The Popular False Justification and False Sanctification View Today.

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I did not say that. So there's nothing for me to defend.

Then what was your point about how we need works when He returns?

 

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Then you need works of faith as a part of salvation to enter the Kingdom.

But not to make you righteous, but because you are righteous already, by faith, apart from your works. Your works being the necessary evidence of that faith.

 

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Then you need works of faith as a part of salvation to enter the Kingdom.

But not to make you righteous, but because you are already righteous, by faith, apart from your works. Your works being the necessary evidence of having already been born again/saved by that faith.

 

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Your continuing faith IS your initial faith that hasn't ceased. Stop drawing a line between the two where none exists. Either you are a believing person or you are not.

There is a difference between…

#1. The Initial Salvation by God’s grace by faith vs.
#2. The Continued Faith in continuing to stand upon the gospel and in entering the Sanctification of the Spirit of God to live a holy life.

Both stages require faith but both types of faith are not exactly the same. This is where Protestants get tripped up. They think Sanctificaiton is not a part of the faith in regards to salvation to enter the Kingdom. They think faith is a belief alone in Jesus as the Savior or believing in the finished work of the cross for salvation (Note: The Protestant saying, “You are saved by believing in the finished work of the cross” is not even one found in the Bible. One needs to also believe in Christ’s burial, and resurrection as a part of the gospel according to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; There are also other doctrines one must believe in as a part of salvation (like believing in the future bodily resurrection - See: 2 Timothy 2:18, 1 Corinthians 15:12-19), and believers must also enter the Sanctification Process of the Spirit as a part of salvation (See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Romans 8:13).

Faith is dead (having no works) the very moment you have that faith and are justified/saved. Don't you realize this???? You're not paying attention. The works attached to the faith that saves does not make you born again/saved. Every born again person is saved. Every born again/saved person became born again/saved by faith, all by itself, apart from the performance of righteous work. Do you believe this?

Protestants tend to oversimplify salvation beyond the way the Bible describes it. This is why you have to rightly divide to be able recognize that the Bible teaches two different aspects of salvation.

One aspect of salvation in time by faith does not have the same requirements as another aspect of salvation by faith.

For example: Babies who die in the womb are not even saved by faith. Yet, faith is required for the person who has the ability to exercise faith, though. Faith is the vehicle for the rest of us to access God’s saving grace. So babies who die are saved solely by God’s grace (even without faith). Men who die on their deathbed accepting Jesus as their Savior are saved by God’s grace without works and without entering the Sanctification Process by the Spirit to live a holy life. So there is not a one size fits all salvation package for all. Maybe babies who die, and or men saved by God’s grace on their deathbed will be tested in the Millennium to live holy or righteous (Particularly at the end of the Millennium with the temptation by Satan). But we really don’t know that for sure. The point here is that the Bible does in fact teach both God’s grace, and Sanctification as a part of salvation. It’s not really even up for debate because the Bible makes this fact 100% clear. For Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him (Hebrews 5:9).

According to my current knowledge of God’s Word: God revealed to me that there are 3 verses that teach that we are saved by both God’s grace through faith, and Sanctification (Note: The red letters are in reference to Sanctification, and the letters in blue, are in reference to being saved by God’s grace through faith.).

Verse #1.

"...God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" (2 Thessalonians 2:13).​

(Note: Verse 12, says that there are those who are damned who believed not the truth and had pleasure in unrighteousness. Verses 16-17 in 2 Thessalonians 2 mentions faith and works in context, as well). (Note 2: Verse 14 says that this sanctification of the Spirit is a call of the gospel. But I believe the “belief of the truth” can refer to doctrines we must hold to like believing the Trinity, but it can refer to believing the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (as a part of being saved by God’s grace without works in our Initial Salvation; But we continue to believe in the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 our entire lives).

Verse #2.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24).​

(Note on John 5:24: The EXB Translation explains that the word "hear" is to: "obey."; Meaning, we have to believe in Jesus and obey Him to not perish. Acts of the Apostles 3:23 confirms this. It says that if anyone does not hear that prophet (JESUS), they shall be destroyed).

Verse #3.

