The right to abort. The right to ask for the aborted to be adopted instead. These are the same thing!

[BarneyFife]

Not that it justifies the means, it’s still the point as to judge and not include yourself as a murderer, is in fact telling oneself a delusional lie.

So is eating pork! ??

Why would anyone eat pork?

 

[Jack]

So is eating pork! ??

So you equate eating human babies with eating pork? I hope everyone in Canada isn't loony!

 

[Naomanos]

Why would anyone eat pork?

Because it's another meat?

I can get a pork loin for $20 and get at least five meals out of it.

 

[BarneyFife]

Because it's another meat?

I can get a pork loin for $20 and get at least five meals out of it.

I can get five meals out of $5 worth of beans and it won't give me cancer, diabetes, arthritis, trichinosis, or atherosclerosis. That's probably why God said swine's flesh is an unclean abomination and wholly unfit for food. Obviously, you're a free moral agent and completely at liberty to indulge, but I'll pass.

 

[Naomanos]

I can get five meals out of $5 worth of beans and it won't give me cancer, diabetes, arthritis, trichinosis, or atherosclerosis.

Not everyone eats beans, has nothing to do with being a free moral agent. There is also something called moderation. On top of that God showed Peter that all foods are clean to eat, but hey, you do you.

Christians are not bound by Jewish dietary laws.

 

[Stan B]

Why would anyone eat pork?

Because it makes a lousy beverage!

 

[BarneyFife]

Not everyone eats beans, has nothing to do with being a free moral agent. There is also something called moderation. On top of that God showed Peter that all foods are clean to eat, but hey, you do you.

Christians are not bound by Jewish dietary laws.

What God showed Peter, in a symbolic vision, was that he should not call any man (anthropos) unclean (see verse 28).

And I don't do me. That's pluralistic, postmodern junk philosophy. I'm a Christian. I assume you are, too.

As for dietary laws being Jewish, so were all the authors of Scripture, the apostles, the Savior, and even salvation, itself.

Joh 4:22 KJV Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

 

[MatthewG]

Food is enjoyed. :)

 

[Naomanos]

As for dietary laws being Jewish, so were all the authors of Scripture, the apostles, the Savior, and even salvation, itself.

I guess you better don a yamaka then, if salvation is of the jews and only the jews.

 

[Jim B]

Why would anyone eat pork?

Because it is one of the tastiest meats! Barbecued ribs are among the best foods one can possibly eat!

I can get five meals out of $5 worth of beans and it won't give me cancer, diabetes, arthritis, trichinosis, or atherosclerosis. That's probably why God said swine's flesh is an unclean abomination and wholly unfit for food. Obviously, you're a free moral agent and completely at liberty to indulge, but I'll pass.

The swine of biblical times were entirely different from the pigs that are raised for consumption thousands of years later. The swine were scavengers, existing and garbage and other waste. They were definitely "unclean", as were dogs and most wild animals.

 

[Jack]

I suppose it might be racist, but I am merely quoting from the statistics provided by well known church Pew Research. and from their research, the people who most oppose abortion are:

1. White
2. Evangelical
3. Republicans

You are making up your own beliefs Stan, not Biblical! So how many human babies have you eaten? Is that common in Canada?

 

[Jim B]

What God showed Peter, in a symbolic vision, was that he should not call any man (anthropos) unclean (see verse 28).

And I don't do me. That's pluralistic, postmodern junk philosophy. I'm a Christian. I assume you are, too.

As for dietary laws being Jewish, so were all the authors of Scripture, the apostles, the Savior, and even salvation, itself.

Joh 4:22 KJV Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Perhaps you prefer these verses: "He said to them, “So, are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “It is what comes out of a person that defiles."

This is a plain and simple declaration by Jesus Himself. That settles it, at least for me. BTW, the pork roast I had for dinner last night at my neighbor's was truly excellent.

 

[Naomanos]

BTW, the pork roast I had for dinner last night at my neighbor's was truly excellent.

The one my fiance made for us, my daughter and her mom was also truly excellent. Nice and tender and falling apart.

 

[BarneyFife]

I guess you better don a yamaka then, if salvation is of the jews and only the jews.

Christ must have meant something when He said that, no?

A tendency toward reactionary, all-or-nothing thinking can keep a person from proving all things and holding fast to that which is good.

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. I don't urge anyone to do as I do. Jesus is our example. I enjoy depending on His Spirit to walk even as He walked. I highly recommend it to others. It seems only reasonable, and the least I can do for what He's done for me.

It's going to take us an eternity to truly know Him, whom to know is life eternal. I've been married for nearly 40 years and I'm still learning things about my wife.

Did you ever wonder why Christ marveled that Nicodemus, a teacher in Israel, knew nothing about being born again?

Could it be that there has only ever been one way that God actually does the saving of people?

What of the "everlasting gospel" and the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?" Did Abraham actually see Christ's day with gladness? Did Noah find grace in the eyes of the Lord? What does it mean to be "under" "the law?" Why did God really make skins to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness? Does Christ mean physical nakedness in Revelation 3?

