshadowing of the seven days of creation with all of time accomplished within the life and time of Messiah. Which confused men of misunderstanding have turned into a false prophecy...the delusion upon many until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.
Where in the text is the angel of Daniel 10:14-12:13 referring to the seven days of creation ?
Scott, there needs to be something written in the text. Just saying the seven days of creation foreshadowed the life and time of the Messiah is inadequate. And also you are not being clear in what way was the seven days of creation reflected in the life and time of the Messiah.
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No Douggg. Its NOT literal 7 years.
And Daniel 9:27 is being fulfilled since the Cross.
quietthinker
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I think that whole line of eschatological exegesis is flawed.
It has missed the centrality of Jesus (Messiah) and it's purpose, thus stepping foot on a path that runs off into Mans wild imagination.
Just removing the last week (7 years) of the 70 year Prophecy and placing it elsewhere instead of seeing it as a continuum is totally illogical.
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The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is the same seven years in Ezekiel 39:9 that follows the latter days Gog/Magog event (Ezekiel 39).
At the end of those 7 years, in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon event. Read Ezekiel 39:17-20 and compare it with Revelation 19:17-18.
Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.
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Using an electrical switchboard to connect water only ends up with a short.
quietthinker
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Your paradigm has a flawed premise Douggg. Unless this is recognised or at the least questioned for the purpose of solution, it is like using an electrical switchboard to connect water, it only ends up with a short.
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