The Son of Man returns with and for his people

[CadyandZoe]

Those faithful and obedient to God and His Son inside and outside of the 12 tribes were and are the covenant people of God.

No others.

You are talking about a different covenant than I. Don't conflate the New Covenant with God's covenant with Jacob.

 

[covenantee]

You are talking about a different covenant than I. Don't conflate the New Covenant with God's covenant with Jacob.

God's covenant conditions of faith and obedience have never changed.

Thousands of slain Israelites are the testimony.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You don't consider children to be people?

What do you consider them to be?

Wow. I already explained the background to the Biblical use of the term "people" Did you not understand? Are you reading the passage of scripture I give to you?

Look at the following passage.

Deuteronomy 7:1-6

When the Lord your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, and when the Lord your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you. But thus you shall do to them: you shall tear down their altars, and smash their sacred pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.​

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Did you catch that? Who are NOT the people of God? Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites,

The Lord speaks to the 12 tribes assembled at Mt. Sinai to declare, "Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."

God has chosen the 12 Tribes from among all the other peoples on the earth. The Hittites are not his people; the Girgashites are not his people; The Amorites are not his people. And so on. There are NO Gentiles that are his "people."

Are we his children? Yes. Are we people? Yes. But that is not what the Lord means when he says, "You are my people." In order to understand the Lord, we need to bear in mind the covenant he made at Mt. Sinai. He promised to be "god" to them. What does that mean?

Consider the Blessings and the Cursings as recorded in Deuteronomy 11.

Deuteronomy 11:26-28

See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse: the blessing, if you listen to the commandments of the Lord your God, which I am commanding you today; and the curse, if you do not listen to the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside from the way which I am commanding you today, by following other gods which you have not known.​

As far as I know, The Lord made no such agreement with any other nation. He didn't set blessing and curses before US citizens, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, Italians, Spanish, or any other nation on earth. That agreement was between God, the people who were present there, and future generations after them. Deuteronomy 29.

 

[covenantee]

Wow. I already explained the background to the Biblical use of the term "people" Did you not understand? Are you reading the passage of scripture I give to you?

Look at the following passage.

Deuteronomy 7:1-6

When the Lord your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, and when the Lord your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you. But thus you shall do to them: you shall tear down their altars, and smash their sacred pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire. For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.​

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Did you catch that? Who are NOT the people of God? Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites,

The Lord speaks to the 12 tribes assembled at Mt. Sinai to declare, "Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."

God has chosen the 12 Tribes from among all the other peoples on the earth. The Hittites are not his people; the Girgashites are not his people; The Amorites are not his people. And so on. There are NO Gentiles that are his "people."

Are we his children? Yes. Are we people? Yes. But that is not what the Lord means when he says, "You are my people." In order to understand the Lord, we need to bear in mind the covenant he made at Mt. Sinai. He promised to be "god" to them. What does that mean?

Consider the Blessings and the Cursings as recorded in Deuteronomy 11.

Deuteronomy 11:26-28

See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse: the blessing, if you listen to the commandments of the Lord your God, which I am commanding you today; and the curse, if you do not listen to the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside from the way which I am commanding you today, by following other gods which you have not known.​

As far as I know, The Lord made no such agreement with any other nation. He didn't set blessing and curses before US citizens, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, Italians, Spanish, or any other nation on earth. That agreement was between God, the people who were present there, and future generations after them. Deuteronomy 29.

Were the Israelites that God slew, "His people"?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Were the Israelites that God slew, "His people"?

Yes. What's your point?

 

[covenantee]

Yes. What's your point?

If they were "His people", why did He slay them?

 

[Keraz]

at the schism of Shechem, the 10 northern tribes seceded from Israel

This comment shows your error and confusion.
The 10 Northern tribes ARE the House of Israel, they seceded from the House of Judah and it is still the way it is today.

