The Popular False Justification and False Sanctification View Today.

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus went to hades to preach to the prisoners.

Hades is where the rich man went, the begger went to paradise.

Jesus told the thief on the cross. Today you will be with me in paradise. Sorry my friend. Believers do not go to Hades, that is the resting place for the lost. and as revelations says, Hades will deliver its people to christ for judgment, and they will be cause into hell.

The believer will be resurrected by Christ personally.

Jesus was dead while in hades G, he did not preach or do anything until God resurrected him. Everybody to date goes to hades upon death, including believers like the case of Jesus revealed. Did you know that the Rich man and Lazarus is a parable? Would you like to discuss the meaning?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You should care if you are a truth seeker of what the Bible says. For it is at the heart of refuting the Protestant belief that says that no born again believer can fall away, lose his salvation, and they will always bear fruit and do righteousness the rest of their life.

The question is not whether the born again person will always bear fruit and do righteousness the rest of their life. For John makes it crystal clear that they will. The question is will the born again person remain born again to do that.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus was dead while in hades G, he did not preach or do anything until God resurrected him. Everybody to date goes to hades upon death, including believers like the case of Jesus revealed. Did you know that the Rich man and Lazarus is a parable? Would you like to discuss the meaning?

oh boy,

You need to study my friend.. Everyone does not go to hades. Not sure where you got your info from. but its wrong

Once again. Jesus told the thief on the cross. Today you will be in paradise with me

Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord (for believers)

 

[Bible Highlighter]

In reality I am a sinner, for no one is without sin. But in the eyes of God, by faith in His Son, I am righteous, sinless, and perfect in Christ! Salvation is a free gift to one who believes even though he doesn't deserve it.

George Sodini who murdered a bunch of people and who took his own life said a similar thing in his suicide letter.

O.S.A.S. – THE WATCHMAN'S CRY

RICK KNAPP George Sodini MURDERS Eternal Security

But you can't understand that! You have to go about earning, thereby making void the free gift.

It’s not about earning, it’s about obeying God after your past slate of sin is clean by God’s grace. It’s about being responsible with the gift of life God gave you. For if you received a free car as a gift, that does not give you diplomatic immunity to hit pedestrians, drive drunk, run red lights, etcetera.

Galatians 6:7-8
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”

In other words, if you sow to the Spirit you will reap life everlasting. But if you sow to the flesh (sin) you shall reap corruption (Not eternal life).

I hope, BH, you are not of the sort that believes he has no sin, you have, or will become perfect in this life.

Why do Protestants talk about Sinless Perfection as being a salvation issue for us when not all us believe Sinless Perfection is a salvation issue?
Do you not know that there are sins not unto death? (1 John 5:16) (Matthew 5:22 AMP).

Christians make mistakes, it's called sin in the eyes of God,

See, that’s the problem. You regulate sin to being like dropping a glass of milk or accidentally hitting somebody in your blind spot who moved into the lane when you were not expecting it. Sin is more than just us making a mistake. It is horrible in the sight of God and it grieves Him greatly. God is angry at the wicked every day (Psalms 7:11). Take for example rebellion. It’s as the sin of witchcraft.

1 Samuel 15:23
“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.”

Your Protestant belief is rebellion because the Bible teaches that they that are Christ’s have crucified the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24). Your Protestant belief is rebellion because you don’t believe 1 Peter 4:1-2 that says, “Therefore, since Christ suffered [a]for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.” (NKJV). You don’t believe Paul when he said, “let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” For one. You don’t fear God. Two, you don’t believe in cleansing yourself from ALL filthiness of the flesh and spirit. Three, you don’t believe in perfecting holiness. Four, you don’t believe that you are to cleanse yourself from filthiness of the spirit because you believe all your sins are paid on a spiritual level by a belief alone in Jesus. So you don’t believe 2 Corinthians 7:1.

Your Protestant belief is as the sin of witchcraft. I should not be surprised. Many Protestants I have talked with don’t have a problem watching the sin of witchcraft for entertainment on their television. They love Lord of the rings. They love Harry Potter. They love Chronicles of Narnia. Witchcraft. They love it in their fantasy world. But God had men put to death in the Old Testament for indulging in witchcraft. See, you don’t understand that our culture has been desensitized to sin (Including most of Christianity - Protestantism, and Catholicism).