How is a person "saved?" Is being "saved" the paramount concern of Christ's followers? Do we take being "saved" for granted as Christians like people of sufficient means who have ready access to running water? Could it be that knowing Christ and what He feels and longs for is more (and much more glorious) than merely possessing the minimal qualifications to get through one of the pearly gates?

Or is there a yearning in the heart of Jesus for us to hunger and thirst for righteousness, drink deeply from the waters of salvation's well, and lay hold on an abundant entrance to the city of God?

Psa 126:1-6
1 When the LORD brought back Zion’s exiles, we were like dreamers. 2 Then our mouths were filled with laughter, and our tongues formed joyful shouts. Then it was said among the nations, “The LORD has done great things for them.” 3 The great things that the LORD has done for us gladden us. 4 Restore our exiles, LORD, like the streams of the Negev. 5 Those who weep while they plant will sing for joy while they harvest. 6 The one who goes out weeping, carrying a bag of seeds, will surely return with a joyful song, bearing sheaves from his harvest.

 

[BarneyFife]

The swine of biblical times were entirely different from the pigs that are raised for consumption thousands of years later. The swine were scavengers, existing and garbage and other waste. They were definitely "unclean", as were dogs and most wild animals.

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I haven't heard this one in a while. Doubtless, snakes and snails and puppy-dog tails are of a far better class today, as well?

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Perhaps you prefer these verses: "He said to them, “So, are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “It is what comes out of a person that defiles."

This is a plain and simple declaration by Jesus Himself. That settles it, at least for me.

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I'm not sure it is wise to compare principle (that of inward defilement) with policy (the practice of abstaining from ingesting unclean animals—which were so even in Noah's day).

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BTW, the pork roast I had for dinner last night at my neighbor's was truly excellent.

The one my fiance made for us, my daughter and her mom was also truly excellent. Nice and tender and falling apart.

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Mockery—very becoming to a follower of the lowly Jesus.

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[Naomanos]

Mockery—very becoming to a follower of the lowly Jesus.

My intent wasn't one of mockery. It was agreeing with the post that I quoted that I had some excellent pork roast as well.

 

[BarneyFife]

My intent wasn't one of mockery. It was agreeing with the post that I quoted that I had some excellent pork roast as well.

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I'm glad to hear that.
I apologize.
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[Naomanos]

Christ must have meant something when He said that, no?

A tendency toward reactionary, all-or-nothing thinking can keep a person from proving all things and holding fast to that which is good.

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. I don't urge anyone to do as I do. Jesus is our example. I enjoy depending on His Spirit to walk even as He walked. I highly recommend it to others. It seems only reasonable, and the least I can do for what He's done for me.

It's going to take us an eternity to truly know Him, whom to know is life eternal. I've been married for nearly 40 years and I'm still learning things about my wife.

Did you ever wonder why Christ marveled that Nicodemus, a teacher in Israel, knew nothing about being born again?

Could it be that there has only ever been one way that God actually does the saving of people?

What of the "everlasting gospel" and the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?" Did Abraham actually see Christ's day with gladness? Did Noah find grace in the eyes of the Lord? What does it mean to be "under" "the law?" Why did God really make skins to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness? Does Christ mean physical nakedness in Revelation 3?

How is a person "saved?" Is being "saved" the paramount concern of Christ's followers? Do we take being "saved" for granted as Christians like people of sufficient means who have ready access to running water? Could it be that knowing Christ and what He feels and longs for is more (and much more glorious) than merely possessing the minimal qualifications to get through one of the pearly gates?

Or is there a yearning in the heart of Jesus for us to hunger and thirst for righteousness, drink deeply from the waters of salvation's well, and lay hold on an abundant entrance to the city of God?

Psa 126:1-6
1 When the LORD brought back Zion’s exiles, we were like dreamers. 2 Then our mouths were filled with laughter, and our tongues formed joyful shouts. Then it was said among the nations, “The LORD has done great things for them.” 3 The great things that the LORD has done for us gladden us. 4 Restore our exiles, LORD, like the streams of the Negev. 5 Those who weep while they plant will sing for joy while they harvest. 6 The one who goes out weeping, carrying a bag of seeds, will surely return with a joyful song, bearing sheaves from his harvest.

That's all well and good. My interpretation of the food issue is that the dietary laws are in place for the Jewish people and not the Gentile believers. I am a Gentile believer. I am not Jewish.

Right now pork is one of the cheaper meats to buy. I don't eat alot of it and stick to mainly chicken. In order to spread out the meals some, I will add in pork maybe once a week. I am also a very picky eater. I do not eat fruits at all (it's a texture issue and some taste as well) and only some vegetables. Beans are disgusting to me. I say this to show why I also will throw in pork in my diet.

Plus, as I said above, I am not bound by Jewish dietary laws. You may think that we all are, those of us who call ourselves Christian, but we're not. That is my interpretation of scripture regarding diet.

 

[Naomanos]

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I'm glad to hear that.
I apologize.
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Apology accepted.

 

[BarneyFife]

Apology accepted.

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Very gracious of you
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