the three woes

[Douggg]

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, the last three trumpets of the seven trumpets are tied to the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth.
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The first two woes are revealed what they will be in Revelation 9.

fifth angel sounds his trumpet, first woe - the flesh tormenting locust lasting 5 months.

sixth angel sounds his trumpet, second woe - a third of mankind killed by huge armies of 200,000,000 as they march toward Armageddon.
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The third woe is revealed what it will be in Revelation 12:12-14. Which Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12 are the only two places in the bible where the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" appears.

seventh angel sounds his trumpet, third woe - Satan's wrath knowing his time is short - a time, times, half time.
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The three woes take place within the time/times/half time that Satan will have left when he and his angels are cast down to earth
from the second heaven, in Revelation 12:7-9.

Textually, in Revelation 9, the fifth angel sounds, then the sixth angel sounds, then in Revelation 11:15 the seventh angel sounds, revealing what the third woe will be in Revelation 12:12-14.

On the time line, the third woe begins, then the first woe takes place, then the second woe takes place, then the third woe ends when Jesus returns and Satan imprisoned. (see my chart below)


Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.

 

[Douggg]

It's not like that. These are not physical locusts, but false evangelists of the false church of the false Christ.

`The locust creatures will be released from the bottomless pit. They are not evangelists. The locust creatures will physically sting people.

Revelation 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

 

[ScottA]

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, the last three trumpets of the seven trumpets are tied to the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth.
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The first two woes are revealed what they will be in Revelation 9.

fifth angel sounds his trumpet, first woe - the flesh tormenting locust lasting 5 months.

sixth angel sounds his trumpet, second woe - a third of mankind killed by huge armies of 200,000,000 as they march toward Armageddon.
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The third woe is revealed what it will be in Revelation 12:12-14. Which Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12 are the only two places in the bible where the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" appears.

seventh angel sounds his trumpet, third woe - Satan's wrath knowing his time is short - a time, times, half time.
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The three woes take place within the time/times/half time that Satan will have left when he and his angels are cast down to earth
from the second heaven, in Revelation 12:7-9.

Textually, in Revelation 9, the fifth angel sounds, then the sixth angel sounds, then in Revelation 11:15 the seventh angel sounds, revealing what the third woe will be in Revelation 12:12-14.

On the time line, the third woe begins, then the first woe takes place, then the second woe takes place, then the third woe ends when Jesus returns and Satan imprisoned. (see my chart below)


Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.


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So it would appear through a historic, worldly lens or perspective.

However, the times are given according to "a time, times, and half a time" which, contrary to popular opinion, speaks rather of all of time. But I am not stating opinion.

Cutting to the chase, the "We are here" point in the prophecy, is just into the beginning of the third woe. This is the third day of Christ and His perfection. Which follows the first two woes first to Israel and then to the gentiles/church, and is the time of time no more and the finish of the mystery of God as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets: a time of both terrors and jubilee. Then comes the end.

 

[ScottA]

These are not physical locusts, but false evangelists of the false church of the false Christ. They will form the future religion of false Christianity

It's not "future."

 

[Douggg]

However, the times are given according to "a time, times, and half a time" which, contrary to popular opinion, speaks rather of all of time. But I am not stating opinion.

The phrase "time, times, half time" is found in three places in the bible.

Daniel 7:25
Daniel 12:7
Revelation 12:14

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 consists of two half's.

The times frames found in Revelation fit in either the first half or second half.

first half
1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation12:6

second half
3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11
42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14

On this chart are all of the end times timeframes given in the bible...

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

So, the last three trumpets of the seven trumpets are tied to the three woes to the inhabiters of the earth.
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The first two woes are revealed what they will be in Revelation 9.

fifth angel sounds his trumpet, first woe - the flesh tormenting locust lasting 5 months.

sixth angel sounds his trumpet, second woe - a third of mankind killed by huge armies of 200,000,000 as they march toward Armageddon.
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The third woe is revealed what it will be in Revelation 12:12-14. Which Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12 are the only two places in the bible where the phrase "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" appears.

seventh angel sounds his trumpet, third woe - Satan's wrath knowing his time is short - a time, times, half time.
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The three woes take place within the time/times/half time that Satan will have left when he and his angels are cast down to earth
from the second heaven, in Revelation 12:7-9.

Textually, in Revelation 9, the fifth angel sounds, then the sixth angel sounds, then in Revelation 11:15 the seventh angel sounds, revealing what the third woe will be in Revelation 12:12-14.

On the time line, the third woe begins, then the first woe takes place, then the second woe takes place, then the third woe ends when Jesus returns and Satan imprisoned. (see my chart below)


Third woe begins.................the first woe takes place ......................the second woe takes place.......... the third woe ends.
Third woe begins...............................................time/times/half time...................................................................the third woe ends.