Believers are said to be kings (Revelation 1:6). But most believers today reject the word of the Lord even thought they say that the Bible is their authority. So 1 Samuel 15:23 is a judgment today against many Christians today. They are in rebellion against God and they don’t even know it. Protestants are protesting alright. They are protesting against many (not all) of God’s Holy words.

That’s what scary, and many will not know it come Judgment day.

but forgiven when we confess. That is not a license to sin, it's the reality of fallen man even though he is saved.

John 9:31 (NKJV)
“Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him.”

Psalms 66:18
“If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:”

Meaning, if you are stating that you must sin again, you are regarding iniquity in your heart, and the Lord will not hear your prayer of confession of your sin. That would be like saying you are sorry to your wife for cheating on her, and yet you plan to go out and cheat on her that very day or you believe you cannot overcome such a sin in this life and you believe you will cheat on her again because you cannot help it. Such a confession of saying your sorry to your wife would be meaningless. One who is truly sorry about something will make every effort to not do the wrong again to make good on their apology. So right now. Confession to the LORD is useless if you declare you will sin again at some point.

One who see's Grace by faith as a license to sin is far from that Grace.

And this is exactly what you believe. You say you will remain a sinner saved by God’s grace. Meaning, you don’t really plan to change and you have a future mindset to sin against God because of a false interpretation on 1 John 1:8.

 

[Robert Gwin]

There will be millions saved during the great tribulation. The scripture describes them as " their robes washed in the Blood of the Lamb." Rev. 7:14, Rev.22:14.

Look closely what John tells us to do to keep the Commandments. How that He condenses the "Commandments" to the singular "Commandment."

1John 3:22-23

"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment."

We keep "His Commandments" by believing in Christ and loving one another. Christ has done the doing for us on the Cross.

James told us if fail in one of the Laws, we are guilty of all the Law, that is also true with the commandments of Christ. You cannot depend on self to keep anything, you will fail and when you fail just one time you are condemned.

We are covered by the Blood of the Lamb if we live this life in faith and deny our abilities to keep the commandments. This is the way the Holy Spirit will carry out sanctification in our lives, if we live our lives depending on Him and not ourselves. He will slowly but surely bring about the Christlikeness in us by our faith.

If it's not 100% faith in Christ, the Holy Spirit cannot work, then we are left on our own and of course that means failure.

I hope you are not thinking that we have just that one commandment because of the way the translator of that version rendered the passage Charlie. Christians have many rules and regulations to follow. No doubt those Jesus spoke about in Mat 7:21-23 believed greatly in him sir, but no salvation for them. Why? Because they did not choose to observe Jehovah's laws for Christians, they truly did not love God 1 Jn 5:3

 

[Robert Gwin]

I don't think you're understanding the argument. The works that believers work are not what makes them a born again/saved person. There is no amount of righteous works and service to God that can do that. That can ONLY happen by having your sins forgiven. Works play no role whatsoever in becoming a born again/saved person. None whatsoever. Works are simply the evidence - evidence that God will use at the judgement - that you are already born again/saved by faith in God's forgiveness.

So it does matter. If you are relying on your righteous performance to qualify you to be saved you are living in the works gospel that Paul says will condemn you, not save you. Works are only the evidence that you are born again/saved. Not the way you become born again/saved.

Again, every single born again Christian is outstanding in their faith and their works for God sir, otherwise He would never have selected them to be placed over mankind as rulers in the Kingdom. Would you vote for a politician that believed in the country but never did anything about it? I think not, and I don't think God would select one either. Surely you are familiar with what He said about those who refuse to work, He said neither let him eat. Laziness is not a quality of Christian Ferris.

But you are correct no amount of works can save you, and as I have stated in the past no amount of faith can either even discussing how everyone believes they are righteous. One of the worse people I know believes he is righteous, heck I almost choke when he praises himself. So these unrighteous ones that think they are righteous will find out they were not so righteous after all.

Face facts anyway Ferris, are you not here every day practically witnessing for your faith same as I? Why are you performing works sir? Because you know in your heart it is the right thing to do. All Christians have accepted the assignment of teaching others to observe all the things Jesus has commanded sir, that was not a request, rather a commandment. It is not an option, you either become a disciple and do it, or you are not really a disciple of Christ, simple truth Ferris. Mat 28:19,20. And of course that assignment is not concluded as of yet Mat 24:14

 

[Ferris Bueller]

A person can be initially saved one way, and at another point in time, a person can be saved a different way. That does not mean there is a contradiction. Time is what is tripping you up. You want there to be one set mold or way for salvation that is overly simplistic.

