The One Baptism

[Charlie24]

Thanks for sharing.

Seems men have caused a funky division...
Jesus is three...Unitarian....all three IS ONE God
God is three.....Trinitarian...all three IS ONE God

Baptize in the Name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit...?

Consider the Apostles, expressly chosen, taught, and sent out to Teach, by Jesus Himself....

Acts: 2:
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

That water baptism was in Israel where they knew who God was through the Law of Moses.

When Jesus told them to take the Gospel to the nations of the world, who didn't know who the true God was, He said, baptism them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[RLT63]

The One Baptism of the OP is pertaining to our salvation, that is what I have shown.

The baptism of receiving the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues is another subject.

If you want to discuss that or prove that I can tell you right now, you can't prove it or disprove it still active in the Church today.

The Pentecostals have several good points for the gifts continuing throughout the Church Age. Paul said these gifts will cease when "that which is perfect is come." Now if you can prove that which is perfect is the complete cannon of Scripture or another identification that occurred earlier in the Last Days, then you have an answer.

But if you can't, then the Pentecostals claim when "that which is perfect is come" is the resurrection which means the gifts will cease at the end of the Church Age.

The problem with it all is that neither side can prove from Scripture their case. Although both sides have convincing arguments.

You can search for Why Am I A Cessationist? and Why Am I A Continuationist? and they both make good arguments

 

[Taken]

That water baptism was in Israel where they knew who God was through the Law of Moses.

When Jesus told them to take the Gospel to the nations of the world, who didn't know who the true God was, He said, baptism them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus came to seek the lost Jews.
Jesus sent His Apostles (and another 70 disciples) out to First seek the Jews then the other Tribesmen....so agree, they were just learning of the Son, (called Jesus, the Word of God), and that the Holy Spirit, which is the Power of God, (called Christ), whom they had been waiting for to Save them....
They didn’t know...Save spiritually.
They thought...Save the flesh bodily....(and upon reflection...Noah was saved bodily)...Mysterious to them.

Jesus thereafter appointed Paul to seek and Preach to;
The Gentile kings, the Gentile people and Jews.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: The ONE Baptism?

For the sake of those who are not familiar with this subject I want to identify the baptisms.

Good idea...

quickly recap
1. The baptism of repentance This is John the Baptist' baptism. It is not the same as the believers baptism, ...2. The believers baptism This is the baptism in the name of the Lord. It is the baptism our Lord commanded to be given to those who believe in Him. ...3. The baptism of the Holy Spirit This baptism is a spiritual baptism.

Disagree, only one "water" baptism, not TWO - see/review post #291,
with 2 Dozen Passages on: The The Purpose of water baptism
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Also Disagree, since I cannot find find this UNknown 'baptism OF The
Holy Ghost' anywhere in Scripture - see/review post #315, with 14
Passages on: The Purpose of Christ's Baptism "WITH" The Holy Spirit

Note: These Are Found In God's Context of prophecy/law for Israel

Now, continuing with the third and Final Baptism to Investigate,
For All Scriptural Evidence, and:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

"The Baptism "BY" The Holy Spirit:​

This Is The ONE Baptism Found In God's Other Context of
Mystery/Grace For The 'Body Of Christ' - Confirming Scriptures:

"...There Is ONE Baptism..." (Ephesians_4:5)

God's Purpose Of This ONE?:

"For BY ONE Spirit Are we all Baptized Into ONE Body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have
been all made to drink into ONE Spirit" (1 Corinthians_12:13)

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were Baptized Into
Jesus Christ were Baptized Into His Death? Therefore we
are buried with Him By Baptism Into Death:..."
(Romans_6:3-4)

"Buried with Him In Baptism, Wherein also ye are risen
with Him through the faith of The Operation of God, Who
Hath Raised Him from the dead." (Colossians_2:12)

"For as many of you as have been Baptized Into
Christ have put on Christ." (Galatians_3:27)

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Conclusion: Thus we have three baptisms, and a choice to make as
to which ONE applies to us, The ONE Body Of Christ, Correct? - In
Summary, is it:

A) one of the Two found in God's Context of prophecy/law To TWELVE
earthly tribes of Israel, commissioned by Christ, on earth, to TWELVE
apostles, who Were Commanded to "water" baptize?:

or:
Rightly Divided (2Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

B) The ONE found in God's Other Context Of Mystery/Grace,
commissioned From Christ, In Heaven, to ONE apostle, Paul
[who was Not sent to "water" baptize], for us, today, The

ONE [Heavenly] Body of Christ?:​

or, perchance, what so many are totally

C)onfused about: a theological/traditional/Disagreeable denominational
homogenization of a And B, instead of Rightly Dividing them?