Total nonsense. You have the third woe beginning before the first woe. LOL. This can't be taken seriously.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

As can be clearly seen here, the third woe occurs after the second woe is past. Not before the first and second woe as you falsely claim.

You correctly say that the seventh trumpet reveals what the third woe will be, but then you somehow skip to Revelation 12:12-14 instead of seeing the description of the seventh trumpet/third woe in Revelation 11:15-18. That is where the third woe is revealed, not Revelation 12:12-14. The seventh trumpet brings on the third woe and that results in God's wrath having come, the destruction of those who destroy the earth and the judgment of the dead.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

So, the reason that the third woe is considered to be a woe because of God's wrath and judgment against unbelievers occurring at that time.

 

[ScottA]

The phrase "time, times, half time" is found in three places in the bible.

Daniel 7:25
Daniel 12:7
Revelation 12:14

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 consists of two half's.

The times frames found in Revelation fit in either the first half or second half.

first half
1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation12:6

second half
3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11
42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14

On this chart are all of the end times timeframes given in the bible...


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Again...that is perhaps accurate--but only through a worldly lens, thus not correct.

The better understanding of "a time, times, and half a time" is stated in Genesis in the days of creation as a foreshadowing of all of time. Daniel then elaborates--but does so AFTER ALL LANGUAGE WAS CONFUSED by God at Babel. As such, it is confused and made into a riddle by numbers of weeks and kingdoms...of which only the Spirit can bring light to. To the contrary, to elaborate upon the riddle further is not better but worse, and going in the wrong direction.

To the house of the king: “Blow the ram’s horn in Gibeah, The trumpet in Ramah! Cry aloud at Beth Aven, ‘Look behind you, O Benjamin!’ (Hosea 5:8).​

 

[Douggg]

Again...that is perhaps accurate--but only through a worldly lens, thus not correct.

huh ? The time frames and bible references are given on the chart. What you mean by worldly lens ? The verses and references are straight out of the bible.

The better understanding of "a time, times, and half a time" is stated in Genesis in the days of creation as a foreshadowing of all of time.

What verses in Genesis refer to "a time, times, half time" ?

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Satan during the time of his wrath when cast down to earth will attempt to destroy the woman for a period of a time, times, half time.

 

[Galgal]

`The locust creatures will be released from the bottomless pit. They are not evangelists. The locust creatures will physically sting people.

Revelation 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Tails are false prophets:

The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. (Isaiah 9:15)

 

[Galgal]

It's not "future."

They have not yet merged into one. The awakening of the seals will begin with the question of the construction of the Third Temple, described in Ezekiel. The trumpets will begin when the question reaches the political level. The 5th trumpet, presumably, is the beginning of the construction of the Third Temple, 5 months seems to be the minimum period to build such a grandiose complex of buildings in the Judean Desert: 1488x1488 meters along the outer perimeter.

 

[Douggg]

Total nonsense. You have the third woe beginning before the first woe. LOL. This can't be taken seriously.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

As can be clearly seen here, the third woe occurs after the second woe is past. Not before the first and second woe as you falsely claim.

You are only focusing only on the beginning of the third woe - not the beginning AND the ending of the third woe.

The third woe will last a time, times, half time.

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And you are misunderstanding Revelation 11:14. It is not saying that the second woe has been fulfilled on the timeline - before the seventh angel sounds.

The verse is John alerting the readers that it has been revealed in the text what the second woe will be. And that it would quickly be revealed what the third woe will be in the text..

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[ScottA]

huh ? The time frames and bible references are given on the chart. What you mean by worldly lens ? The verses and references are straight out of the bible.

You are counting out matters of God according to the time limits of this world. The verses of the Bible are spirit.

What verses in Genesis refer to "a time, times, half time" ?

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Satan during the time of his wrath when cast down to earth will attempt to destroy the woman for a period of a time, times, half time.

I told you already: The creation story of seven days.

Revelation 12:14 is not about wings or eagles or even about some woman--it is about the betrothed of Christ from all of time. Where she is fed before the devil...but that is obviously not how you understood the passage. As for Satan, he was cast down from the beginning...and he is present throughout all the ages of this world--all of time.

But please, if this contradicts everything that has been believed for thousands of years--it should. But the time was always coming when the blinders would be taken off and all would be finished. This is that time. Unfortunately, like the Priests and Pharisees of Jesus time--they too did not see the signs and were unwilling to believe the actual truth.

 

[ScottA]

They have not yet merged into one. The awakening of the seals will begin with the question of the construction of the Third Temple, described in Ezekiel. The trumpets will begin when the question reaches the political level. The 5th trumpet, presumably, is the beginning of the construction of the Third Temple, 5 months seems to be the minimum period to build such a grandiose complex of buildings in the Judean Desert: 1488x1488 meters along the outer perimeter.