"3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?" Galatians 3:3-4
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Well, BH, after starting in the Spirit does God lavish the Spirit on you because you are obedient to the law or because you hear and believe?

Not knocking obedience to the law (what remains of the law to be literally obeyed). I'm knocking the assertion that your obedient work is what solicits the ongoing life of the Spirit in life and salvation, God being made a debtor to you for the righteous work you perform.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

But you are correct no amount of works can save you, and as I have stated in the past no amount of faith can either even discussing how everyone believes they are righteous.

Faith is the ONLY thing that makes a person a born again child of God. The ONLY thing. And, of course, this means genuine faith, not the fake faith of fake believers.

 

[mailmandan]

I don't deserve the salvation I was given. God should take my life and confine me in Hell, and I would deserve it!

I have nothing to hope in, but the promises of God that He will have mercy on me if trust in Him and follow after Him.

I'm not like you, BH, I don't claim my works to fall back on, I claim guilty as charged and throw myself at the mercy of God.

Luke 18:13 - And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

 

[Charlie24]

I hope you are not thinking that we have just that one commandment because of the way the translator of that version rendered the passage Charlie. Christians have many rules and regulations to follow. No doubt those Jesus spoke about in Mat 7:21-23 believed greatly in him sir, but no salvation for them. Why? Because they did not choose to observe Jehovah's laws for Christians, they truly did not love God 1 Jn 5:3

That's exactly what I'm saying, I have only one commandment for salvation, to believe.

I surrendered my life to Christ, not a set of rules.

I can't keep all those rules perfectly as demanded, and neither can you!

I do what I know is right according to the Word of God and depend on the Holy Spirit to guide me through this life.

If you live by rules and regulations, depending on yourself in keeping them all, you are lying to yourself. You will be condemned when you fail. There will be no Grace, you have chosen to live by law.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

In reality I am a sinner, for no one is without sin. But in the eyes of God, by faith in His Son, I am righteous, sinless, and perfect in Christ!

No. The Bible does not teach such a thing. No verse or passage teaches such a thing. This an entirely made up Protestant belief that justifies darkness and evil. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived (1 Corinthians 6:9). Titus 2:11-12 says God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world. Jude 1:4 talks about those who turn God’s grace into a license for immorality.

Salvation is a free gift to one who believes even though he doesn't deserve it. But you can't understand that! You have to go about earning, thereby making void the free gift.

When you read a passage like Romans 4:2-5, you also have to read the other passage in Romans 6 (in the following two chapters) that says,

“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” (Romans 6:15-18).

Note: Paul is saying he is not under the Law of Moses. He says shall we sin because we are under grace? Paul says, God forbid. Then Paul says do you not know that to whom you all yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you-all are to whom you obey. Paul then says we became servants of righteousness being made free from sin.

Paul says a similar thing in Romans 6:1-2. He says, “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?”

Paul is saying shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? According to you: This would be a “yes” because you said you will remain a sinner saved by God’s grace. But Paul says God forbid. Paul asks the question how can we who are dead to sin live any longer in it? Meaning, Paul does not want you to declare you will remain a sinner saved by God’s grace.

So when Paul says in Romans 4:3-4, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt” he is referring to how Abraham’s prior belief in God made him righteous before he was circumcised (did a work - Romans 4:9-12). The idea here is that it is pointing to how a person first needs to be saved initially by God’s grace through a belief in the Savior Jesus Christ without works to begin with. Paul said this because of the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism that was invading the church (Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Galatians 5:2, Galatians 2:3, Romans 3:1, Romans 4:9-12). For if you believed that you had to first be circumcised to be initially saved (instead of being saved initially by God’s grace through faith), you would be making a work or the Law the entrance gate and foundation of your salvation. So in this case you would be working to satisfy a debt vs. working as a part of receiving grace. Paul says you can deny God by being reprobate unto every good work in Titus 1:16. Paul says if you don’t provide for your own (a holy action), you are worse than an infidel (unbeliever), and you have denied the faith (1 Timothy 5:8). So you can draw back and deny the faith by not performing the correct holy action in your life as a believer. Of course, we can confess and forsake our sins. There is grace, but it is conditional and it’s not unconditional. If grace was unconditional, then are New Testament would be pretty small and it would have no instructions for us to live for God but only to believe in Jesus as we remain as sinners.