Praying hopefully we will all ✔ ✔ All Of The Scriptural Evidence, Correct?

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided!

 

[Charlie24]

op: The ONE Baptism?

Good idea...

Disagree, only one "water" baptism, not TWO - see/review post #291,
with 2 Dozen Passages on: The The Purpose of water baptism
+
Also Disagree, since I cannot find find this UNknown 'baptism OF The Holy
Ghost' anywhere in Scripture - see/review post #315, with 14 Passages on:
The Purpose of Christ's Baptism "WITH" The Holy Spirit

Note: These Are Found In God's Context of prophecy/law for Israel

Now, continuing with the third and Final Baptism to Investigate,
For All Scriptural Evidence, and:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

"The Baptism "BY" The Holy Spirit:​

This Is The ONE Baptism Found In God's Other Context of
Mystery/Grace For The 'Body Of Christ' - Confirming Scriptures:

"...There Is ONE Baptism..." (Ephesians_4:5)

God's Purpose Of This ONE?:

"For BY ONE Spirit Are we all Baptized Into ONE Body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have
been all made to drink into ONE Spirit" (1 Corinthians_12:13)

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were Baptized Into
Jesus Christ were Baptized Into His Death? Therefore we
are buried with Him By Baptism Into Death:..."
(Romans_6:3-4)

"Buried with Him In Baptism, Wherein also ye are risen
with Him through the faith of The Operation of God, Who
Hath Raised Him from the dead." (Colossians_2:12)

"For as many of you as have been Baptized Into
Christ have put on Christ." (Galatians_3:27)

---------------------------------

Conclusion: Thus we have three baptisms, and a choice to make as
to which ONE applies to us, The ONE Body Of Christ, Correct? - In
Summary, is it:

A) one of the Two found in God's Context of prophecy/law To TWELVE
earthly tribes of Israel, commissioned by Christ, on earth, to TWELVE
apostles, who Were Commanded to "water" baptize?:

or:
Rightly Divided (2Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

B) The ONE found in God's Other Context Of Mystery/Grace,
commissioned From Christ, In Heaven, to ONE apostle, Paul
[who was Not sent to "water" baptize], for us, today, The

ONE [Heavenly] Body of Christ?:​

or, perchance, what so many are totally

C)onfused about: a theological/traditional/Disagreeable denominational
homogenization of a And B, instead of Rightly Dividing them?

Praying hopefully we will all ✔ ✔ All Of The Scriptural Evidence, Correct?

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided!

All three of those baptisms apply to the believer! But only One applies to our actual salvation. That is the One Baptism of Eph. 4 that Paul is speaking of. It is the circumcision of the heart that Jeremiah spoke of, the baptism into Christ that Paul reveals in more detail. It is the spiritual baptism that is actually our salvation taking place, and explained by Paul in Rom. 6.

Water baptism is the symbol of this spiritual baptism and our first confession of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

There are numerous examples of receiving the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues found in Scripture. This is the third baptism and is a baptism that gave the power of gifts to those who would further the Gospel.

In 1 Cor. 12 Paul gives us the names of those nine gifts.

The Word of Wisdom
The Word of Knowledge
The Special Gift of Faith
The Gift of Healing
The Gift of Miracles
The Gift of Prophecy
The Discerning of Spirits
The Gift of Tongues
The Gift of Interpretation of Tongues

Then Paul tells us how these gifts are distributed among the Body of Christ.

God has set over the Church first, Apostles, second, Prophets, third, Teachers.

Then he speaks of the government or structure of the Church in these callings.

Not all will have the same gifts, they are distributed as seen fit by the Holy Spirit.

Now whether or not these gifts are still active in the Church, I can't prove one way or another from Scripture.

If you can prove that one way or another, then I would say you have also been given the gift of miracles.

Because no one before you has been able to do it! Good arguments, yes, but proof, no!

 

[Marymog]

Strawman. The Bible ONLY has examples of adults being baptized. Was your lord baptized as an adult or an infant?

