The right to abort. The right to ask for the aborted to be adopted instead. These are the same thing!

[PinSeeker]

Saying that "Pretty much 100 percent of the time, there is at least some possibility of survival" is simply wrong."

More "logic..." So it goes...

It's obvious that you know nothing about the risks associated with pregnancy.

Well, yes, I do, and first-hand, actually. I'll leave that there, and just say that there is risk -- oftentimes grave risk -- in just about everything in this world, Jim. Regrettably (to put it mildly), not everything turns out in the end the way we want it to, for sure.

Not every fetus is capable of surviving separate from the mother!!!

No child, up to a certain point in his/her development, Jim, is capable of surviving separate from the mother. That does not justify, though, as I said, in any way, not making every attempt to ensure that outcome. And how you can characterize that as "lack of compassion" is, quite frankly, incredulous.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Jim B]

Call it what you want; it is the deliberate termination of an innocent human being.

Grace and peace to you.

Call it what you want. It is a sound medical procedure that terminates a pregnancy, primarily because the fetus cannot survive on its own outside the womb. It is laughable to say that "it is the deliberate termination of an innocent human being".

BTW, if you're so concerned about "the deliberate termination of an innocent human being" why did God permit Herod to kill all the boys two years old and younger around the time of Jesus' birth? Also, why did God kill all the "innocent" firstborn in Egypt, humans and animals?

 

[Jim B]

More "logic..." So it goes...


Well, yes, I do, and first-hand, actually. I'll leave that there, and just say that there is risk -- oftentimes grave risk -- in just about everything in this world, Jim. Regrettably (to put it mildly), not everything turns out in the end the way we want it to, for sure.


No child, up to a certain point in his/her development, Jim, is capable of surviving separate from the mother. That does not justify, though, as I said, in any way, not making every attempt to ensure that outcome. And how you can characterize that as "lack of compassion" is, quite frankly, incredulous.

Grace and peace to you.

I know more about pregnancy, birth, abortion, etc. than you ever will. I know the facts!

I agree that there is risk -- oftentimes grave risk -- in some situations in this world. Even driving a car or going to the bank or even attending school can be fatal!

Regrettably (to put it mildly), not everything turns out in the end the way we want it to. That is why problem pregnancies in which the fetus cannot survive outside the womb must be aborted. There is no need for any newborn to die an agonizing death! And if it's an ectopic pregnancy, both the mother and the fetus will die if no abortion is performed. Two deaths!!!

It is clearly a lack of compassion to not do what is medically necessary!

 

[Jack]

I know more about pregnancy, birth, abortion, etc. than you ever will. I know the facts!

I agree that there is risk -- oftentimes grave risk -- in some situations in this world. Even driving a car or going to the bank or even attending school can be fatal!

Regrettably (to put it mildly), not everything turns out in the end the way we want it to. That is why problem pregnancies in which the fetus cannot survive outside the womb must be aborted. There is no need for any newborn to die an agonizing death! And if it's an ectopic pregnancy, both the mother and the fetus will die if no abortion is performed. Two deaths!!!

It is clearly a lack of compassion to not do what is medically necessary!

So, killing babies is compassion and necessary? I'm sure Planned Parenthood and Joe Biden would agree with you. $$$!

 

[MatthewG]

No one cares unless you have passion about it.

 

[Jack]

No one cares unless you have passion about it.

I do have a "passion" for saving babies. I love children. I love children of all races, not just black children. They are the same to me.

 

[Gottservant]

This is madness! What are you trying to say?

What are you saying? That abortion should be law? But not adoption?

 

[Gottservant]

What is your basis for saying that the number of abortions currently far outweighs the number of needed abortions?

You can pray and pray and pray, but that won't change reality. If a fetus has malformed lungs or a malformed heart, for example, it will not survive.

I heard the statistic on Answers in Genesis.

 

[Jack]

You can pray and pray and pray, but that won't change reality.

A Christian would never say such a terrible thing!!! Let me guess, you're a Liberal?

 

[MatthewG]

Death.

 

[BarneyFife]

So, killing babies is compassion and necessary? I'm sure Planned Parenthood and Joe Biden would agree with you. $$$!

I'm not much for politics but, you know, what's weird is that Mr. Biden's sociological views were completely different 30 years ago.

 

[Jack]

I'm not much for politics but, you know, what's weird is that Mr. Biden's sociological views were completely different 30 years ago.

I think the Left is rapidly shifting to Communism.

 

[MatthewG]

No one cares though unless they have an interest.

