The social gospel?

[GodsGrace]

Not at all. If that was the case then ONLY the holy could be judged. But God holds us all responsible for our actions. We can all at least love others as ourselves.


The presence of God. God is holy. For us to be holy as He is holy we need to go to Him and be where He is. Even the holy angels will say...who stand in the presence of God.

And the angel answered and said to him, “I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings. Luke 1:19

Notice that Gabriel was sent FROM God but still remains in His presence. The same applies for those who walk IN the Spirit.

Can't disagree....but let's see what holy means, this might be causing a problem.
Holy means the same as sanctified....
TO BE SET APART for service to God.

If we are set apart for service to God,,,,
AND WE DO SERVE HIM (some seem to think that this is not an important factor)
then we can say that we are holy.

Some may take this to mean having a holier than thou attitude.....
which it does not.

I think that if we all agreed on the term, we'd understand each other better.

Or would we!?

 

[Episkopos]

Can't disagree....but let's see what holy means, this might be causing a problem.
Holy means the same as sanctified....
TO BE SET APART for service to God.

If we are set apart for service to God,,,,
AND WE DO SERVE HIM (some seem to think that this is not an important factor)
then we can say that we are holy.

Some may take this to mean having a holier than thou attitude.....
which it does not.

I think that if we all agreed on the term, we'd understand each other better.

Or would we!?

I only trust the bible to define the terms of the bible. So we might have a divergence of understanding based on popular culture.

Are we to have a different KIND of holiness than God? Is God only "set apart" ??

Or is holiness something eternal..something relating ONLY to God?

Sure we can be set apart...but for what?

People confuse temple holiness with TRUE holiness found by entering INTO Christ...to be WHERE He is.

 

[Episkopos]

I only trust the bible to define the terms of the bible. So we might have a divergence of understanding based on popular culture.

Are we to have a different KIND of holiness than God? Is God only "set apart" ??

Or is holiness something eternal..something relating ONLY to God?

Sure we can be set apart...but for what?

People confuse temple holiness with TRUE holiness found by entering INTO Christ...to be WHERE He is.

Holiness under the law of Moses: simply set apart for temple use.

Holiness under grace: To be where He is, walking in His power and presence and life.

So you can see which one people prefer...although the temple is now gone...so being set apart has no more use UNLESS we come OUT from Babylon and COME OUT from reliance on the flesh to serve the living God.

 

[GodsGrace]

@RedFan

Also this, but it's very limited....
According to the views of Roman bishops, however, only apostolic sees, churches actually founded by apostles, were eligible for primacy; this view thus excluded any patriarchal role for Constantinople. In fact, the popes of Rome always opposed the idea of pentarchy, gradually developing and affirming a universal ecclesiastical structure centred on Rome as the see of Peter. Byzantine imperial and conciliar legislation practically ignored the Roman view, limiting itself to the token recognition of Rome as the first patriarchal see. The tensions created by the opposing theories contributed to the schism between East and West.

source: Parish | Church, Congregation, Community



I think what happens when I do little studies - I say little because a REAL study would require a scholar, which I am not,
is that you pick up a little here and a little there and you just put everything together.

Early church history, incl the ECFs, helps me to understand my faith better.
I just feel like the persons of that time were closer to what Jesus taught.

 

[GodsGrace]

I only trust the bible to define the terms of the bible. So we might have a divergence of understanding based on popular culture.

Are we to have a different KIND of holiness than God? Is God only "set apart" ??

Or is holiness something eternal..something relating ONLY to God?

Sure we can be set apart...but for what?

People confuse temple holiness with TRUE holiness found by entering INTO Christ...to be WHERE He is.

I think that we have to go a little out of the bible at times to understand terms.
Do you also have a problem with Trinity, Incarnation ?

I don't know about Temple Holiness....not sure what you mean.

I DO agree that holiness must be IN CHRIST,,, don't know how else one could achieve any holiness.....
Yes, I'd say that holiness relates only to God....the set apart is for service to HIM. I think I said this.

If you use holiness as described in any other way, you're going to run into the problem of persons believing you think that you're better than anyone else.

I could bet that a really large percentage of posters here are holy....
they are IN CHRIST and set apart to do good works for Him.