"You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
(James 2:24).​

I don’t believe James is in disagreement with Paul on Romans 4:2 that teaches that we are not justified by works in our Initial Salvation by faith alone. So when James refers to faith only, he is referring to how you are justified by faith alone (as Paul teaches), but it will not remain that way because works of faith FOLLOW one being justified by faith alone in their Initial Salvation. In James 2: The context is dealing with salvation. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17). Can a dead faith save anyone? Faith is not separated from the work of faith (1 Thessalonians 1:3) (2 Thessalonians 1:11). For James says that he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18), and James also says that works makes one’s faith perfect (James 2:22). Faith is how we access God’s saving grace (Ephesians 2:8). Even the previous chapter in James shows that James is talking about salvation (See: James 1:12, and James 1:21). Of course Protestants contradict themselves on this point. They say a true genuine faith will always produce good works and if not then they are showing they have not been saved (past tense). But if works of faith are required to show a true saving faith, then works are required as a part of our salvation. For if you cannot be saved by faith alone by a continued faith over the course of your whole life (being barren and fruitless), then you do need works as a part of the salvation equation. Even if the works were not salvific in and of themselves alone, the fact that they are needed to show a true saving faith shows that works is a necessary component as a part of our salvation. The only way works would not be for salvation at all in a continued faith is if you believe no works are needed to show a faith that is true or genuine. Anyways, works of faith are a part of the faith. But Protestants attempt to falsely separate them from faith to fit their Protestant sayings.

 

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But not to make you righteous, but because you are righteous already, by faith, apart from your works. Your works being the necessary evidence of that faith.

No. 1 John 3:7 says he that does righteousness is righteous (Note: This would be in our Sanctification AFTER we are saved by God’s grace in our Initial Salvation).

Acts of the Apostles 10:35 says: “But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”

In Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul is referring to our Initial Salvation in being saved by God’s grace and mercy without works. Paul is saying this because of the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism that had invaded the church. Paul is not referring to works of faith in Ephesians 2:9 because we are first saved by God’s grace without works. Paul is trying to refute Works ALONE Salvationism by circumcision in our Initial Salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9. In Ephesians 2:10, Paul saying we need to have works LATER (i.e. works of faith which works by love). In fact, Paul says you can deny God by being reprobate unto every good work in Titus 1:16. Paul says in 1 Timothy 5:8, “if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”. An infidel is an unbeliever. So if we don’t meet the holy action of providing for our own household, then we are worse than an unbeliever and we have denied the faith. This means faith (that is continued) is more than just believing in Jesus as your Savior and believing the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, or faith is more than just calling upon the name of the Lord for salvation (i.e. God’s grace and mercy) (Romans 10:9) (Romans 10:12-13). Sure, it starts off that way, but it does not remain that way.

 

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But not to make you righteous, but because you are righteous already, by faith, apart from your works. Your works being the necessary evidence of that faith.

1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

1 John 2:9-11 says by its indirect wording that…. Walking in the light = Loving your brother.

In other words, 1 John 1:7 is saying if love our brother… the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. So not only is Romans 3:25 true in our Initial Salvation or in trusting in the blood for salvation (God’s grace), but it also requires us to CONTINUE in the faith in the Sanctification Process by the Spirit as a part of God’s plan of salvation. For loving your brother is a holy action that is tied to the blood of Jesus cleansing you from all sin.

 

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Your continuing faith IS your initial faith that hasn't ceased. Stop drawing a line between the two where none exists. Either you are a believing person or you are not.


Faith is dead (having no works) the very moment you have that faith and are justified/saved. Don't you realize this????


You're not paying attention. The works attached to the faith that saves does not make you born again/saved. Every born again person is saved. Every born again/saved person became born again/saved by faith, all by itself, apart from the performance of righteous work. Do you believe this?