Oh, but you are only looking through the lens of this world and its terms.

But perhaps I can offer a different perspective: When did the Temple of spiritual stones of Christ, his body, begin to be built?

 

[Galgal]

Oh, but you are only looking through the lens of this world and its terms.

But perhaps I can offer a different perspective: When did the Temple of spiritual stones of Christ, his body, begin to be built?

For us it is important not when it began to be built, but when its construction will be finished. The Temple of the Body will be built by the end of the Millennial Kingdom. And now the next stage: to cleanse the Temple of the Body from the idol that took the place of God. For this, the material Temple described in Ezekiel in chapters 40-43 will be built.

 

[Douggg]

I told you already: The creation story of seven days.

Where in Genesis the creation story of seven days is a time, times, half time mentioned ?

 

[TribulationSigns]

`The locust creatures will be released from the bottomless pit. They are not evangelists. The locust creatures will physically sting people.

LOL! You have no clues.

When the bottomless pit is opened, and Satan is loosed these locusts go forth destroying with HIS SPIRIT.

Rev 9:2-3
(2) And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
(3) And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Do you even know what the smoke signifies in Scripture? Is it not the spirit? Do you realize that the smoke or his power is what chokes the spirit and blinds the eyes, symbolizing deception? Do you know what the sun and the air signifies? I do not think so if you insisit that the locusts are physical.

The sun and the air were darkened due to the smoke from the pit. This serves as an illustration of how the light and spirit of the Church are being obscured. In this context, the sun represents light, and the air symbolizes spirit.

Have you ever attended a campfire? If so, you may remember how the smoke affected you—it can irritate and blind your eyes and leave you feeling choked. This is similar to the effect of sin within the Church!! The sins of the Church have reached heaven, and God remembers her iniquities (Revelation 18:5).

The smoke symbolizes the power of Satan, leading the Church into desolation. It is a judgment sent by God and a warning to the Saints regarding the impending judgment. Because of the locusts that come from this smoke, the great city of God will cease to exist. Pay careful attention to what Revelation 18 says about smoke.

Rev 18:18-19
(18) And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
(19) And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

This "smoke" of her burning illustrates the church falling under the power of Satan as a judgment from God due to its iniquities. No one will be made (spiritually) rich anymore because of the locusts emerging from the smoke.

Yet you still think the locusts are physical?! Again, you got no clues. Do you know what is smoke locusts?

Rev 9:3-4
(3) And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
(4) And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Physical locusts will not hurt men. So exactly what locusts are this?
Rev 9:7-10
(7) And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle, and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
(8) And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
(9) And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
(10) And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

God is comparing locusts to men, specifically the false prophets and false christs who come with the spirit of the Antichrist (symbolized by smoke) to deceive those who have not yet been sealed by God as part of His judgment. They wear crowns that resemble gold because Satan grants them power. Their hair, like that of women, signifies that through their false doctrine, they are submissive to Satan. The sound of chariots and many horses running into battle represents the multitude of false prophets and christs throughout the world, attacking the Church. It is important to note that God is not referring to physical locusts in this context; He is speaking about false prophets and christs!

 

[ScottA]

For us it is important not when it began to be built, but when its construction will be finished. The Temple of the Body will be built by the end of the Millennial Kingdom. And now the next stage: to cleanse the Temple of the Body from the idol that took the place of God. For this, the material Temple described in Ezekiel in chapters 40-43 will be built.

Wrong answer.

The spiritual temple stones began to be laid at Pentecost...upon Israel's foundation in blood. The idol is the flesh.

 

[Stash]

Pastor Arnold Murray says

The first one is the warning the antichrist is coming and all the false prophets
They are laying the groundwork for the antichrist to show up

The second one is when the antichrist shows up and performs god like abilities

The third woe
Are those that worship the antichrist instead of Jesus they are going to get wacked

Seems simple enough

 

[ScottA]

Where in Genesis the creation story of seven days is a time, times, half time mentioned ?

"How" is "a time, times, and half a time" mentioned in the creation story (?), would be the more appropriate question.

The answer is, it is not mentioned literarily, but spiritually...as a foreshadowing revelation of all of time, then elaborated by Daniel under confusion. And now I am repeating.​

Do you not know that the words themselves are as much as "foolishness" without the Spirit (1 Corinthians 1:21)?

 

[Galgal]

Wrong answer.

The spiritual temple stones began to be laid at Pentecost...upon Israel's foundation in blood. The idol is the flesh.

Not on Pentecost, but on the 15th day of the 7th month of Tishrei, in the fall. This was probably in the year 4 BCE. On this day Jesus was circumcised. On this day the name of the baby was first proclaimed before the people: Jesus. This became the birthday of the community of believers in the name of Jesus Christ. This was the first day of the feast of Sukkot, that is, tabernacles.