The Resurrection is for all people (thank you Yeshua!)

[stunnedbygrace]

Okay. I guess my "father instinct" guides me to engage with those I believe are on the right track with a hardness intended as loving correction.

Do I assume too much?

I don’t know if you assume too much. We’re talking about the useless conversation/way of life handed down to us by our parents. And we’re talking about the tactics of passive aggression and covert narcissism and hiding behind fig leaves. It’s a big ball of misery and…God Himself has to heal us from it and make us think differently. Until then, you can call it out but…expect word salads, gaslighting, plausible deniability and all the other parries that are wrapped up in it.

 

[MatthewG]

Okay, the only righteousness about myself is in Christ who makes a person right with God. I’ll just leave you be @CadyandZoe. My flesh fails all the time and the sin in me can come about sometimes but my only option is to die to it and allow the spirit to come through.

 

[MatthewG]

It’s incumbent upon Christians to actually love unconditionally… that doesn’t mean to talk smack about them, because in reality all of us are faulty.

God bless to you all. Unconditionally is such a strong word attached with Love it is even bigger.

I do my best to not accuse or aggervate anyone if I can. I do fail at that though so if you “feel” as though I did you wrong, my apologies, it is also incumbent for us to forgive.

Have a good day.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I wasn’t talking smack about you. Hey, we all were raised in the passive aggressive way. God brings us out of it. But to act like it’s not there doesn’t solve anything.

 

[MatthewG]

My friend I never even mentioned your name. The important part is to realize we all fail, you do, @CadyandZoe does, my mother does, my brother does, my sister does, my nieces and nephew does, and the only way to be made right with God is through faith in Jesus. It doesn’t say how we are made right with people. All people have their own understandings, thoughts, and approaches to life in how they live and conduct them. I do my best to not try to assume but I do and I fail at it so I’m not made right with God based on what I do in my life by my flesh, but simply by faith that is a gift, thank God Paul wrote this. (I am openly admitting that I fail all the time and the only solution is to seek out God, pray, and reading the Word of God)

Though human beings are difficult including myself, nothing can separate us from Gods love, (expect oneself - when they start to doubt does God really love me even though I make mistakes or when the sin comes back up in your heart, and you start to become weak in the faith, that is not Good). Or even when other people persecute you and try to Keep you down rather than life you up.


“for I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor messengers, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things about to be, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, that [is] in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:38-39‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And there’s the persecution thing again…

 

[MatthewG]

Oh people shouldn’t get so hard into their feelings… geez.


Our feelings sure they matter, but dang if you can not be honest with yourself you’ll never mature… just get over it an accept one’s flaws, I had to. Jesus was the one who showed me flaws.

 

[MatthewG]

““Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them.

“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?

But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.

For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:16-20‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[MatthewG]

“After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. “Are you so dull?” he asked.

“Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them?

For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.”

(In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.) He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them.

For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.

All these evils come from inside and defile a person.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:17-23‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well, we aren’t talking about feelings. We’re talking about passive aggression. It’s stuff like…the Bible says thus and thus, but you don’t have to believe the Bible I guess. It’s passive aggressive. What’s really being said is, if you don’t understand and interpret it as Shawn does, you don’t believe God.

 

[MatthewG]

Aren’t you now being passive aggressive yourself though? You’re a funny lady, love you either way, and hope that you have a good day. It’s suppose to be a chance of rain here, I might go visit my mother at her work, and need to also get the house cleaned today and May rearrange the furniture.

God bless you all, and May the grace of God and peace of God reign in your heart.

God is good and people should be encouraged to read their Bible on their own and go chapter by chapter and learn the contents and context that is my biggest push. I’m not really here to debate but to share if anything, at the end of the day what it is you believe it ultimately between you and God and remember our access to God is by and through Jesus Christ.

John 14:6-12

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Aren’t you now being passive aggressive yourself though? You’re a funny lady, love you either way, and hope that you have a good day. It’s suppose to be a chance of rain here, I might go visit my mother at her work, and need to also get the house cleaned today and May rearrange the furniture.

God bless you all, and May the grace of God and peace of God reign in your heart.

No, I’m not being passive aggressive. I’m speaking very openly and honestly about something I have seen, understood and learned. I’m doing it without anger or malice, even though you see me as attacking and persecuting you.

 

[MatthewG]

Okay what else would you like to say to me personally if you would like to get all of your problems out that you address see and watch me do? @stunnedbygrace i like you being open and honest but I don’t believe: I go around condemning people just because they have a different view as not saved or not fit for the kingdom of God, hope you haven’t seen that because that would be a problem.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Okay what else would you like to say to me personally if you would like to get all of your problems that you address see and watch me do?

I would like to say to you personally that after you clean and rearrange your furniture, can you come here and clean…?

 

[WalkInLight]

It’s incumbent upon Christians to actually love unconditionally… that doesn’t mean to talk smack about them, because in reality all of us are faulty.

God bless to you all. Unconditionally is such a strong word attached with Love it is even bigger.

I do my best to not accuse or aggervate anyone if I can. I do fail at that though so if you “feel” as though I did you wrong, my apologies, it is also incumbent for us to forgive.

