The term being born again vs. the term resurrection.

[Stewardofthemystery]

The second, of course.

And that is what I thought you would say because you Amils believe being born again of the Holy Spirit IS partaking in the first bodily resurrection.

That IS the point I was making in the OP.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And that is what I thought you would say because you Amils believe being born again of the Holy Spirit IS partaking in the first bodily resurrection.

That IS the point I was making in the OP.

Don't word it in such a misleading way. I think you do that on purpose because you're evil and you have no other way to refute amil except to misrepresent it. How else to explain you misrepresenting our view so many times?

We do NOT equate being born again with being bodily resurrected. Why can't you get that through your head? We do NOT deny the future bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ. We believe being born again of the Holy Spirit is partaking in CHRIST's resurrection, which scripture says was the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20). Don't be deceptive and try to make it as if we are full preterists who say the resurrection of the dead has already occurred, which we do NOT claim. Only Jesus Christ has been bodily resurrected so far and the dead in Christ will be bodily resurrected at His FUTURE second coming.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

We do NOT equate being born again with being bodily resurrected.

That is what you are doing by calling being born again the first resurrection as is mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6

Look up the word born and the word resurrection, look up the word spirit and the word body, they are not the same.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That is what you are doing by calling being born again the first resurrection as is mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6

Look up the word born and the word resurrection, look up the word spirit and the word body, they are not the same.

Don't tell me what I'm doing. Stop being so ignorant. I will tell you what I believe and don't need you to tell me what I believe. I do NOT equate being born again with being bodily resurrected. Period! I equate being born again with spiritually having part in Christ's bodily resurrection, not my own bodily resurrection or the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ. Stop lying about what i believe! Do you have no conscience?

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I do NOT equate being born again with being bodily resurrected.

But yet you consider the first resurrection as mentioned and defined in Rev. 20: 5-6 to be those who are born again, not bodily resurrected.

Tell me, did Jesus have to be born again to be considered a part of the first resurrection? Or did He have to physically die first to be the first to be resurrected of the first resurrection?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But yet you consider the first resurrection as mentioned and defined in Rev. 20: 5-6 to be those who are born again, not bodily resurrected.

I consider those who have had part in the first resurrection to be those who have spiritually had part in Jesus Christ's bodily resurrection, which is the first resurrection from the dead (1 Cor 15:20, Acts 26:23), by way of being born again. Is there anything hard to understand about that, regardless of whether you agree or not? If you would just stop misrepresenting my view, I could be satisfied with that and we could just agree to disagree, but you keep doing it and I will not tolerate that.

Tell me, did Jesus have to be born again to be considered a part of the first resurrection?

No, of course not. Only sinners need to be born again. Of course. The fact that you asked me this question shows that you still do not have any understanding of what I believe. So, just do me a favor and stop trying to declare what I believe since you have no idea.

Or did He have to physically die first to be the first to be resurrected of the first resurrection?

Yes, of course He had to physically die first in order to be the first to be physically resurrected from the dead. Would be pretty hard to physically resurrect someone from the dead if they are not even physically dead.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I consider those who have had part in the first resurrection to be those who have spiritually had part in Jesus Christ's bodily resurrection,

I know, it’s sad you cannot tell the difference between the saints being born again spiritually to being bodily resurrected at the last day.

I’ll leave to your confusion.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I know, it’s sad you cannot tell the difference between the saints being born again spiritually to being bodily resurrected at the last day.

I’ll leave to your confusion.

Another lie from you. Don't blame me for your inability to understand what others believe. Everyone here except you knows that I know the difference between being born again spiritually, which is a current reality, and being bodily resurrected at the last day which happens in the future. You resort to lies in order to slander me because you have nothing else to offer. You are a wicked liar.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Another lie from you.

This comment of yours below exposes your confusion…

Spiritual Israelite said:
So, His resurrection was the first resurrection from the dead. Hello? How many first resurrections are there? (End quote)

You/Amils believe Jesus alone being raised from the dead is the entire first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6.

And thus because of this you believe the first resurrection is past.

If the shoe fits….

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[Zao is life]

Many are trying to conflate the term “being born again” to the term “the first resurrection.” Are these words/terms the same, and what is the difference? If you search the word resurrection you will find the word is mainly used concerning the raising up of a dead body. I’ll post where it is used below….

KJV Translation Count — Total: 42x
The KJV translates Strong's G386 in the following manner: resurrection (39x), rising again (1x), that should rise (1x), raised to life again (with G1537) (1x).