I hope, BH, you are not of the sort that believes he has no sin, you have, or will become perfect in this life.

You believe in Sinless Perfection for salvation. I don’t. You believe that every sin condemns and that a person would have to live sinless perfect in every way in order to be saved. Seeing you reason that such a thing is not possible to live sinlessly perfect, then you agree with the false Protestant belief that justifies sin on some level.

I don’t believe all sin leads to death (1 John 5:16) or leads to hellfire (Matthew 5:22 AMP).

Christians make mistakes,

They can, but it is not in the way that you think it is because 1 John 1:8 is not a banner flag to justify you doing future sin on some level or to remain as a sinner saved by God’s grace (Which is turning God’s grace into a license for immorality - Jude 1:4).

it's called sin in the eyes of God, but forgiven when we confess. That is not a license to sin, it's the reality of fallen man even though he is saved.

Paying of lip service that your sorry does not really mean anything unless you truly change or you make an active effort to change your ways. If you believe you will just sin again the same kind of sin because you cannot help it because you are a sinner, then that does not mean you truly are sorry. It would be like a person who keeps beating you saying they are sorry while they do it. Are they really sorry? No.

One who see's Grace by faith as a license to sin is far from that Grace.

Which is exactly what your belief says because you said you will remain a sinner saved by God’s grace.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

"3Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? 5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?" Galatians 3:3-4
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Well, BH, after starting in the Spirit does God lavish the Spirit on you because you are obedient to the law or because you hear and believe?

First, this would be Galatians 3:3-5, and not Galatians 3:3-4.

Second, lets look at Galatians 3:3-5.

“Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?” (Galatians 3:3-5).

So which works of the Law is Paul referring to here?

Well, if you skip back a chapter, and we learn that Paul says this:

“But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised: And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:” (Galatians 2:3-4).

So the issue and problem was one dealing with being compelled to be circumcised.

Circumcision is a part of the 613 Laws of Moses (i.e. the Old Law), and it is not a command given to us by Jesus Christ and His followers.

This issue or problem was talked about more in detail at the Jerusalem council in Acts 15 (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). This was the false belief that was invading the church that said you had to be first circumcised to be initially saved. Also, Paul said if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing in Galatians 5:2.

So Paul is talking about those who are falsely going back to the Old law to be saved when the Old law is no more (Romans 6:14) (Romans 7:6) (Romans 8:2) (Hebrews 7:12) (Acts of the Apostles 13:39).

Not knocking obedience to the law (what remains of the law to be literally obeyed).

You should because whoever is justified by the Law, they have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). Christians are not under the Old Law (Romans 6:14). Paul said he was not without the laws of God but he was under the Law(s) to Christ (See 1 Corinthians 9:21). The Law of Christ is not the same as the Laws of Moses. They are two different sets of laws. They are not the same, and Paul is not condemning the Laws of Christ.

I'm knocking the assertion that your obedient work is what solicits the ongoing life of the Spirit in life and salvation, God being made a debtor to you for the righteous work you perform.

You no doubt falsely think this way by a misinterpretation of Romans 4:3-4 that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.”

You have to keep in mind that Paul said in the previous chapter, “What profit is there in circumcision?” (Romans 3:1). This points us back to Acts of the Apostles 15 addressing the heresy of those who thought they had to be circumcised first to be initially saved (Instead of being initially saved by God’s grace through faith in the Savior without works in the 1st aspect of salvation). So if you believed you had to be circumcised to be initially saved, you would believe in “Works ALONE Salvationism” and there would be no grace whatsoever and you be saved by a system of works (Which be working out of debt and not working done out of grace). Paul is taking about our Initial Salvation because Paul places the order of Abraham believing in God (to be accounted righteous) happening before he was circumcised (a work) in Romans 4:9-12. But Christians are not under the Old Law and neither do they have to be circumcised like Abraham had to be circumcised. Paul was bringing up the point that we first need to believe God by faith before we can do any kind of work of faith. Paul is not making a case for Perpetual Belief Alone Salvationism here. If that was the case, he would not have said… shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? God forbid (See: Romans 6:1-2).

