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Ritajanice

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Humanistic propaganda? You and I both know what holiness is and the etymology-I don't need divine visitations and experiences brother and for someone who experienced these you speak in a very condescendingly manner to your fellow brothers and sisters EN/EIS Christ Jesus-no root, no fruit.
Read 1 Cor 13.
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If you didn’t have a divine Living spirit birth ..you can’t be Born Again in your spirit...that’s where we are Born Again in our spirit.

You do need a divine visitation to be Born Of The Spirit... @Johann ?

You’re in un- belief.
 

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The shed blood of Jesus is the full payment... for the sin of the world.
His Death, is the finished judgment of God, against sin, and the resurrection of Jesus is the Proof that what He said from The Cross, is true.

Jesus said..."it is FINISHED", just before He died on the Cross.

What is finished?

A.) The New Covenant, and the Birth of the New Testament Church, and the beginning of the "Time of the Gentiles".

Also, the shedding of Jesus's Blood and His Death, created the only "way" for a sinner to be forgiven of all their sin, so that by this redemption, God can cause the Believer to have a "new birth" in the Spirit as Born ... again.. and thereby become a "new Creation, in Christ"..... The "Son/Daughter of God"= to exist eternally as "The Temple of the Holy Spirit", .now....."Seated in heavenly places, IN Christ".
Amen

He said it is finished (literally paid in full) he did nto say I am done, I did my part. now you do your part.
 

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Humanistic propaganda? You and I both know what holiness is and the etymology-I don't need divine visitations and experiences brother and for someone who experienced these you speak in a very condescendingly manner to your fellow brothers and sisters EN/EIS Christ Jesus-no root, no fruit.
Read 1 Cor 13.
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You are unwilling to be hurt by the truth in your quest to be comforted by a lie. What sounds condescending to you is meant to snap you out of a flesh spiral. You are identifying with the wrong part of you. The outer man...who defends himself and has....guess what? ...self-interest. Instead, surrender to God and His Spirit of truth. Perhaps God will translate you into His presence the way it says so in the bible? But you need to get off your horse, so to speak.
 

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You are unwilling to be hurt by the truth in your quest to be comforted by a lie. What sounds condescending to you is meant to snap you out of a flesh spiral. You are identifying with the wrong part of you. The outer man...who defends himself and has....guess what? ...self-interest. Instead, surrender to God and His Spirit of truth. Perhaps God will translate you into His presence the way it says so in the bible? But you need to get off your horse, so to speak.
Amen!!
 
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If you didn’t have a divine Living spirit birth ..you can’t be Born Again in your spirit...that’s where we are Born Again in our spirit.

You do need a divine visitation to be Born Of The Spirit... @Johann ?

You’re in un- belief.
Once you know what you are talking about and can hold a intellectual conversation we can talk and discuss, not now, you need to grow up, in baby-hood stage. Hence your demotion.
 

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There is no "forgiveness in Christ" in the OT, as Jesus was not offered on the Cross as Forgiveness for the sin of the world, in the OT.

The OT ends with Malachi, and Jesus was born, 450 Yrs after Malachi, died.

Jesus is the author of the NT, the New Covenant, and the creator of the "body of Christ", that is found created in the NT, exactly when Jesus Died on the Cross and was Resurrected.
Abraham was forgiven. He was imputed righjteousness.

we need to remember God is outside of time. God can forgive BECAUSE of what Jesus would do (Abraham's time) is doing (gods time) and has done (our time)

I think we need to look outside of our reality to see the truth of Gods word.

Jesus had the authority to forgive sins before he died. Because Jesus was going to pay for them, IN FULL
 

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You are out there in space...and show to all the folly of an indoctrinated mind. For you salvation is the ability to sin and get away with it. Good luck with that.
Actually that would be your gospel

You sin, and it means nothing, as long as you walk like christ.

No one gets away with sin
 
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Once you know what you are talking about and can hold a intellectual conversation we can talk and discuss, not now, you need to grow up, in baby-hood stage. Hence your demotion.
Exactly...nothing spiritual and no spirit questions answered.

Intellectual knowledge ( yours ) is dead in Spirit and dead boring to read.

That’s why I never read your intellectual posts...void of any spiritual life, just other people’s commentaries and works.

You can’t even explain what the scriptures mean in the spirit....
 
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Why do I sound so stern at times? Well, a poster here has suggested that I'm confronting immaturity and that I should go easy on people for their sake. But I disagree. The immature are still on the path of life....they maybe lag behind a little in understanding. But Jesus said "My sheep HEAR My voice." So then the immature still recognize the truth when they hear it.

Not so those who follow another path. Those don't need a gentle little nudge to keep up with the more mature. These need to be rescued from great peril.