Ephesians 2:10 but there are many verses, which, I think, you'll agree with.
10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[Ritajanice]

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1 Corinthians 2 ►

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ Paul’s Message by the Spirit’s Power 1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1:15–23) 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b 10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So your reject what God has said, so you can promote your false doctrine.

No I reject what you say. In fact it’s not even you your a man follower.

You probably won't be able receive what Gods Word says in the verses below as they expose your false narrative, but try to look at them anyway.

Eph. 2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), The verse says they were DEAD and God made them alive so they were saved. So your theory that dead men can chose God is false because dead men hate God.

Yea God made them alive. And if you read further you will find out when.

See in the passage it says it is by grace we have been saved (that’s how we are made alive). If you did not do what a lot of you do and stop but kept reading you would find out when

For it is by grace we have been saved (made alive) THROUGH FAITH

Nice try. Next time put the whole passage don’t. Don’t try to be so deceptive

 

[Ritajanice]

No I reject what you say. In fact it’s not even you your a man follower.

Yea God made them alive. And if you read further you will find out when.

See in the passage it says it is by grace we have been saved (that’s how we are made alive). If you did not do what a lot of you do and stop but kept reading you would find out when

That’s not how we’re made Alive....were made Alive by the Spirit, our spirit is made Alive/ brought Alive in Christ.....you must be Born Again before you are saved...you put the horse before the cart.

Saved by grace, once were Born Again the two are in harmony with each other.

For it is by grace we have been saved (made alive) THROUGH FAITH

Nice try. Next time put the whole passage don’t. Don’t try to be so deceptive

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...and yes, Born Again saved by the grace of Gods Spirit?

You lack spiritual knowledge/ understanding....you read yourself through Gods word imo.

Our spirit is Born Again...get it?

We are gifted faith..you can’t know God without his gift of faith, which is a manifestation of the Spirit.

Your spirit must be Born Again to know God...we are then spirit children..which you can’t seem to understand.

It’s the Spirit that brings our spirit to life....when God gifts us the faith in our heart/ spirit....a divine revelation..not something you can read into being.

Which you seem to do....to look to the cross and believe it...you must be Born Of The Spirit...thats where the reality of the cross is delivered...by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit....Spirit to spirit....a Living divine revelation/ visitation.

 

[Episkopos]

I think that we have to go a little out of the bible at times to understand terms.
Do you also have a problem with Trinity, Incarnation ?

Well, when men get a hold of eternal ideas they tend to compromise in order to appeal to the majority.

I don't know about Temple Holiness....not sure what you mean.

I DO agree that holiness must be IN CHRIST,,, don't know how else one could achieve any holiness.....
Yes, I'd say that holiness relates only to God....the set apart is for service to HIM. I think I said this.

If you use holiness as described in any other way, you're going to run into the problem of persons believing you think that you're better than anyone else.

Only puffed up egos hate the idea that somebody knows more or is more advanced than they are. Jesus was hated by the religious establishment as in...hey...WE never approved of this rabbi, so OBVIOUSLY He is not of God. What hubris...

So the ones who think they are better are the ones who judge those who declare things that they have no idea about.

I could bet that a really large percentage of posters here are holy....
they are IN CHRIST and set apart to do good works for Him.

A large percentage here think that sanctification is progressive...as in you get more holy over time. As such the majority know nothing about holiness.

Ephesians 2:10 but there are many verses, which, I think, you'll agree with.
10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

The higher walk is to live FROM Christ in His perfection. Now, to the religious ego, that sounds elitist. Rather than seeing the upward call as something wonderful, hypocrites will rail at whatever seems exclusive to some but not all. Especially if they feel left out. God ONLY gives grace to the humble, after all. And God has no favourites, unlike themselves. They are just too stubborn to conform themselves to God's ways.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well, when men get a hold of eternal ideas they tend to compromise in order to appeal to the majority.


Only puffed up egos hate the idea that somebody knows more or is more advanced than they are. Jesus was hated by the religious establishment as in...hey...WE never approved of this rabbi, so OBVIOUSLY He is not of God. What hubris...

So the ones who think they are better are the ones who judge those who declare things that they have no idea about.


A large percentage here think that sanctification is progressive...as in you get more holy over time. As such the majority know nothing about holiness.