No. Not every person who has been born again remains saved their whole life. In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, when the son came home and sought forgiveness with his father, he said of his son that he was “dead” and he is “alive AGAIN.” (See: Luke 15:11-32). The parable is speaking in spiritual terms because the son did not physically die in the parable. So the son was dead spiritually when he was living it up with prostitutes, and he became alive AGAIN spiritually when he came back home, and he sought forgiveness of his sins with his father. Note: The parallel here is that believers should seek forgiveness with their EVERLASTING Father (Jesus Christ) if they ever go prodigal. For if they are prodigal, they are dead spiritually. The only way to be restored is to seek God’s grace through Jesus Christ and get back on the path of following the Lord in holiness by the power of the Spirit. Note: This same truth in the Parable of the Prodigal Son is also taught in James 5:19-20. Yet, most Protestants I have shown this to, either ignore it, or they twist these verses beyond what the text plainly says to defend their precious Protestant sayings.

 

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The problem is that you basically make no distinction between faith and works. You seem to wrap both faith and works up in a package and simply stamp "faith" on the package. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit, but according to you, both faith and works are the root of salvation.

Works are the evidence of faith, but not the very essence of faith, so works are separate from faith. Faith is faith and works are works. No contradiction at all.

Yes, SHOW not establish. Big difference.

In James 2:22, faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It does not mean that Abraham was finally saved based on merits of his works after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

I find it interesting that you mentioned 1 Thessalonians 1:3. I was recently in a discussion with a works-salvationist who attends the church of Christ and he was making the same argument about faith and works that you are making. He teaches that we are saved by faith "conjoined" with works and basically makes no distinction between faith and works. Notice the words "work of" faith, "labor of" love and "patience of" hope in 1 Thessalonians 1:3. These are the practical outworking of the Thessalonians' conversion. The "work" the Thessalonians do is a result or consequence of their faith. So too their "labor" flows from love and their "endurance" comes from hope. Work "of" faith does not mean that faith in essence is the work accomplished or that we are saved by works that are produced "out of" faith. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1) Faith is not works. Their work is a result or consequence "of" their faith. The work done is "of" faith or done "out of" faith. Faith was already established at conversion and then the work followed as a result or consequence "of" faith. I've heard other works-salvationists (including Roman Catholics) try to turn work "of" faith into work "is" faith and end up making no distinction between faith and works that follow as a result of faith as well. The end result of course is salvation by faith and works.

Works can only justify us in the sense of being "shown to be righteous." (James 2:14-24) We are justified (accounted as righteous) by faith, not works. (Romans 4:2-6)

"Part" of faith would make them the very essence of faith, which is false. Works are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of faith, but not the essence of faith and not the basis or means by which we obtain salvation.

Faith and works are not one in essence, so they are separate in essence. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. Just as the root from a tree is separate from the fruit that is produced from the nutrients that flow through the root of the tree and produce the fruit.

It doesn't take reading the whole Bible in order to establish faith in Christ for salvation.

The whole Bible is God's word. Faith is faith and the whole Bible is the whole Bible.

I understand perfectly that you confuse faith in Christ for salvation with believing and obeying instructions from the Bible "out of" faith. This is how you end up with salvation by faith and works.

Nobody teaches "works alone" with no faith whatsoever salvation. Circumcision was one stumbling block for the Jews, but it's not the only stumbling block and it's only one work. Romans 4:2 said "if" Abraham was justified by "works" and not merely circumcision. Paul goes on to say that "faith is accounted as righteousness" (vs. 5) and that God imputes righteousness "apart from works." (vs. 6) So there are no works in the equation here.

Not saved by works in general and not only initially, but finally as well. (1 Peter 1:9) Sorry to burst your bubble, but from beginning to end Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption alone and not based on the merits of our works. No boasting for you.

Progressive sanctification is not about working for our salvation, but working out the salvation that we already have in Christ. Denying ungodliness and living righteously and godly in this present world is what we are saved FOR and NOT BY. You have this backwards and the end result is works salvation.

Romans 4:2 is not merely limited to circumcision. Romans 4:2 clearly states that Abraham was NOT justified (accounted as righteous) by works. In James 2:21, we see that Abraham was justified (shown to be righteous) by works and circumcision is not even mentioned. The work of offering up his son Isaac on the altar is the work in view. Elsewhere, Paul clearly stated that it's not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saves us.. (Titus 3:5) and that God saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works.. (2 Timothy 1:9) so it's not merely circumcision, but works in general which includes works of faith. Works of "righteousness" can only be produced "out of" faith. You need to place in JESUS CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION and stop trusting in works. You are on very dangerous ground!

