The Superiority of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral to Sola Scriptura

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Berserk

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Christian apologetics is self-defeating when it uses strawmen and simple-minded stereotypes to critique conflicting perspectives. For this reason, I have defended Catholic interpretations of Scripture and Tradition against simple-minded Evangelical mischaracterizations. Effective apologetics must take as its starting point a quest to identify the most articulate and compelling formulation of the views being opposed. Thus, great harm has been done to the cause of Christ because Fundamentalists dismiss evolutionary theory on the basis of biased and ill-informed Fundamentalist Creationist claims rather than on the basis of a serious engagement with the most qualified secular biologists (e. g. the Catholic evolutionist, Dr. Kenneth Miller, whose videos flood the internet) who are widely regarded as the best advocates for evolutionary theory. The twofold result is (1) a relegation of Fundamentalist views to a myopic island ideological Ghetto that outside scholarship views with amused pity and (2) a mass exodus of curious, honest, and intelligent college youth from the church, once they are finally allowed to breathe the fresh air of honest and open inquiry.

A useful starting point to address this theological catastrophe is a discussion of the superiority of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral (Scripture, Tradition, Experience, Reason) to Sola Scriptura as a way to "ste[e]r" us through the perils of false teaching. Please listen to this lecture on the Wesleyan Quadrilateral as a way of focusing a productive discussion of relevant issues:


I was raised in a Canadian Pentecostal church. As a young man, I witnessed to the Gospel in the streets and door-to-door for Youth with a Mission. I now consider myself an Evangelical Charismatic Christian. As such, I was hired to teach theology in a Catholic university for 12 years and was then recruited as a United Methodist pastor after I led a 6 hour workshop on prayer for United Methodist lay leaders. I pastored a conservative church in a liberal UMC conference and now celebrate the UMC Church's recent special global conference that rejected the liberal push to reverse its stance of opposing gay ordination and gay marriage. The inevitable schism that awaits us next year saddens me because it hurts the cause of Christ for the world to witness such acrimonious infighting.
 

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...simple-minded Evangelical
...Fundamentals biased and ill-informed

... superiority of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral

Infighting saddens you?

I highly doubt anyone you begin your dialogue with bashing, will be considering your invitation.

Glory to God,
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shnarkle

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great harm has been done to the cause of Christ because Fundamentalists dismiss evolutionary theory on the basis of biased and ill-informed Fundamentalist Creationist claims rather than on the basis of a serious engagement with the most qualified secular biologists (e. g. the Catholic evolutionist, Dr. Kenneth Miller, whose videos flood the internet) who are widely regarded as the best advocates for evolutionary theory.

While there is no doubt that most Fundamentalists have little to no familiarity with the theory, to simply present a Christian who does isn't the only solution. There is a growing number of secular scientists, mathematicians, biologists, etc., many of them avowed atheists who are seeing that theory is woefully insufficient for its claims. They don't stop there either. They're all beginning to speak out and demand that it be abandoned. These are people who understand the theory better than anyone, and fully appreciate what an impressive and beautiful theory it truly is.

The twofold result is (1) a relegation of Fundamentalist views to a myopic island ideological Ghetto that outside scholarship views with amused pity and (2) a mass exodus of curious, honest, and intelligent college youth from the church, once they are finally allowed to breathe the fresh air of honest and open inquiry.

#1 is a blatant problem with the church, but #2 hasn't quite yet come around to looking at some of the more glaring problems with the theory. The most notable reason being the problem of #1 infesting the halls of science.

The inevitable schism that awaits us next year saddens me because it hurts the cause of Christ for the world to witness such acrimonious infighting.

So what do you conclude is the solution? Do you think the church should welcome openly gay couples into the church, or should they be forced to stop living together as if they were living in an adulterous affair? Some churches take that stance, but I'm not sure the Methodist church is all that strict about forbidding adultery anymore.
 

Enoch111

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I have defended Catholic interpretations of Scripture and Tradition against simple-minded Evangelical mischaracterizations.
Well good for you. But the truth is that believing that the Bible -- the Word of God -- has divine authority, and therefore trumps all other authorities is what was taught by Christ Himself. What you are promoting is "enticing words of men's wisdom". So please keep this passage in mind:

1 CORINTHIANS 1 & 2
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe...
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence...
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God....
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.