The higher walk is to live FROM Christ in His perfection. Now, to the religious ego, that sounds elitist. Rather than seeing the upward call as something wonderful, hypocrites will rail at whatever seems exclusive to some but not all. Especially if they feel left out. God ONLY gives grace to the humble, after all. And God has no favourites, unlike themselves. They are just too stubborn to conform themselves to God's ways.

Do you believe in sinless perfection?

 

[GodsGrace]

That’s not how we’re made Alive....were made Alive by the Spirit, our spirit is made Alive/ brought Alive in Christ.....you must be Born Again before you are saved...you put the horse before the cart.

Saved by grace, once were Born Again the two are in harmony with each other.

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...and yes, Born Again saved by the grace of Gods Spirit?

You lack spiritual knowledge/ understanding....you read yourself through Gods word imo.

Our spirit is Born Again...get it?

We are gifted faith..you can’t know God without his gift of faith, which is a manifestation of the Spirit.

Your spirit must be Born Again to know God...we are then spirit children..which you can’t seem to understand.

It’s the Spirit that brings our spirit to life....when God gifts us the faith in our heart/ spirit....a divine revelation..not something you can read into being.

Which you seem to do....to look to the cross and believe it...you must be Born Of The Spirit...thats where the reality of the cross is delivered...by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit....Spirit to spirit....a Living divine revelation/ visitation.

Wow.
Are you telling the other member he's not born again?

HOW do you know that?
You're privy to God's mind?

 

[Ritajanice]

Wow.
Are you telling the other member he's not born again?

HOW do you know that?
You're privy to God's mind?

I voiced what I believe.

He does the same...telling me and others that I too aren’t Born Again and don’t know what it means?

Do you have the gift of discernment?

Do you know what spirit talk is..or only intellectual talk?

Intellectual talk is dead boring?

Crave to understand God’s Spirit talk and understanding...is what I do!

We are spirit children remember?

 

[Episkopos]

Do you believe in sinless perfection?

Are you asking if I believe in Jesus Christ? Do you believe that Jesus was sinful? Imperfect?

He gives us HIS perfection when we enter INTO Him. In Him is no sin.

Are you a believer IN Christ? (not just about Christ)

 

[Ritajanice]

There is no sin in a Born Again spirit...they have been Born Of God’s seed.

Again that can only come by divine/ revelation/ visitation.

The Spirit cannot indwell the spirit of a sinner.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok, now I see your issue. God has appointed Shepherds to lead and watch over His Sheep, but you reject Gods ways and go off on your own as a rouge sheep. Gods Word says that rouge sheep are a tasty meal for the hungry Lion, who roams around looking for rebellious rouge sheep.

Paul said not to be followers of men when you blindly follow men (like your doing) and do not test the spirits. Then you risk following the wrong person why do you think we have so many denominations to begin with are they all right? Of course not

I suspect you don't belong to the body of Christ by what you say, if your not a member of a local body of believers (Church) then your still outside of Christ. God gave us leaders and teachers because we are just Sheep, Sheep are quite dumb and venerable so we do need someone to protect us and teach us how to live.

Actually I am a member of a local church. We have over 6000 members and I half lead a small home church but like most proud people. You assume things not true

You want to discuss the word bring it on. You want to attack me because I am apposing you. Then you show your true colors

If you think that a Sheep can simply read the Gospel and fluke the right interpretation, without relevant qualifications, then you believe that a street sweeper can perform brain surgery successfully. You have turned your back on the worlds greatest theologians and Bible scholars, and appointed yourself as the greatest of all. This is what every cult leader and self deluded expert does.

lol you keep proving my point. You have fallen into the Catholic propaganda machine. I never said I had no leader. I said I do not follow men

I gre up a Baptist. But I stopped following them when having bible study with people and being shown some of the thing I was taught are not biblical

So I had two choices. Be a man follower. Like you are. Or study to show myself approved a workMan who needs not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth

I am open if you can show me something I have wrong I will repent. But you’re not even trying your attacking. People do that when they are not secure in their own faith. When it has flaws or when they are just so proud they think they have it all

I think we see which one you are.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s not how we’re made Alive....were made Alive by the Spirit, our spirit is made Alive/ brought Alive in Christ.....you must be Born Again before you are saved...you put the horse before the cart.