Paul is not referring to the Sanctification of the Spirit (Whereby God has chosen us to salvation for) (See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and Romans 8:13). Paul is only concerned with getting our Initial Salvation correct in being saved by God’s grace without works (Which is the 1st aspect of salvation) because of the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism that had invaded the church. This has to be the interpretative viewpoint (Which fits the context) because Paul says a person can deny God by being reprobate unto every good work (Titus 1:16). Paul also says if you don’t provide for your own (Which is a holy action), you are worse than an infidel (unbeliever), and you would in effect have denied the faith by doing so (1 Timothy 5:8). So obviously Paul did not have Sanctification of the Spirit in mind in Romans 4:2-5. If that was the case, then why didn’t Paul also say that the works in our Sanctification by the Spirit do not also justify us before God? That’s why your belief here is not consistent or correct with the whole counsel of God’s Word.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The question is not whether the born again person will always bear fruit and do righteousness the rest of their life. For John makes it crystal clear that they will. The question is will the born again person remain born again to do that.

I agree that a born again believer will be fruitful, but if they fall away from the faith by justifying false doctrines or by justifying sin, they are no longer born again spiritually (Because they would have in effect died spiritually). The parable of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32), and James 5:19-21 makes it clear believers can fall away and even come back to the re-saving of their souls.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Luke 18:13 - And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

In Luke 18:9-14: There is no indication that the Tax Collector said this in his Initial Salvation or in His Continued walk with God. However, it is true that Christians do have access to God’s grace in confessing their sins to Jesus to be forgiven of their sins (i.e. to maintain their salvation) (See: 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1). But this is not with the type of thinking of one believing they will remain as a sinner saved by God’s grace their whole life (Because it runs contrary to verses like Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Corinthians 7:1, and Hebrews 12:14). The apostle John also tells the brethren to “sin not.” (1 John 2:1). Jesus says to “sin no more” to two people (John 5:14) (John 8:11).

In the parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee, it appears that the problem is that the Pharisee was most likely not confessing of sins to the Lord in his own life (Thereby humbling himself before the Lord). The Pharisee did not pray or love what he believed was his enemy (who was a sinner). The Pharisee did not try and help the Tax Collector’s situation by praying for him to stop sinning or by trying to guide him into paths of righteousness by the good ways of the Lord (According to His Word). He just wanted to be better then the Tax Collector without thinking about really helping him. This is not a case for how we will always remain as sinners saved by God’s grace. The parable makes no mention of this kind of thing. In fact, we know that is not the case because of verses like John 5:14, John 8:11, 1 John 2:1, 2 Corinthians 7:1, Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, etcetera.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If we walk in the light we show that we are born again.
What's so hard to understand about that?

Because you are distorting 1 John 1:7 to say something that it does not specifically say and it goes against the wording that it uses.

Again, 1 John 1:7 uses the words “if” and “we” in relation to walking in the light whereby the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
If 1 John 1:7 was worded as you say, it would not include the words if or we.

For example: Rick could say to Bob,

“if we both show up at the construction site tomorrow by 9:00am, you can then start the job — staring tomorrow.”​

The condition includes both Rick and Bob both showing up at the construction site in order for Bob to start the job at 9:00am tomorrow. The word if sets a condition. The word we includes both Rick and Bob for the condition to be met.

Now, if it was a guarantee that Rick and Bob were going to show up at the construction site tomorrow by 9:00am as a 100% hardcore fact, then it would read like this:

Rick could say to Bob,

“I seen the future Bob. It’s a fact. We will both show up tomorrow at the construction site tomorrow by 9:00am. Nothing will stop this from happening even if you wanted to stop such a thing from happening.”​

So if your interpretation on 1 John 1:7 was true, it would NOT include the words “if” and “we.”
It would be worded in such a way that would support your viewpoint that the born again cannot fall away and they could not fail to walk in the light in order for the blood of Jesus to cleanse them from all sin.

In your view on 1 John 1:7, it should say:

“The born again can never fall away and they will always walk in the light whereby the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (False Protestant Influenced Translation).