Now Paul used the term to be raised up in the likeness of Jesus’ resurrection when we are born again, but notice Paul used the word likeness, meaning Paul was comparing it to Jesus’ bodily resurrection.

When we are born again we are not physically resurrected, so what is made new, or renewed when we are born again of the Holy Spirit?

It is our heart/mind/spirit that is renewed when we are symbolically or spiritually made a new man in Christ.

But this in no way replaces the bodily resurrection at the last day. Man is body, soul, and spirit. When we are born again it is our spirit, or our nature that changes, or is renewed, not our body or soul.

This nature/spirit that we are firstborn under is the sin nature of Adam that caused us to be spiritually dead in our sins.

But when we are born again of the Holy Spirit we are given the heart/mind/spirit of Christ. But this in no way replaces the future resurrection of the body at the last day.

Peace and God bless

Excellent post.

The resurrection of the body is an integral part of the gospel.

WORDS USED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IN REFERENCE TO BODILY RESURRECTION

Noun: ἀνάστασις anástasis (“The Resurrection”)
A standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):--raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

Noun: ἔγερσις égersis
a resurgence (from death):--resurrection.
Used only once in the New Testament in reference to the resurrection of Christ (Matthew 27:53).

Verb: ἐγείρω egeírō
To waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively, from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence):--awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-)rise (again, up), stand, take up.

Verb: ἀνίστημι anístēmi
To stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):--arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).

John 6:39-40, 44:
"And this is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise [anistemi] it up again at the last day.

And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes on Him should have everlasting life. And I will raise [anistemi] him up at the last day.

No one can come to Me unless the Father who has sent Me draw him, and I will raise [anistemi] him up at the last day."

anástasis: THE Resurrection

Used in all these verses:-

|| Matthew 22:23, 28 & 30-31; Mark 12:18 & 23; Luke 2:34; Luke 14:14; Luke 20:27, 33, 35-36; John 5:29; John 11:24-25; Acts 1:22; Acts 2:31; Acts 4:2; Acts 4:33; Acts 17:18, 32; Acts 23:6, 8; Acts 24:15, 21; Acts 26:23; Romans 1:4; Romans 6:5; 1 Corinthians 15:12-13, 21, 42; Philippians 3:10; II Timothy 2:18; Hebrews 6:2; Hebrews 11:35; I Peter 1:3; I Peter 3:21; Revelation 20:5-6. ||

égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō:-

Note: The words égersis; anístēmi; and egeírō are not always used in reference to the resurrection: Sometimes they are used for rising up (as in "get up!"), or being raised up as a leader, or rising from sleep (in a normal sense), but wherever they are speaking about rising from death, they are speaking about the resurrection of the body from the dead.

Used in all these verses:-

|| Matthew 9:25; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 11:5; Matthew 14:2; Matthew 17:9; Matthew 16:21; Matthew 17:23; Matthew 20:19; Matthew 26:32; Matthew 27:52-53 & 63-64; Matthew 28:6-7; Mark 6:14 & 16; Mark 12:26; Mark 14:28; Mark 16:6 & 14; Luke 7:14; Luke 7:22; Luke 8:54; Luke 9:7 & 22; Luke 14:13-14; Luke 20:37; Luke 24:6; Luke 24:34; John 2:19-21; John 5:21; John 5:28-29; John 6:39, 40 & 44; John 11:23-35; John 12:1, 9 & 17; John 21:14; Acts 1:22; Acts 2:24, 31-32; Acts 3:15 & 26; Acts 4:1-2, 10 & 33; Acts 5:30; Acts 10:40; Acts 13:30 & 33-37; Acts 17:18 & 31-32; Acts 23:6-8; Acts 24:15 & 21; Acts 26:8; Romans 1:4; Romans 4:23-25; Romans 6:4-5; Romans 6:9; Romans 7:4; Romans 8:11; Romans 8:34; Romans 10:9; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 1 Corinthians 15:4, 12-23, 35-36, 42-45, 50-57; 2 Corinthians 1:9; 2 Corinthians 4:14; 2 Corinthians 5:15; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:20; Ephesians 2:5-6; Ephesians 5:14; Philippians 3:10-11; Colossians 2:12-13; Colossians 3:1 (Compare with Romans 6:5); 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16; 2 Timothy 2:8 & 18; Hebrews 6:1-2; Hebrews 11:35; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 1 Peter 1:21; 1 Peter 3:18 & 21; Revelation 20:5-6. ||

Not one New Testament verse employing any of the above listed words associated with The Resurrection is not talking about the resurrection of the body. Not one.