Saved by grace, once were Born Again the two are in harmony with each other.

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...and yes, Born Again saved by the grace of Gods Spirit?

You lack spiritual knowledge/ understanding....you read yourself through Gods word imo.

Our spirit is Born Again...get it?

We are gifted faith..you can’t know God without his gift of faith, which is a manifestation of the Spirit.

Your spirit must be Born Again to know God...we are then spirit children..which you can’t seem to understand.

It’s the Spirit that brings our spirit to life....when God gifts us the faith in our heart/ spirit....a divine revelation..not something you can read into being.

Which you seem to do....to look to the cross and believe it...you must be Born Of The Spirit...thats where the reality of the cross is delivered...by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit....Spirit to spirit....a Living divine revelation/ visitation.

That’s not how we’re made Alive....were made Alive by the Spirit, our spirit is made Alive/ brought Alive in Christ.....you must be Born Again before you are saved...you put the horse before the cart.

Saved by grace, once were Born Again the two are in harmony with each other.

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...and yes, Born Again saved by the grace of Gods Spirit?

You lack spiritual knowledge/ understanding....you read yourself through Gods word imo.

Our spirit is Born Again...get it?

We are gifted faith..you can’t know God without his gift of faith, which is a manifestation of the Spirit.

Your spirit must be Born Again to know God...we are then spirit children..which you can’t seem to understand.

It’s the Spirit that brings our spirit to life....when God gifts us the faith in our heart/ spirit....a divine revelation..not something you can read into being.

Which you seem to do....to look to the cross and believe it...you must be Born Of The Spirit...thats where the reality of the cross is delivered...by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit....Spirit to spirit....a Living divine revelation/ visitation.

This poster is confused about what it means to be born again and when. Like the other guy she partially reads a passage and refuses to read the whole oassage

We are made alive when that which makes us dead is removed

You can’t be made alive until you are justified. We are justified through fairh

Just like Jesus said in john3. Those who believe are born again. And given gods promise they will never die

 

[GodsGrace]

I voiced what I believe.

He does the same...telling me and others that I too aren’t Born Again and don’t know what it means?

Do you have the gift of discernment?

Do you know what spirit talk is..or only intellectual talk?

Intellectual talk is dead boring?

Crave to understand God’s Spirit talk and understanding...is what I do!

We are spirit children remember?

You could be a spirit child Rita.....Who am I to tell you you're not?

But I don't think you have the authority to know if someone is saved or not.
I don't care how much discernment you THINK you have...

ONLY GOD can know who is saved and who isn't.

HE made the rules...NOT YOU.

 

[Ritajanice]

This poster is confused about what it means to be born again and when. Like the other guy she partially reads a passage and refuses to read the whole passage.

You are the one who is confused..you added to that scripture what “ you” believe it means to be Born Again.

You can’t even explain what it means to be Born Of God’s Seed...you said it was the cross.

We are made alive when that which makes us dead is removed

You can’t be made alive until you are justified. We are justified through fairh

Just like Jesus said in john3. Those who believe are born again. And given gods promise they will never die

We are made Alive in our spirit by Gods Spirit...which you can’t even explain.

Those who believe are already Born Again..you teach man made doctrine...not to this lady you won’t.

You must receive divine revelation to know that you are Born Again..reading it into being doesn’t cut it.

 

[Ritajanice]

You could be a spirit child Rita.....Who am I to tell you you're not?

But I don't think you have the authority to know if someone is saved or not.
I don't care how much discernment you THINK you have...

ONLY GOD can know who is saved and who isn't.

HE made the rules...NOT YOU.

Did you read my post?

 

[GodsGrace]

Are you asking if I believe in Jesus Christ? Do you believe that Jesus was sinful? Imperfect?

He gives us HIS perfection when we enter INTO Him. In Him is no sin.

Are you a believer IN Christ? (not just about Christ)

Right.
You believe in sinless perfection.
OK.
I don't agree but I'm not going to argue this.
The important thing is that you believe.

We have persons that believe they never sin...
We have persons that won't plainly state that it's necessary to obey God...

Makes me want to become a Catholic again.