I rest my case.

Oh goodness Wrangler.....It appears you do not know the definition of a straw man argument. But that was a very artful dodge to avoid the FACT that at no point, nowhere, does Scripture tell us to baptize or not to baptize infants.

Scripture does NOT only have examples of adults being baptized. Scripture says baptize ALL. Are not infants' part of ALL Wrangler? Scripture says entire families were baptized. Your theory suggests that there were no infants in the families that were baptized. Do you honestly believe that Wrangler?

Furthermore, just because Jesus was baptized as an adult it does not negate infant baptism. That's a silly argument. For Christians Baptism is the entrance into a covenant with God. For the Jews circumcision is an entrance into a covenant with God. So Jesus recieved his "baptism" as a Jewish infant. I presume since you know Scripture you know that Baptism replaced circumcision Wrangler.

Your "case" has been re-opened.

 

[Marymog]

False Alternative. I believe Scripture not other men and rely on my own capacity to reason rather than what others tell me.

Huh? False alternative? That makes no sense....let's move on.

If you can show me in Scripture where it says that "baptize all" means "don't baptize infants" OR that there is a disclaimer saying the infants of families were NOT to be baptized I will join you in your fight not to allow infants to receive the saving waters of baptism (1 Peter 3:21)!

You, a man, have your "own capacity to reason". When you, a man, read Scripture you have used that capacity to reason that since Scripture does not directly say to baptize or not to baptize infants then you have reasoned yourself into the 'do not baptize infants'.

Other men, who have read that same Scripture as you, have their "own capacity to reason" and they have used their reason when they read Scripture to determine that infants should be baptized.

You have convinced yourself that you are being reasonable in your interpretation and that those other men are being unreasonable in their interpretation.

Does it matter to you at all that those same men, whom you disagree with, lived closest to the times of the Apostles and had the ringing of the teachings of the Apostles in their ears?

Does it matter to you at all that historically we know from our own Christian history that infant baptism was in fact practiced in the early Church and that the rejection of infant baptism did really begin until your Protestant Revolution?

Do any of those facts matter to you at all.......Curious Mary

 

[Wrangler]

Do any of those facts matter to you at all.......Curious Mary

Mary, you are devoted to defending your manmade tradition.

Jesus was baptized as an adult, along with everyone else in Scripture who was baptized. The only question is; are you going to follow Christ OR rationalize why you don’t?

 

[Marymog]

Mary, you are devoted to defending your manmade tradition.

Jesus was baptized as an adult, along with everyone else in Scripture who was baptized. The only question is; are you going to follow Christ OR rationalize why you don’t?

Oh goodness Wrangler.....I don't know why I even try to carry on a conversation with you. It seems you believe if you keep telling a lie it will eventually come true. Scripture does not say that only adults were baptized. That is a complete lie, and you know it. As I have clearly pointed out to you, of which you refuse to acknowledge, is that there are infants in families. Entire families were baptized. Christ said baptize all. He didn't say baptize everyone except infants. Your denomination rejects the words of Christ and tell Him "No, we are not going to baptize all". Your men have led you astray Wrangler! RUN from them....

Baptizing of infants is not a manmade tradition. And as I have clearly shown to you, of which you refuse to acknowledge, is that baptizing of infants IS the tradition of Christianity dating back to the 1st century. The manmade tradition of NOT baptizing babies started AFTER the Reformation.

Your "tradition" you follow is a new tradition. The only thing you are doing is twisting Scripture and history around.

 

[Wrangler]

Scripture does not say that only adults were baptized.

Even better- Scripture SHOWS that only adults were baptized.

And again, you are missing the Christ. Do you follow Christ or rationalize why you don’t.

We have our answer for the necessity of the Protestant Reformation.

 

[amigo de christo]

Mary, you are devoted to defending your manmade tradition.

Jesus was baptized as an adult, along with everyone else in Scripture who was baptized. The only question is; are you going to follow Christ OR rationalize why you don’t?

Never heed the CC . Follow CHRIST . Let all that has breath praise and thank the glorious Lord .

 

[Enoch111]

Baptizing of infants is not a manmade tradition.

The Bible is crystal clear that only those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ wholeheartedly may be baptized by immersion. Since infants, babies, and little children cannot meet this requirement, they must not be baptized. God has already made provision for their salvation through Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Bible is crystal clear that only those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ wholeheartedly may be baptized by immersion. Since infants, babies, and little children cannot meet this requirement, they must not be baptized. God has already made provision for their salvation through Christ.