John 11:23-26:
"Jesus said to her, Your brother shall anístēmi (rise again). Martha said to Him, I know that he shall anístēmi in the anástasis (The Resurrection) at the last day.

Jesus said unto her, I am The Anástasis (The Resurrection), AND (I am) the (eternal) life [zOE]:

he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live (zao i.e zAO as different to zOE: Zao means to be alive in the body - in every New Testament verse zao is mentioned).

.. And whosoever lives (zAO): to be alive in the body and believes in me dying shall not die - to the age. Do you believe this?" (John 11:23-26).

Only God has life (zoe) in Himself. Eternal life (zOE) is in Christ. God created Adam to live on the created earth in a created body. - and the context of what Jesus said above is THE death of the body (the death of Lazarus) and the resurrection of the body from the dead, and eternal life (zOE) in Christ. Verse 26 of John 11 cannot be interpreted in the context of a different passage, as though it's talking about the fact that we must be born of the Spirit in order to see the Kingdom of God. Verse 26 is talking about the experience of those who have already been resurrected from the dead and are once again zao (alive in their bodies).

Not one New Testament verse employing the word zao (zAO) is not referring either to (a) the living God; or (b) humans as being alive in the created human body. Not one.

And the word zōopoiéō (quickening) always refers to the quickening of the dead body. Not to the 'dead' human spirit. The human spirit is BORN (gennao) of the Spirit of God. It is not "quickened" (made alive) by the Spirit.

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

In the New Testament being born of God places us in Christ, in whom is eternal life, causing our dead bodies to be quickened and resulting in the resurrection of the body and the regeneration of all things when Christ returns. This is what Jesus was saying to Martha in John 11:23-26 and this is the (only) Christian and BIBLICAL message about eternal life in Christ through His blood shed for sin, the death of His body, the quickening of His dead body by the Spirit of God, the resurrection of His body, and our being born (gennao) of His Spirit.

Amillennilaism and all its associated theology (some of which is taught by Premillennialists) spiritualizes the phyiscal, and in so doing corrupts the gospel.

The importance of adhering to the meaning of words in the Bible in respect of to whom or to what the scripture is applying those words to can never be emphasized enough, because:

IT'S NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SAY IT IS
BUT IT'S ALWAYS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS​

 

[Zao is life]

Correct: When we die our flesh bodies return to dust where they came from.

Correct: We can NEVER die because we are spirit and soul which leaves the flesh body upon death and goes immediately to the LORD Jesus. Remember when the Lord, while on the Cross, said: "FATHER into your hands I commit My Spirit"

Correct: Our spirits have been Born-Again = RAISED in New Life in CHRIST who is Eternal LIFE

Correct: At His Second Coming JESUS brings with Him all the spirits of the saints who died in Him = 1 Thess 4:13-18
Whereby HE then Opens the Graves of only those who are in Him = 1 Thess 4:13-18 and 1 Cor chapter 15 and 1 John 3:1-3
It is at this Moment where we are Transformed into Glorified Bodies just as CHRIST was the First Fruits unto God

KEY verse = 1 John 3:1-3
You will SEE that we are "sons of God" now/Today and then the New Body when HE Comes for us = Second Coming

Your post would be correct in everything had you not used the word "raised" in association with the human spirit. The New Testament never uses the word "raised" in association with the human spirit. There was no dead human spirit to raise when any human being was born anew of the Spirit. Only the body is raised (from the dead).

The word used for born anew is only born (gennao), not raised.

Give us the verses in the New Testament telling us that our spirits have been "raised" in new life in Christ.

See my post #30 and find the verse speaking about being raised that's associating being "raised" with the human spirit, instead of only with the dead human body. You won't find it. Because it's not a Biblical concept.

 

[Ritajanice]

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◄ Colossians 3 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Put On the New Self (Ephesians 4:17–32) 1Therefore, since you have been raised with Christ, strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is youra life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. 5Put to death, therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience.b 7When you lived among them, you also used to walk in these ways. 8But now you must put aside all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to one another, since you have taken off the old self with its practices,10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all. 12Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with hearts of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 13Bear with one another and forgive any complaint you may have against someone else. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which is the bond of perfect unity. 15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, for to this you were called as members of one body. And be thankful. 16Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17And whatever you do, in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. Short commentary. How are we risen with Christ? We have been raised together with Christ. Because of our union with Him, what happened to Him happened to us, not in the physical sense, but in the spiritual sense. (It will happen in the physical sense too, but later, when Christ returns.) But now the very same power which raised Jesus is working in us who believe.