If I said that there is a thing called the work of God (done through the believer), you would not argue with me that the work of God is a part of God. But when we come to faith and works and we say the work of faith is not the faith then you start to contradict yourself.

 

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No. Not every person who has been born again remains saved their whole life.

I don't care about that argument.
What you need to know is the person who has faith in the blood of Jesus is justified/saved in that very instant, apart from any merit of works. That is in fact the justification that Paul is talking about in Romans 4:6. No works are required to obtain the forgiveness of sin that faith in the blood of Christ secures all by itself.

 

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1 John 1:7 is saying if love our brother… the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

Loving your brother does not MAKE you a born again/saved person. It SHOWS that you are a born again/saved person continually being cleansed by the intercessory ministry of Christ that you believe and trust in. The believing person's righteous obedience does not solicit the ongoing benefit of Christ's intercessory ministry. The faith that drives the righteous obedience does that, all by itself.

 

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No. 1 John 3:7 says he that does righteousness is righteous (Note: This would be in our Sanctification AFTER we are saved by God’s grace in our Initial Salvation).

It does not say he who does righteousness is made righteous. It says he IS righteous. His righteous behavior being the evidence of the righteousness that he already has by faith.

 

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Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

prety much destroys their argument

@Eternally Grateful If ppl understood just how much true faith depends on the working of grace, then maybe there would not be so many arguments about divine sovereignty/human responsibility.

 

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@Eternally Grateful If ppl understood just how much true faith depends on the working of grace, then maybe there would not be so many arguments about divine sovereignty/human responsibility.

Jesus said you must become poor in spirit if you want the kingdom of God. I never truly understood what he meant,

He was in effect telling us if you want to enter Gods kingdom. You need to become “bankrupt” which is literally what the word translated poor means.

It is not just a person who is lower class or has little wealth. It is someone who has nothing. He has no where to go but to trust in someone else.

The tax collector became poor in spirit, He is the perfect example of what it takes to enter Gods family

Until you reach that point, you will hold on to what little wealth you THINK you have. And refuse to do what it takes to enter Gods family.

The workers may talk a good talk, and make it sound like they are spirit. But they yet have become poor in spirit. They still think they can offer God something. Until they repent of what little they have. They will never see what it they need to see.

 

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Jesus said you must become poor in spirit if you want the kingdom of God. I never truly understood what he meant,

He was in effect telling us if you want to enter Gods kingdom. You need to become “bankrupt” which is literally what the word translated poor means.

It is not just a person who is lower class or has little wealth. It is someone who has nothing. He has no where to go but to trust in someone else.

The tax collector became poor in spirit, He is the perfect example of what it takes to enter Gods family

Until you reach that point, you will hold on to what little wealth you THINK you have. And refuse to do what it takes to enter Gods family.

The workers may talk a good talk, and make it sound like they are spirit. But they yet have become poor in spirit. They still think they can offer God something. Until they repent of what little they have. They will never see what it they need to see.

@Eternally Grateful Good analogy there.

It really does have to be all of grace indeed.

"All of grace, yes, grace surpassing,
Such a portion to bestow,
But the love, all knowledge passing,
Grace has taught us now to know.

Love that bore the stripes and sorrow,
Love that suffered on the Tree,
Love that shares the bright tomorrow,
With the loved ones, you and me."

 

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For the umpteenth time, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. If someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. (James 2:14) It takes a living faith to produce works, (Ephesians 2:5-10) just as it takes a living tree to produce fruit.
We are saved by faith apart from the merit of works, yet authentic faith does not remain alone from the presence of works. This does not make works salvific.

Works only show our faith, but they do not establish it. We are saved by faith at it's origin. Works being the fruit of faith does not make them part of salvation. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit.

Many Protestants have tried to undo James in several different ways.
Luther (the father or Protestantism) even called James an epistle of straw.
Others have said that the book of James was written to the Jews and not Christians to try to undo what James said.
Your attempt is no different.

Again, if you believe faith must be evidenced by works to show a genuine saving faith, and it's not possible to have a faith that does not have evidence of works in one's continued faith, then you must conclude works is a part of salvation because you cannot have a saving CONTINUED FAITH without works. Again, unless you believe no works are necessary in a continued faith, then you don't truly believe works are not for salvation. If this is not the case, then you are believing in a contradiction (as I said countless times to you before).