If there are any who have ever known the truth and have strayed due to an incessant institutional indoctrination...

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

An actual conversion needs to take place for the erstwhile brother to be restored to the path of life. What would it take for one who has never known the way of the truth?
 
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You are unwilling to be hurt by the truth in your quest to be comforted by a lie.

@Johann , is not willing to accept your bizarre man-made theology, that is not just bizarre and copied from your commentaries......, but it literally insults the Cross, because you have stated that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness". and that denies the Reason that Jesus died on The Cross.

So, why would any real Christian, accept what you teach, ?
You should begin to realize this, if possible. @Episkopos
 
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An indoctrinated mind is a scary thing. Delusional thinking is known by its departure from reality. I know that some who normally agree with you...based on self-interest, will see some of your posts as outlandish. Do you deny that Jesus is God too?

Forgiveness from God is the same as forgiveness from Christ. Of course you will deny this.
Well since God is Christ and Christ is God. and jesus paid the debt for sin, Yes, I would agree
Are you saying that forgiveness in Christ means that it was Jesus that couldn't forgive us...until He died? But then you read that Jesus forgave many before His death, including the paralytic and even the Romans. So there goes that theory. The fact is you have no truth at all in your worlds...and you don't even care about it.
Again, Jesus would pay for it.

Only if jesus did not pay for it, would he be unable to forgive

the penalty of redemption must be paid. or there can be no forgiveness
 

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@Johann , is not willing to accept your bizarre man-made theology, that is not just bizarre and copied from your commentaries......, but it literally insults the Cross, because you have stated that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness". and that denies the Reason that Jesus died on The Cross.

So, why would any real Christian, accept what you teach, ?
You should begin to realize this, if possible. @Episkopos
If people love the truth, they listen to me.
 

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If people love the truth, they listen to me.

If you loved the truth, you would not be on a public forum, denying that Jesus died on the Cross to forgive sin., tho the devil loves it when you post that over and over.
You dont realize this yet... but in time, you will.

Also...you're a bit late to try to hide from this, and your constant insulting, that is your lame attempt to do "damage control" is just one more self proven : "fail". @Episkopos
 

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One thing that will NEVER be considered among the self-interested ones...is that God is holy and that is the purpose of the atonement. Old Slew-foot has them convinced they will never be holy...or that it will take a lifetime to do so.
The true meaning of holiness is perfection.

Since all have sinned and fallen short. Its to late for us to achieve that state

However. the word says there will be a day we will be sinless.. I look forward to that day
Does it take a lifetime to be forgiven? Of course not.
Actually it only takes a minute.

Jesus died
He came so you may have lif
He is offering you forgiveness based on his shed blood
all we have to do is say yes
And this idea appeals to self-interest. Who doesn't want to get away with sin, right? This is the level that people are at that I'm trying to get to see the truth.
Who wants to get away with sin? Is this not you? Are you perfect?
But holiness...as a gift by grace...being as quick as being forgiven. In fact INSTEAD of being just forgiven. NO WAY!
Justification is a gift of grace,

If your not justified, you will never be holy your still dead in your sin
No faith. No intimacy with God. No knowledge of God. No understanding.
And no salvation.. through which non of what you say is even remotely possible
Forgiveness is for the heathen. Holiness is for His people.
lol.

Once again, How can a christian chat room allow this stuff in here?
 
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Perhaps God will translate you into His presence the way it says so in the bible?
The one that needs to get knocked down from his high horse is you brother-no offense.

No, divine visitations and extraordinary experiences are not necessary to get to know Jesus. While some individuals in the Bible and throughout history have had remarkable encounters with God, the primary way God reveals Himself and His truth to us is through His written Word, the Bible, and through the person of Jesus Christ.

Ways to Know Jesus Without Divine Visitations

Scripture: The Bible is God's inspired word and the primary means through which He communicates His character, will, and plan for humanity (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Studying and meditating on Scripture allows us to understand who Jesus is, His teachings, and His redemptive work.

Prayer: Prayer is our direct communication with God. Through prayer, we can commune with Jesus, express our thoughts and emotions, seek His guidance, and experience His presence in our lives (Philippians 4:6-7).

Fellowship: Engaging in Christian community, such as attending church, participating in small groups, and interacting with other believers, provides opportunities to learn from others who know Jesus and to grow in our faith together (Hebrews 10:24-25).

Personal Experience: As we live out our faith, we experience the reality of Jesus in our lives through His transforming work, answered prayers, and the peace and joy that come from knowing Him (John 14:27; Galatians 5:22-23).