 

[David in NJ]

Your post would be correct in everything had you not used the word "raised" in association with the human spirit. The New Testament never uses the word "raised" in association with the human spirit. There was no dead human spirit to raise when any human being was born anew of the Spirit. Only the body is raised (from the dead).

The word used for born anew is only born (gennao), not raised.

Give us the verses in the New Testament telling us that our spirits have been "raised" in new life in Christ.

See my post #30 and find the verse speaking about being raised that's associating being "raised" with the human spirit, instead of only with the dead human body. You won't find it. Because it's not a Biblical concept.

Because you are respectful i will respond to your post here this includes @Ritajanice

This is my last response on this Thread.

Your post would be correct in everything had you not used the word "raised" in association with the human spirit. The New Testament never uses the word "raised" in association with the human spirit.

#1 - Do not limit yourself to just one verse and/or passage concerning Truth.

#2 - TRUTH says that being Born-Again means we were 'Raised' from spiritual death = Eph 2:1-10

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
and raised us up together,
and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

SHALOM to those whose desire is to be Sanctified in TRUTH = "Thy Word is TRUTH"

 

[Zao is life]

@Stewardofthemystery

I wasn't surprised. As you can see so clearly in this thread, if anyone asks those who hold onto false doctrine to give the verses in the New Testament talking about the human spirit being "raised" (apparently from the dead) with Christ after they used the word "raised" in reference to the human spirit, they respond once again only with their own misapplication of the word "quickening" and "raised" in Ephesians 2:4-6,

and they will do this despite the fact that all other New Testament verses (which they very conveniently will never quote when making this false assertion) mentioning being quickened and raised with Christ, are talking about the quickening of Christ's dead body and the resurrection of Christ's dead body

(i) The word zoopoieo (quickening, being made alive) is being applied to the mortal body in all the other verses using the word in the New Testament.

(ii) The words egeiro, synegeiro and anastasis are always referring to the resurrection of the body in the New Testament.

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins,

(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō)

and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

Christ's dead body was quickened and raised. His Spirit did not die:

"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead -- for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]." (1 Corinthians 15:20-22).

So though Romans 8:10-11 applies clearly and unambiguously to the dead body what he applies to the human spirit, and Colossians 2:12-13 tells Christians that we have been "buried with him in baptism, wherein also you are all risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him (syzōopoiéō), having forgiven you all trespasses."

(which again refers to the quickening and resurrection of the body - Christ's dead body),

and though Colossians 3:3 says, "For ye are dead, and your life [zōḗ] is hid with Christ in God.",

@David in NJ (conveniently, of course) ignored all these other scriptures, and, failing to fulfill the request that he provide a verse or verses in New Testament scripture referring to the "raising" of the human spirit, he merely creates a diversion to his own theology again by misapplying a passage that is talking about the quickening and raising of the human body, to the human spirit - still without giving/quoting any New Testament verses talking about the human spirit being raised.

And this what all who hold to this particular false theology and false doctrine always do, showing the world that their theology is false (because although there are many, many verses talking about the human body being raised, and a few verses talking about the quickening of the dead human body, there are none talking about the human spirit being "raised", and the only passage those who hold onto false theology offer, is one they misapply, almost deliberately and knowingly, to the human spirit).

The fact that they can produce no verses in the New Testament which talk about the human spirit being "raised" (apparently from the dead), shows how bankrupt of truth their theology is.

However, the saints who remain loyal and faithful to the Word of God understand that the New Testament talks about the fact that we must be born of the Spirit - because in the New Testament,

BEING BORN ANEW OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD
PLACES AN INDIVIDUAL IN CHRIST

CAUSING THE INDIVIDUAL'S DEAD | DYING BODY
TO BE QUICKENED

WHICH WILL PRODUCE

THE RESURRECTION OF THE BODY FROM DEATH
(WITH CHRIST'S RESURRECTION), WHEN HE RETURNS,

AND THE REGENERATION OF ALL THINGS.

THIS IS EVERLASTING LIFE
AND THIS IS THE NEW TESTAMENT'S TEACHING

ALL THANKS TO CHRIST TAKING ON A HUMAN BODY,
AND TAKING OUR SIN UPON HIMSELF,
BEARING THE SIN IN HIS OWN BODY ON THE CROSS
AND DYING, AND RISING AGAIN FROM THE DEAD,
HAVING BEEN QUICKENED BY THE SPIRIT​

* gennáō: Conceived, and born.