Teaching that works are salvific is where we absolutely disagree. We are not saved by works. Period. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; )

But these verses are talking about our Initial Salvation and not about the Secondary Aspect of Salvation which is by the Sanctification of the Spirit (2 Thessalonians 2:13) (Romans 8:13).

2 Timothy 1:9

2 Timothy 1:9
“Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”

The part that says, “Who hath saved us” is in reference to being saved by God's grace.
The part that says, “and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works,” is not referring to the “works of faith” but either works of man made traditions, or works of the Law of Moses that no longer apply (For it compares “OUR works” with “an holy calling according to his own purpose and grace.”

By making works part of salvation, this gives you boasting rights, which is really what tickles your ears. You want credit.

You are referring to Ephesians 2:9. The underlying argument Paul when he spoke about how we need to be saved by God's grace and not by works or the Law was his fight against Circumcision Salvationism (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Galatians 5:2, Galatians 2:3, Romans 3:1, Romans 4:9-12). This was the false belief that said you had to be first circumcised to be initially saved vs. being saved initially by God's grace. For if a person made circumcision (a law or work) how they first got saved, they would be making the law or a work the entrance gate and foundation of their salvation vs. being initially saved by God's grace (which is an aspect of salvation without the deeds of the Law). So if one thought they had to be circumcised first to be saved, they would boast in how their circumcision (a work) saved them. This is what Paul was ultimately talking about (and it is only evident if you were to look at all the phrases by Paul on circumcision and if you carefully were to reread Acts of the Apostles 15:1).

All genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23) The thief on the cross died the same day of his conversion and how many works did he accomplish on that cross before his death? He rebuked the other thief and asked Jesus to remember him when he comes into His kingdom, demonstrating his faith in Jesus. That's it. The thief was still saved through faith.

No argument from me here. That's why I believe the Bible teaches two aspects of salvation. The thief was saved by the 1st aspect of salvation by faith, and he did not live on to enter the 2nd aspect of salvation (Which is also by faith).

Absolutely false. Making works "part" of faith and salvation means that salvation is by works, which is condemned in scripture. Point, blank, period.

No. Works is condemned for salvation only in the 1st aspect of salvation or in our Initial Salvation. For if you were to carefully re-examine Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:3-5, Romans 11:6, and Titus 3:5, you will find that it is dealing with our Initial Salvation by the context and not exclusively our Continued Salvation or Continued Faith. For if a person was saved by works in their Initial Salvation (with no grace), then it would be “Works ALONE Salvationism.” For Jesus Himself taught us to be fruitful to enter the Kingdom in Matthew 25 in the Parable of the Talents. The unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness (Thereby showing that one needs to be fruitful to enter the Kingdom).

Roman Catholics, Mormons, Campbellites and other works-salvationists make the same error that you are making and the end result is salvation by faith (their version of faith) and works.

As I said to you before several times, Catholics believe in the Trinity, that does not mean the Trinity is not a true and or correct doctrine in the Bible. So guilt by association is not always true. Besides, I don't believe like Catholics, or the Church of Christ because they actually believe in Works ALONE Salvationism. They don't believe they are saved initially by God's grace without works in the 1st aspect of salvation. So there is never a point in their salvation whereby it was salvation only by God's grace and mercy. They always believe it was works that is included in faith when coming to God's grace (Which is false).

It's a real shame to see so much zeal wasted on unbelief.

I can actually say the same for you. Your defense of Protestant sayings is unbelief in my humble opinion.
I say it's unbelief because you really don't believe James 1:12, James 1:21, James 2:17, James 2:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Romans 8:13, etcetera.

Salvation through FAITH ALONE means that we are saved by placing our faith in JESUS CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION. The works that follow and are produced "out of" faith are the FRUIT of salvation, BUT NOT THE ROOT OF IT. No contradiction on my part. You just don't get it.