Jesus came to save the House of Israel, Matthew 15:25, if He meant the House of Judah, then He failed His mission. But the real Israelites, still in exile; HAVE accepted the Gospel, they are all the Overcomers for God, as we see in each of the seven Churchs of Revelation.

The present Jewish State of Israel, is a Satanic deception, which has successfully fooled many into thinking they are the chosen people.
Many Prophesies tell of their virtual demise in the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Isaiah 6:11-13, +

 

[CadyandZoe]

If they were "His people", why did He slay them?

What do you mean? How does punishment change their status?

 

[CadyandZoe]

This comment shows your error and confusion.
The 10 Northern tribes ARE the House of Israel, they seceded from the House of Judah and it is still the way it is today.

Jesus came to save the House of Israel, Matthew 15:25, if He meant the House of Judah, then He failed His mission. But the real Israelites, still in exile; HAVE accepted the Gospel, they are all the Overcomers for God, as we see in each of the seven Churchs of Revelation.

The present Jewish State of Israel, is a Satanic deception, which has successfully fooled many into thinking they are the chosen people.
Many Prophesies tell of their virtual demise in the forthcoming Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Isaiah 6:11-13, +

I don't see it that way.

 

[covenantee]

What do you mean? How does punishment change their status?

Did God slay them for no reason?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Did God slay them for no reason?

I said punishment. What am I missing?

 

[covenantee]

I said punishment. What am I missing?

What had they done that necessitated punishment?

 

[CadyandZoe]

What had they done that necessitated punishment?

Where is this leading? I don't know how to answer your question. Why else is someone punished?

 

[Truth7t7]

Where is this leading? I don't know how to answer your question. Why else is someone punished?

You know exactly where it's leading, God doesn't kill his people, and your backed in a corner knowing your false claims are being exposed

 

[covenantee]

Where is this leading? I don't know how to answer your question. Why else is someone punished?

What do you not understand about the question?

 

[CadyandZoe]

You know exactly where it's leading, God doesn't kill his people, and your backed in a corner knowing your false claims are being exposed

No. I'm not backed into a corner. Apparently neither of you know what it means to be "a people." I can explain it to you if you like.

 

[CadyandZoe]

What do you not understand about the question?

You are asking a question as if you are seeking information, while at the same time, everyone already knows the answer. For this reason, your question is structured as a leading question. So I am asking where you are leading.

You asked, "why were they punished?" What did you expect me to say? "These folks were innocent and God was simply being arbitrary?" The obvious answer is "they did something wrong."

Okay, but where are you headed with this line of questioning? I think I know, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

I have a good answer but I'm not sure your ears are open. Are they?

Or are you trolling for a "gotcha" moment?

 

[Keraz]

I don't see it that way.

But the fact of the continued separation of Judah and the 10 tribes of Israel, is the truth. Proved by Ezekiel 37:15-28; remaining unfulfilled.

Avoidance of the clear and undeniable statement of Jesus in Matthew 21:43, of how Judah has had the Kingdom taken away from them, is a serious mistake and leads to the false teaching of a general Jewish redemption.

 

[covenantee]

The obvious answer is "they did something wrong."

Yes indeed. Unfaithfulness and disobedience, which were transgressions of God's Covenant, were indeed "something wrong".

God's punishment for those transgressions was death. Being "His people" did not spare them.

You've claimed that God's punishment was irrelevant.

That is manifestly false.

 

[CadyandZoe]

But the fact of the continued separation of Judah and the 10 tribes of Israel, is the truth. Proved by Ezekiel 37:15-28; remaining unfulfilled.

Avoidance of the clear and undeniable statement of Jesus in Matthew 21:43, of how Judah has had the Kingdom taken away from them, is a serious mistake and leads to the false teaching of a general Jewish redemption.

The Kingdom wasn't taken away from Israel, it wasn't taken away from the Ten Tribes. It was taken away from the scribes and Pharisees. It will be given to the Apostles. Luke 22:30