1 John 1:7 does not say these above words. Only you are saying that.

It's a condition to know if the person is born again. That is the point he is addressing. Born again people walk in the light. People who are not born again do not. Discerning true believers from fake ones is the context of the passage. He is warning them about fake believers. It's not a passage about how to be saved after you are saved.

Again, John uses the word IF in reference to his conversation to believers here. The word IF suggests that there may be a possibility that they may not continue to walk in the light. IF we walk in the light. If I open the door, I will find out what is on the other side. But will I open the door? That is the question. If sets a condition of possibility. That’s what the word IF does. Unless you want to tear out the word IF out of 1 John 1:7, you cannot in good conscience say that IF is not suggesting a possibility. IF before a sentence suggests a possibility and not a guarantee. Any person who is versed in basic English should know this.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

Personally, I wouldn’t be caught dead with owning a liberal’s book. To me: Liberalism is an attack on believing the Bible.

You're gonna love this. I told my Uncle that I enjoyed Barclay's commentary on Romans ( that he had sent me). I guess he thought that meant I needed more. Yesterday this arrived in the mail!

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• LearningToLetGo
• Jul 12, 2022

Barclay's NT Commentary

Ugh! ;-D It is possible to be too generous...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And so when I do righteous work I reap everlasting life because I have made God indebted to me to give me eternal life. That's what you're saying.

So you hold to a false interpretation on Romans 4:2-5 just to deny another passage like Galatians 6:7-8?

That makes no sense.

Anyways, lets read Galatians 6:7-9.

Keep in mind that this passage is written to believers and not unbelievers.

Galatians 6:7-9 says:
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”

Take aways from this passage:

#1. Be not deceived, whatever a man sows he shall reap (Note: There is no qualifier on the type of person here. The passage does not say that the believer is exempt in sowing to the flesh (sin) whereby they can still reap life everlasting - which is what most of Christianity falsely teaches).

#2. He (the person) who sows to the flesh (sin) shall of the flesh reap corruption (not everlasting life).

#3. He (the person) who sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting (salvation).

#4. Let us not be wearing in well doing (Which is in reference to sowing to the Spirit) for in due season we shall reap if we faint not. Reap what? Life everlasting.​

This suggests that even the born again believer can backslide and fall away from the faith (die spiritually), and start to sow to the flesh and not to the Spirit. If they do so… they are on the path to reaping corruption (not everlasting life). Granted, believers can come back to the faith to the saving of their soul again as long as they have not rejected Jesus as their Savior.

 

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You're gonna love this. I told my Uncle that I enjoyed Barclay's commentary on Romans ( that he had sent me). I guess he thought that meant I needed more. Yesterday this arrived in the mail!

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• LearningToLetGo
• Jul 12, 2022

Barclay's NT Commentary

Ugh! ;-D It is possible to be too generous...

I would encourage you to simply rely on the Holy Spirit to guide you by asking the Lord to send the Spirit to you to help your understanding on God’s Word, and by comparing Scripture with Scripture instead. While commentaries or writings by other believers can be helpful at times, they can also be exceptionally misleading many times, too. Many times we have to unlearn what others are trying to say on what a particular Scripture says. Many attempt to speak against what the Bible actually says. For today: Most Christian’s understanding on Galatians 6:7-9 is a perfect example of how they don’t accept or understand the plain meaning of what it says. Protestantism has forced them to employ eisegesis instead of exegesis.

 

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Amen and well said once again! 1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of children of the devil. Walking in the light is descriptive of children of God. Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:8 - for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light. Children of the devil walk in darkness, not in the light. Children of God (those who are born again) walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other. We show our position by our walk.

In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11, we read - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother. *Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is associated with children of the devil.

It’s because a believer can either fall away from the faith by later hating their brother and or they never were saved to begin with.

This has to be the interpretive viewpoint because the words IF and WE are mentioned in 1 John 1:9, and 1 John 1:7. The word “we” includes John in the conditional verses of 1 John 1:7, and 1 John 1:9. They are conditional because the word “if” is in both 1 John 1:7, and 1 John 1:9.

If Rick stops by at Bob’s house tomorrow morning, he will fix his bike.
If is the condition.

 

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I would encourage you to simply rely on the Holy Spirit to guide you by asking the Lord to send the Spirit to you to help your understanding on God’s Word, and by comparing Scripture with Scripture instead.

Good advice. I also find robust debate informative. For example, many of the threads here are excellent sources of knowledge.