I believe faith is alive when it has no works in our Initial Salvation because it is the 1st aspect of salvation in being saved by God's grace through faith. So we are saved by a temporal faith alone (without works) in our Initial Salvation. But Perpetual Belief Alone Salvationism is not true. Even you admit we need to have works to show a saving faith. So works a necessary part of the salvation equation because you cannot have a dead continued faith (without works), and be saved.

 

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I don't care about that argument.
What you need to know is the person who has faith in the blood of Jesus is justified/saved in that very instant, apart from any merit of works.

Right, at one point in time this is true. For example: A person can be initially saved one way, and at another point in time, a person can be saved a different way. That does not mean there is a contradiction. Time is what is tripping you up. You want there to be one set mold or way for salvation that is overly simplistic.

Proof? I already showed you. Again, we are saved not only by believing in the blood of Jesus (Romans 3:25) but we are saved (cleansed of all sin by the blood of Jesus) by walking in the light (loving your brother), too (1 John 1:7, cf. 1 John 2:9-11).

That is in fact the justification that Paul is talking about in Romans 4:6. No works are required to obtain the forgiveness of sin that faith in the blood of Christ secures all by itself.

Yes, this is because it is the 1st aspect of one's salvation in being saved by God's grace. Salvation is different in the 1st aspect of salvation vs. the Secondary aspect of salvation. Think of it like with a baby. Babies can only drink milk in the beginning, and they cannot have solid food yet. Only as they later grow and mature can they eat meat. The Bible speaks the same way. We are to start off with the milk of the Word (God's grace) (1 Corinthians 3:2), and then we are to move on to the meat of the Word (Which is to discern between good and evil - See: Hebrews 5:14).

 

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It does not say he who does righteousness is made righteous. It says he IS righteous.

I noticed you left off "as He is righteous." "let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." This is REAL righteousness and character, not a mere "on the books" righteousness spoken of here. Even the context makes it clear... “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.” (3:6). “He that committeth sin is of the devil.” (3: 8). “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;” (3:9).

 

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Loving your brother does not MAKE you a born again/saved person. It SHOWS that you are a born again/saved person continually being cleansed by the intercessory ministry of Christ that you believe and trust in. The believing person's righteous obedience does not solicit the ongoing benefit of Christ's intercessory ministry. The faith that drives the righteous obedience does that, all by itself.

Okay. Nowhere did I say anything about being born again. The Born again experience happens when we are first come to the Lord for salvation only. Also, 1 John 1:7 is talking about continued faith/salvation because John uses the words “if” and “we” in the same verse.

IF is a condition.
WE includes John in the conversation.
John is saved.
So John is saying IF... IF... IF..... IF (a condition and not a guarantee)....
IF.... WE (John included) we walk in the light.
So John who is saved is saying if he walks in the light.
John is not using words to say that he will always walk in the light because John knows he was born again in his initial salvation. If that was the case, then John would say.....

I know that we who are born again WILL walk in the light.

Did John say it like that?

No. John said....IF we walk in the light.

It's a condition for even him. John does not know if he will continue to walk in the light and so he uses the words IF and WE.

 

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It does not say he who does righteousness is made righteous. It says he IS righteous. His righteous behavior being the evidence of the righteousness that he already has by faith.

Galatians 6:7-8
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”

Protestant Version of This Verse:

“There is no sowing or reaping you need to worry about. The born again will always sow to the Spirit and will reap everlasting life. Only unbelievers or fake believers will sow to the flesh and reap corruption.”
(Galatians 6:7-8 Imaginary Protestant Influenced Translation).​

Romans 8:13
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”

Protestant Version of This Verse:

“Those who were once born again can never live after the flesh (sin) whereby they could die. All born again believers WILL mortify the deeds of the body by the Spirit whereby they are guaranteed to live (live eternally).”
(Romans 8:13 Imaginary Protestant Influenced Translation).​

In other words, the Bible does not use the same words that Protestants do. For this is how the Protestant would distort these verses above.

James 1:22
“But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”

Philippians 2:12
“...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not every person who has been born again remains saved their whole life.

I don't care about that argument.

You should care if you are a truth seeker of what the Bible says. For it is at the heart of refuting the Protestant belief that says that no born again believer can fall away, lose his salvation, and they will always bear fruit and do righteousness the rest of their life.