Holy Spirit: The Holy Spirit, whom Jesus sent to dwell in believers, guides us into all truth and helps us understand the Scriptures (John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12). The Spirit also convicts us of sin, empowers us for Christian living, and bears witness to our relationship with Christ (Romans 8:9-11).

Balance with Caution
While God can and does occasionally reveal Himself in supernatural ways, such as dreams, visions, or direct experiences, it's important to approach such occurrences with discernment and in line with biblical principles (1 John 4:1). Our foundation for knowing Jesus should always be grounded in Scripture and confirmed through the leading of the Holy Spirit.

2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
John 5:39: "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me."
Prayer:

Philippians 4:6-7: "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."
Matthew 6:6: "But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."
Fellowship:

Hebrews 10:24-25: "And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near."
1 Thessalonians 5:11: "Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing."
Personal Experience:

John 14:27: "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid."
Galatians 5:22-23: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."
Holy Spirit:

John 14:26: "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
Romans 8:9-11: "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him."

These scriptures highlight the various ways in which we can know Jesus and grow in our relationship with Him: through studying Scripture, prayer, fellowship with other believers, personal experience of His peace and fruit of the Spirit, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. These avenues provide a comprehensive and biblically grounded approach to knowing and experiencing Jesus in our lives.
J.
 

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You are unwilling to be hurt by the truth in your quest to be comforted by a lie. What sounds condescending to you is meant to snap you out of a flesh spiral. You are identifying with the wrong part of you. The outer man...who defends himself and has....guess what? ...self-interest. Instead, surrender to God and His Spirit of truth. Perhaps God will translate you into His presence the way it says so in the bible? But you need to get off your horse, so to speak.
so what is the lie?

That forgiveness of sin (through the cross) will be preached to all the world.

Why do you preach holiness, yet deny the new birth that we all must recieve?
 

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If people love the truth, they listen to me.
Not listening to you my friend.

The truth can only come from the mouth of God via His witness His Living Holy Spirit.

There is no truth in us Brother.

Only the Spirit of truth....The Holy Spirit.

He speaks his truth out of our spirit..as we are spirit children.
 

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The redemption of the sinner is not through the life and love of Christ displayed in, His earthly walk, but through of His Cross. Peace with God cannot be found in any other remedy. This truth, is the very foundation of the gospel of saving grace, and the touch-stone of the Christian faith. There are at least 120 passages of Scripture that state that Christ died for our sins. From Genesis to Revelation the truth is plain that, “without shedding of blood is no remission” (Hebrews 9:22). Not that the sacrifices offered up before Christ died could in themselves provide a full satisfaction or an atonement for sin, “For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and Of goats should take away sins” (Hebrews 10:4). They simply provided a ‘covering’ for sin until a full and final redemption was accomplished by the blood of Christ. The sacrifices and offerings of the Old Testament, were, representative; and pointed to the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ. When by obedience to God the offering of a sacrifice was made in the Old Testament, atonement was made for the errors of the people and sin was ‘covered’. But how infinitely greater is the redemption in Christ Jesus! He does not cover our sins. He puts them away, and we can thank God that our redemption is through HIS blood.

The whole human family is born by natural birth into the first Adam, and is under the sentence of death. (Romans 5:12). Sin and death are universal facts. “By the offense of one judgment came upon all men unto condemnation”. But we thank God that “where sin abounded, grace did much more abound”. (Romans 5:20). Just as death came through Adam; so life came through Jesus Christ. “For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.” Romans 5:17. We were sold under sin; under the sentence of death. But Christ redeemed us; literally loosed us”. He set us free by paying the price. The price of our redemption was His own blood which He shed when He died in our stead, He became sin for us; He who knew no sin, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” II Corinthians 5:21. Many passages could be quoted in continuance of this glorious theme. In summing up, Romans 5:8 and 9 should not be forgotten. “But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.” And the Divine purpose of our redemption as applied to conduct is equally clear in Titus 2:14, “Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous: of good works.”

We could not redeem ourselves, But He has redeemed us. We could not make our own peace; but He has made peace for us by the blood of His cross. Only by the preaching of the cross can man be saved. To them that perish this is foolishness; but to them that believe its message of redemption, the cross is the power of God and the wisdom of God. Therefore with the Apostle Paul, we present Christ crucified, as the only hope of salvation for poor lost sinners; that their faith “should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God”. (I Corinthians 2:5)

When we come to the study of Ephesians 1:14, which speaks of “the redemption of the purchased possession” and Ephesians 4:30, “sealed unto the day of redemption”, we see a future phase of our deliverance, the consummation of the work begun. Redemption through His blood is a redemption for the soul; but a day will come when God will do for our bodies what He has done for our souls. That will be the redemption of the body, when the body of humiliation shall be changed into the body of His glory. (Philippians 3:20). That will be the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1:7. “The forgiveness of our sins, according to the riches of His Grace”.

