The One Baptism
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RLT63
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There is a baptism of the Holy Spirit but it doesn't require you to speak in tongues. Some say only the Apostles had the power to baptize believers with the Holy Spirit by laying on hands.
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Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Why couldn't Phillip lay hands on them, why did they have to send Peter and John?
But in the case of Cornelius no one laid hands on them. The Holy Spirit just fell on them. So how do we receive this baptism?
Luk 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Just ask the Father.
Some will say that Christ did not command water baptism.
"Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name ...."
Sounds like a commandment to me!
I personally am not acquainted with the practice of the Anabaptists. But if for some reason a person is not water baptized, that is your first confession of Christ, and a very serious matter. I have never seen this happen, but that public confession of Christ needs to be made through water baptism.
Saul was a Jew but Paul is a Christian when he was baptized into the new catholic Christian covenant acts 22:16
Christ is the founder and mediator of the catholic Christian new covenant
RLT63
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There is a baptism of the Holy Spirit but it doesn't require you to speak in tongues. Some say only the Apostles had the power to baptize believers with the Holy Spirit by laying on hands.
Act 8:14
¶
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Why couldn't Phillip lay hands on them, why did they have to send Peter and John?
But in the case of Cornelius no one laid hands on them. The Holy Spirit just fell on them. So how do we receive this baptism?
Luk 11:13
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Just ask the Father.
Oh I have for sure asked Him many times. Thinking it is a faith thing like, having to believe without signs and wonders...IOW, believing without seeing or experiencing?
Many believe someone is not saved without the "evidence" of tongues as you know, early on in y infancy this teaching had me in all kinds of fretting, even to the point of faking tongues! But, thank God, only for about a year then onto a more orderly church.
Either way, nobody laid hands on me to receive the Holy Spirit, I simply assumed He came during conversion, after repentance. Still carry around doubt
RLT63
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I went to Churches that practiced those things but I experienced something just by raising my hands and praying. No one laying hands on me or pushing me. I saw a lot of excess and questionable things. But the decision to finally surrender my life to God was a conscious one and not the result of any experience. I was a Youth Pastor in a non denominational Church and it was considered Charismatic but there wasn't any emphasis on speaking in tongues and you didn't have the excess you see in a lot of "Spirit Filled" Churches. I go to a Church now that doesn't practice any of those things. I believe God will supply us with everything we need if we ask and trust him.Oh I have for sure asked Him many times. Thinking it is a faith thing like, having to believe without signs and wonders...IOW, believing without seeing or experiencing?
Many believe someone is not saved without the "evidence" of tongues as you know, early on in y infancy this teaching had me in all kinds of fretting, even to the point of faking tongues! But, thank God, only for about a year then onto a more orderly church.
Either way, nobody laid hands on me to receive the Holy Spirit, I simply assumed He came during conversion, after repentance. Still carry around doubt
then there is no new covenant
Paul was not a Jew either!
Romans 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, ofthe tribe of Benjamin.
How did you arrive at that conclusion? Circumcision is required in the Mosaic law.
If the Jews were never required to be circumcised then the Jews were never required to keep the law of Moses.
RLT63
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Where does the Bible say that!
Matt 10:2 Peter is the first!
Matt 16:17-19
did Christ give the keys of jurisdictional authority to govern his church and administer his kingdom to a confession? Or to the person of the apostle Peter?
Did Christ give the apostolic authority to bind and loose to a confession? Or to the apostle Peter?
did a confession miraculously catch a fish with a coin in its mouth to pay the temple tax for both Christ and Peter identifying them as one in Matt 17:27 Or did the person of the apostle Peter?
Did a confession stand up in acts 1 and quote the Old Testament and appoint Mathias as an apostle? Or did the person of the apostle Peter?
Did a confession give the first sermon in acts 2? Or did the person of the apostle Peter?
did a man in acts 3:6 receive a miracle thru a confession? Or did the person of the apostle Peter?
Did a man in acts 5:5 fall dead at the feet of a confession? Or to the person of the apostle Peter?
did a confession preach the necessity of baptismal regeneration in acts 2:38-39 and 1 pet 3:20-21?
Or did the person of the apostle Peter?
New covenant is catholic!
Adam
(Marriage covenant)
Noah
(Family covenant)
Abraham
(Tribal covenant)
Moses:
(National covenant)
Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)
New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18
Universal (Catholic)
World universal
Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal) All men!
Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people. All men!
Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world. All men!
Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world
1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. All men!
Lk 2: 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All men!
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (All people universal) All men!
1 Tim 2:5 one mediator
Jn 10:16 One new covenant church
Only Jesus Christ has authority to found the church on Peter and the apostles! Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18
Jn 20:21 eph 2:20
All others are heretical sects the tradition of men!
RLT63
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Good luck and best wishes with your continued worship of the Catholic Church
There are only seven sacraments of the Christian church!
baptism of the hs is a novelty of a Pentecostal fantasy of the kooks and spooks from the 1800’s fundamentalists in the “burned over district”!
Sacramental life of the Christian church: I come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Jn 10:10 Jn 1:16-17
Baptism: (initiation into the covenant)
Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38-39 8:36
1 Corinthians 12:13 2 pet 1:11
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The Eucharist: (holy communion)
Mt 26:26-39 Jn 6:51-58 1 Cor 11:23-25
Confession of sins:
Jn 20:23 / 1 Jn 1:9 / 2 cor 5:18
Confirmation
Lk 22:32 acts 8:14-17
acts 14:22
Marriage:
Matt 19:4-6
Holy orders: (priesthood)
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru His priesthood in Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 10:1-8 Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 acts 1:17 acts 6:4 acts 8:26
2 Cor 5:18 1 Tim 4:14 Eph 2:20
Extreme unction: (anointing with oil)
1 Tim 4:14 James 5:14
The ark of salvation: one, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles!
baptism of the hs is a novelty of a Pentecostal fantasy of the kooks and spooks from the 1800’s fundamentalists in the “burned over district”!
Sacramental life of the Christian church: I come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Jn 10:10 Jn 1:16-17
Baptism: (initiation into the covenant)
Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38-39 8:36
1 Corinthians 12:13 2 pet 1:11
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
The Eucharist: (holy communion)
Mt 26:26-39 Jn 6:51-58 1 Cor 11:23-25
Confession of sins:
Jn 20:23 / 1 Jn 1:9 / 2 cor 5:18
Confirmation
Lk 22:32 acts 8:14-17
acts 14:22
Marriage:
Matt 19:4-6
Holy orders: (priesthood)
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru His priesthood in Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 10:1-8 Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 acts 1:17 acts 6:4 acts 8:26
2 Cor 5:18 1 Tim 4:14 Eph 2:20
Extreme unction: (anointing with oil)
1 Tim 4:14 James 5:14
The ark of salvation: one, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles!
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