 

[Charlie24]

Oh goodness Wrangler.....I don't know why I even try to carry on a conversation with you. It seems you believe if you keep telling a lie it will eventually come true. Scripture does not say that only adults were baptized. That is a complete lie, and you know it. As I have clearly pointed out to you, of which you refuse to acknowledge, is that there are infants in families. Entire families were baptized. Christ said baptize all. He didn't say baptize everyone except infants. Your denomination rejects the words of Christ and tell Him "No, we are not going to baptize all". Your men have led you astray Wrangler! RUN from them....

Baptizing of infants is not a manmade tradition. And as I have clearly shown to you, of which you refuse to acknowledge, is that baptizing of infants IS the tradition of Christianity dating back to the 1st century. The manmade tradition of NOT baptizing babies started AFTER the Reformation.

Your "tradition" you follow is a new tradition. The only thing you are doing is twisting Scripture and history around.

There are Protestant churches that baptize babies, but it is a dedication by the parents to raise the child in the Lord. It is not a cleansing process as the Catholics believe.

That tradition comes from believing sins are actually washed away in water baptism, that is heresy, I'm sorry!

 

[amigo de christo]

Get in bibles and learn that doctrine well . Never follow the CC nor any other who teaches and does things contrary .

 

[Charlie24]

There are Protestant churches that baptize babies, but it is a dedication by the parents to raise the child in the Lord. It is not a cleansing process as the Catholics believe.

That tradition comes from believing sins are actually washed away in water baptism, that is heresy, I'm sorry!

When we are baptized into the death of Christ, we are baptized into the shedding of His blood at His death.

Your sins are washed away by the Blood of Christ! That all takes place in the baptism into Christ, and it's a spiritual baptism.

When Ananias told Paul to go and be water baptized washing away your sins, he was speaking of a past action that took place the very instant Paul believed on Christ.

That water baptism was the symbol of Paul's sins being washed away. That's why we call on the name of the Lord in water baptism, to confess the spiritual baptism that took place in the heart.

 

[Wrangler]

baptizing of infants IS the tradition of Christianity dating back to ...

Mary, you don't have eyes to see. Baptizing infants is not in Scripture. Therefore, it is a manmade tradition.

Your commitment to not follow Christ, not follow God's word is typical of RCC and why we can NEVER be reunited.

 

[Marymog]

Mary, you don't have eyes to see. Baptizing infants is not in Scripture. Therefore, it is a manmade tradition.

Your commitment to not follow Christ, not follow God's word is typical of RCC and why we can NEVER be reunited.

Ummmm.....I already stated that Scripture is silent on baptizing of infants. It doesn't say to do it OR not to it. You and your men have read INTO Scripture NOT to baptize infants! I havn't! Sooooo what's your point?

Scripture is silent on what age a person can accept Jesus and become his disciple. So what age is that Wrangler?

 

[Marymog]

There are Protestant churches that baptize babies, but it is a dedication by the parents to raise the child in the Lord. It is not a cleansing process as the Catholics believe.

That tradition comes from believing sins are actually washed away in water baptism, that is heresy, I'm sorry!

Hey Charlie..... there are Protestant denominations that adhere to Scripture and teach that it is a "cleansing process"......So what is your point?

Since the beginning of Christianity, us Christians have taught that baptism IS a "cleansing process". It is salvific (1 Peter 3:21), washes away sin (Acts 22:16) and all are to be baptized (Matthew 28:19). Shortly after the beginning of the Protestant Revolution the Revolutionaries started a new tradition with their heretical teaching that denies that it is a 'cleansing process" and they deny baptism to some.

Sooooo when you deny that "sins are actually washed away in water baptism" you deny Scripture what Scripture literally says...... it washes away sin (Acts 22:16).

Mary

 

[Marymog]

The Bible is crystal clear that only those who repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ wholeheartedly may be baptized by immersion. Since infants, babies, and little children cannot meet this requirement, they must not be baptized. God has already made provision for their salvation through Christ.

Thanks Enoch.

Help me out here. Where does Scripture give instructions on HOW to baptize?

Where does Scripture say God has already made provision for the salvation of infants and children through Christ?