The psalmist cries in Psalm 32:1, “Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.” One of the first blessings of grace is the consciousness that redemption in His blood has brought the forgiveness of sin. What a glorious message! For when God forgives our sin, our responsibility for it ceases. The guilt then is no longer ours, therefore, we are freed from any penalty that had been incurred. “There is no condemnation to them that are in Christ.” (Romans 8:1). Who can fathom the grace of our God?

Ephesians 1:8. “Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence.” “Abounded”, that is, made to overflow. This grace has not been stinted and confined; but has been liberally manifested to us in all wisdom and prudence. There is a wide design running through the whole plan, all of God’s plans are a display of His wisdom. His purpose for us in Christ Jesus was not an afterthought; although a secret hid in His own heart from before age times. “Prudence” is wisdom in action or application. God prudently chose the proper time for the revelation and manifestation of His Divine purpose and grace. It was not until Israel as a nation was set aside that the secret that was in His heart, or “the mystery of His will” was made known. How students of God’s Word need to know this! Israel was out of the way with the close of Acts and then Paul proclaimed “the dispensation of the mystery”. Ephesians 3:9.

Ephesians 1:9. “Having made known unto us the mystery of His will according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself.”

It has pleased God to make known in Christ the mystery of His will, this is the revelation of the mystery which was kept secret from former generations; and is according to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord. Read; reread; study; believe; preach Colossians 1:24 to 18. The revelation of the “untraceable riches (Ephesians 3:8) was given to the Apostle Paul. Having made known this mystery, our desire should be to fulfill Ephesians 3:9, and “make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery.” The “mystery” is not something mysterious, something not known. It is not a riddle; but a revelation. We do not need a key to an open door: all we have to do is to step inside and invite others to follow. Oh, let us enjoy and appreciate the riches of His grace and glory, by understanding our blessed position in Him and appropriating the truth of the mystery which completes the word of God. (Colossians 1:25).

Ephesians 1:10. “That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather in one all things in Christ, both which are in. heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him.”



Ephesians 1:12. “That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ.”

The “we” in this verse refers to believing Jews, while the “ye” in Ephesians 1:13, has reference to believing Gentiles, and “our” in Ephesians 1:14 to Jew and Gentile together. The second chapter enters more fully into the uniting of these two in the making of the one New Man. That second chapter shows how both are reconciled unto God in the one Body. We must wait until we reach that part of the epistle for a fuller exposition.



Amen brother. (had to remove some of your post due to the length) Without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sins: The wages of sin is death....therefore atonement costs a life, a life for a life....and life is in the blood. Never understood it before, but I think that is why Abel's offering was accepted by God and Cain's wasn't....Able understood what his "just desserts" were, that it required the shedding of blood, while Cain's offering was only a token, he had no remorse for his sinful state and so didn't see the need for a greater sacrifice. And by dying is how Jesus fulfilled the Law in our place, which required blood...with His once for all sacrifice.

The Lord's supper reminds us of this wonderful truth, of the gracious magnanimity of His grace that was poured out, given to us, at the same time as it is a humble reminder of our just desserts.
 
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The true meaning of holiness is perfection.

Since all have sinned and fallen short. Its to late for us to achieve that state

However. the word says there will be a day we will be sinless.. I look forward to that day

Actually it only takes a minute.

Jesus died
He came so you may have lif
He is offering you forgiveness based on his shed blood
all we have to do is say yes

Who wants to get away with sin? Is this not you? Are you perfect?

Justification is a gift of grace,

If your not justified, you will never be holy your still dead in your sin

And no salvation.. through which non of what you say is even remotely possible

lol.

Once again, How can a christian chat room allow this stuff in here?
Unbelievable-shockingly so!
 
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Amen brother. (had to remove some of your post due to the length) Without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sins: The wages of sin is death....therefore atonement costs a life, a life for a life....and life is in the blood. Never understood it before, but I think that is why Abel's offering was accepted by God and Cain's wasn't....Able understood what his "just desserts" were, that it required the shedding of blood, while Cain's offering was only a token, he had no remorse for his sinful state and so didn't see the need for a greater sacrifice. And by dying is how Jesus fulfilled the Law in our place, which required blood...with His once for all sacrifice.

The Lord's supper reminds us of this wonderful truth, of the gracious magnanimity of His grace that was poured out, given to us, at the same time as it is a humble reminder of our just desserts.
I am affiliated with the Berean Bible Society vie e mail @Lizbeth and there is some solid meat to be found there.
God bless.
Johann.
 
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