 

[BarneyFife]

I think the Left is rapidly shifting to Communism.

It's a strange amalgamation of faux-anticapitalism and socialism, so it looks like communism (especially to those of us who grew up amidst the Red Scare) but it doesn't quite qualify.

Not that anything ever did, really, since "communism" is always a cover for and somewhat effective management tool of totalitarianism, which is what we see emerging in America.

Orwell's "thought police" have come to life. The past is being erased. A great writer once said: "We have nothing to fear from the future, except that we should forget God's leading in the past."

Men unfazed by the Spirit of God will always adopt a system of prioritizing their own wants (or felt needs, if they are somehow nagged by their consciences to self-justification) over those of God and other men. Fallen nature must be subdued by the divine nature for men to be successful in life as granted by The Infinite One.

Anything short of complete surrender to Christ and the will of the Father will always net a complete failure.

While men quibble over what constitutes human life so they can have their way, Christ weeps as the enemy of souls taunts Him about the deluded, self-deceived hearts of the purchase of His blood.

 

[BarneyFife]

No one cares though unless they have an interest.

I think I often misunderstand you. It is one of my most regrettable faults.

 

[Jim B]

What are you saying? That abortion should be law? But not adoption?

You are making zero sense. Abortion is permitted by law, as it should be. The decision to terminate a pregnancy is, and should be, decided by a woman, her physician, and others whom they trust.

Adoption is also legal.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

[Jack]

You are making zero sense. Abortion is permitted by law, as it should be. The decision to terminate a pregnancy is, and should be, decided by a woman, her physician, and others whom they trust.

Adoption is also legal.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Murder should be permitted? Oh that's right, it's not YOU who are being murdered. How Liberal!

 

[BarneyFife]

Speaking of communism, a film was produced in 1934 called "Our Daily Bread." I saw it on PBS late at night about 45 years ago.

It seemed to be a mixed message to me. The benefits of pooling resources and skills during the Great Depression cannot be overstated. But there will always eventually be one or two on hand to exploit those benefits for personal desires or gain.

It's a worthwhile watch, although many folks are so conditioned to expect great excitement from post-modern entertainment that they cannot be satiated with the slower pace and simple storytelling of older works.

Entertainment has always been a moral liability, for the most part, but there are many edifying works of art here and there.

And it's surprised me over the years to discover some of the subtle and nuanced details of film, especially.

I saw "The Fountainhead" several times before I realized it was an epic piece of propaganda for Rand's objectivism philosophy. I did manage to get through her book "Atlas Shrugged" when I was out of work some years ago (although I had to skip over some of John Galt's monologue marathon—I was afraid I would slip into a coma) but I wish I could get those 2 weeks of my life back. She was obsessed with the Nietzscheanesque "super man" complete with his tendencies toward rape.

Yesterday I watched "M" from Fritz Lang in 1931 (another PBS Late Show from the '70s) and as much as I'm getting off topic here, this one does have the theme of painting villains as victims to which, I admit there is some element of truth, but the problem is that the proponents of this motif fail to distinguish the concept of excusal from influence, making the offender out to be completely choiceless and hopeless to revival and reformation.

Things that were worked through before abortion became so widely available and convenient are now considered to be entirely too much to bear. This is an alarming trend in America that will eventually lead to our undoing as a nation.

People are encouraged in iniquity by slogans such as "It's okay to not be okay" plastered across billboard signs and the sides of public transportation and the message received is "We'll enable you for as long as you feel the need."

It is believed that people should not be subjected to the possibility of being offended by suggesting that their behavior could be successfully modified and that what was formerly considered to be mental illness by the scientists that are now worshipped is actually, simply "their truth."

 

[BarneyFife]

Murder should be permitted? Oh that's right, it's not YOU who are being murdered. How Liberal!

I have to say that, while I do not agree with Jim B on much of anything, I'm straining to understand how the OP expects the "right to adopt to intervene abortion" to be codified in a legislative form.

It's fair enough to say unequivocally that babies should be adopted rather than killed, but that doesn't seem to be what he's lobbying for.

How do you write an enforceable law that says a person has a right to force a women to carry a child to full term of gestation so that another person's right to adopt is not infringed.

It's just a completely incohesive water-and-oil type of expression.

 

[MatthewG]

I think I often misunderstand you. It is one of my most regrettable faults.

Not sure if I care to be understood sometimes. Sometimes the best thing one can do is remain silent. That is an however an infectious disease called choice.