* zao | anazao: In each and every verse the word is used, it's referring either the living God, or to human beings who are alive in the body.

* zoe: Eternal life which is IN CHRIST.

* Psychḗ: In the New Testament the word psychḗ is used interchangeably in reference to the life, and the mind, and the soul. The mind/thoughts/emotions/soul = the life that exists with the body (soma) of each person.

* apothnesko / nekros: Death of the body / the dead.

* zōopoiéō (quicken, to make alive): In each and every verse it's mentioned, it's talking about the quickening of the body (not of a 'dead' human spirit that had never been born).

* anístēmi; egeírō; égersis and anastasis (the resurrection of the body): In each and every verse where they are speaking about rising from death, they are speaking about the resurrection of the body from the dead (never of a "spiritual resurrection").

* athanasia | aphtharsia: Immortality | incorruptibility - which the New Testament tells us is something only Christ POSSESSES. The created humans are given eternal life, which is in Christ, and according to the New Testament do not possess the immortality that they will experience following their own resurrection of the dead the way Christ possesses immortality (any more than Adam possessed immortality the way Christ, the Son of God, born of a virgin, died for sin and rose again from the dead does).

Info @David in NJ @Ritajanice

PS; I won't be responding to any more of your posts in this thread.

 

[Scott Downey]

Your post would be correct in everything had you not used the word "raised" in association with the human spirit. The New Testament never uses the word "raised" in association with the human spirit. There was no dead human spirit to raise when any human being was born anew of the Spirit. Only the body is raised (from the dead).

The word used for born anew is only born (gennao), not raised.

Give us the verses in the New Testament telling us that our spirits have been "raised" in new life in Christ.

See my post #30 and find the verse speaking about being raised that's associating being "raised" with the human spirit, instead of only with the dead human body. You won't find it. Because it's not a Biblical concept.

Yes, we are a NEW creation in Christ, the old is gone, the new is here. The old is not resurrected when born again, we are become new creations, with a new spirit God creates in us.
What is under our control is that we can be renewed in the spirit of our minds, by the new man God created inside us, which is the new spirit alive to God.
The old man is dead and corrupt and full of deceitful lusts and is never saved or preserved. But God does preserve us spiritually by that new spirit He created inside of us, and that is what God saves. That spirit will get a new glorified body in the age of the resurrection.
And it is that spirit inside us that is joined to the Lord as one spirit with Him.
Pretty awesome, we are part of Him, we are all of one family.

Luke 20
34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

The New Man​

17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as [f]the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

 

[rwb]

Being 'quickened' when we are born again, is NOT referring to our bodily resurrection that shall be in the hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds, and time given this age whereby mankind might be 'quickened' spiritually, i.e. born again shall be no longer. Resurrection is to return to PHYSICAL life, and 'quickened' is of mankind SPIRITUALLY dead coming alive spiritually, through Christ's Spirit together with Christ to have ALL our trespasses forgiven. This spiritual awakening is not being resurrected physically, it is being "born again" through the Spirit of Christ in us!

Like the prodigal son, all of mankind before being quickened by the Spirit of Christ (born again) are dead in trespasses and sins, unable to spiritually discern the difference between good and evil. Like the prodigal we shall only be alive again (quickened) when we found to have part in the life (resurrection) of Christ, Who is the "first resurrection" of the physically dead to NEVER die again.

Colossians 2:13-15 (KJV) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Luke 15:24 (KJV) For this my son was dead, [spiritually] and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

 

[David in NJ]

@Stewardofthemystery

I wasn't surprised. As you can see so clearly in this thread, if anyone asks those who hold onto false doctrine to give the verses in the New Testament talking about the human spirit being "raised" (apparently from the dead) with Christ after they used the word "raised" in reference to the human spirit, they respond once again only with their own misapplication of the word "quickening" and "raised" in Ephesians 2:4-6,

and they will do this despite the fact that all other New Testament verses (which they very conveniently will never quote when making this false assertion) mentioning being quickened and raised with Christ, are talking about the quickening of Christ's dead body and the resurrection of Christ's dead body

READ Ephesians again, as it is not speaking of the future resurrection at His Second Coming.

Ephesians 2:1-10 is PRESENT TENSE LITERAL
AND
since it is present tense literal it can ONLY be speaking of the spirit of man that has been raised UP in Christ


And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.