Have a good day.

I have heard this idea before, "It’s incumbent upon Christians to actually love unconditionally"

No one and nothing loves unconditionally. People use this phrase as if love can never say enough.
God warns of the lake of fire because He has set some real conditions without which we will all be destroyed.

Love with forgiveness and grace is provided conditioned on repentance and following Jesus, becoming part of the vine, abiding in Gods presence and being in the light with everyone around.

Co-dependent people often demand unconditional acceptance from everyone, when no-one deserves this.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Here it is, in a nutshell.
We are raised and taught to not see and talk about the unhealthy patterns around us and in us and our families. We’re taught to keep it all hidden. We’re taught passive aggressiveness so we can then have plausible deniability that we attacked someone. (My own mother used to say when I was young, oh you need to learn to “get” people in such a way that they’re confused as to whether you “got” them.) It’s such a tangled mess and so much of it is below the veil of consciousness. It keeps us unhealed of our emotional and mental wounds.

 

[WalkInLight]

Here it is, in a nutshell.
We are raised and taught to not see and talk about the unhealthy patterns around us and in us and our families. We’re taught to keep it all hidden. We’re taught passive aggressiveness so we can then have plausible deniability that we attacked someone. (My own mother used to say when I was young, oh you need to learn to “get” people in such a way that they’re confused as to whether you “got” them.) It’s such a tangled mess and so much of it is below the veil of consciousness. It keeps us unhealed of our emotional and mental wounds.

"It keeps us unhealed of our emotional and mental wounds."

A line of emotional thought struck me the other day. If I am complete in Jesus I have no need of approval of others or their attention or their praise or condemnation. The wounds I have felt in the past are because I valued myself in the eyes of others and needed confirmation. As a child of God, loved by the creator of the Universe, I have the only approval that ultimately matters, as I have have nothing to prove or to do to have security.

The world lives as happy yet being sad, social yet having no friends, open but making sure only the few select get access....
Hurt people will always compensate by hurting others, which is ironic, but in a dog eat dog world what else is there.
When reflecting on having friends round to their house, an elderly lady compared the group to a collection of cockroaches feeling out others weaknesses and getting the knife in when the opportunity showed itself. What a sad summary of a heart not filled with Jesus and His forgiveness that overflows and covers a multitude of sins.

God bless you

 

[MatthewG]

I have heard this idea before, "It’s incumbent upon Christians to actually love unconditionally"

No one and nothing loves unconditionally. People use this phrase as if love can never say enough.
God warns of the lake of fire because He has set some real conditions without which we will all be destroyed.

Love with forgiveness and grace is provided conditioned on repentance and following Jesus, becoming part of the vine, abiding in Gods presence and being in the light with everyone around.

Co-dependent people often demand unconditional acceptance from everyone, when no-one deserves this.

What do you think about Gods unconditional love for humanity to send his Son to die for the ungodly?

It is true that love is defined biblically in 1 Corinthians 13.

Some people have a problem when things are said like this “those who will seek out for truth will” as an attack and to their own character and are offended so because of this they will become defensive in their own right.

Simply expressing a truth that individually based on a persons choice to seek for truth or not is totally incumbent on themselves and they deemed the person say such as an person who is passive aggressive, and if this is the case I personally believe that someone wanting to learn about Jesus and the things he said are going to be ten times just as offensive, to their own heart.

 

[MatthewG]

Here it is, in a nutshell.
We are raised and taught to not see and talk about the unhealthy patterns around us and in us and our families. We’re taught to keep it all hidden. We’re taught passive aggressiveness so we can then have plausible deniability that we attacked someone. (My own mother used to say when I was young, oh you need to learn to “get” people in such a way that they’re confused as to whether you “got” them.) It’s such a tangled mess and so much of it is below the veil of consciousness. It keeps us unhealed of our emotional and mental wounds.

There are things people say to me I see, that are offensive to me such as a person calling me “self-righteous” when they are trying to attack me. People that do this are trying to get a rile out of someone. I do not see myself as better than anyone here but if they are looking at me and trying to read my words as though I am they are making false assumptions. Because I do not see myself better than anyone, my purpose isn’t to condemn people or to say they are stupid.

My purpose to encourage people to think for themselves and go against what they have traditionally been taught, regardless from my own faith I’m complete in Christ and have peace with God because of his righteousness and my flesh fails and it will never be perfect, and I do the same things others do but try to catch myself before I act on the sin on my heart and go by the spirit instead.

My past and troubles are still there to look at, just as ,the troubled past of the prophets of old, the troubles Jesus went through and endure, even those of the early first church in that day in age. All of us have problems and struggles the point is will we allow that to effect us and trouble us or learn from it let it go and continue to move forward in Jesus or sit there in one’s (not you ;generally speaking) own pity.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

People that do this are trying to get a rile out of someone.

It is always satans tactic to rile up our flesh with the flesh of someone else, so you’ve hit the nail on the head there! Reminds me of a quote by some old saint - you don’t realize what a burden your reputation was until you no longer have a reputation to protect.