I feel that when I take a stand against the evils of abortion, gay marriage etc. I am doing what I feel Jesus would have me do. I believe that there are biblical moral absolutes that we as Christians need to uphold and speak to the truth. I see nothing wrong with standing up for Christ like values. I clearly stated that my faith is in Christ alone. Sometimes we as Christians cannot help but to conflate Christian values with public policy. That is my opinion, and you have the right to your opinion.
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Say what you want sir, but I will always stand for the unborn. I am not holier than thou, but I know sin when I see it. You certainly have the the right to believe abortion is okay, I happen to disagree.
That was my point to you yesterday... As Christians we are called to live according to our Christian values to the best of our ability...and according to our good conscience.
Voting or not voting for Trump... agreeing with or not agreeing with... liking or not liking... it has nothing to do with FAITH... yet somehow... this particular election brought out even more division within the world of Christianity... Personally... I believe it is because these "Evangelical Christians" hopped onto the "Political Bandwagon"... and endorsed Trump as a candidate. The fall out of this last election in the United States is HUGE... and the damage that has been done is even huger.
Sadly.... Politics has always been like this... the good guys and the bad guys... only this time... this seems to have been magnified.
My point is... you have the right to vote for whomever... but so does everyone else... and I believe some just COULD not stomach the person of Mr. Trump... This does not make them enemies of God.
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putting words in my mouth. typical demonising and conflation by those of your ilk
I didn’t put words in mouth. You have the right to your opinions, so do I. Just what is my ilk ? Being Pro Life, frankly I am proud to be!!!!!
I never said it made you an enemy of God. I was giving the view of the Pro Life voter. I vote Pro Life, I have that right, no?
saintiaint
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Personally I really don't care what you believe... YOU have that right... my issue is the ASSUMPTIONS you are making about others.
and for the record.... you DID accuse me of NOT caring for the unborn because I did not appreciate Mr. Trump.
These were your exact words to me.... NOT cool... Just saying... My opinion of Mr. Trump in no way... shape or form defines what I believe about the UNBORN.
It appears you don’t care about the unborn dear lady!
and here we go again... Sir Enoch speaks for EVERYONE.
Christians are NOT above the law... or following the laws of the land.
You need to learn to use the words... IN MY OPINION...
I do not share your opinion about these pastors... and as far as the vaccines go... that is an individual choice... which you seem to have a problem allowing others to have... I can just see the label.... ENOCH says... don't take this because it's BOGUS....LOL
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I couldn’t possibly care less what you think. I think your moniker speaks volumes. Bye now.
I am not really disagreeing with you here. Rather I would add that there are different parts of the Body of Christ with different functions. Not everyone knows initially what their own function is and some people seem to believe that are the Head of the Body as they decide for others what those others should or should not be doing or thinking or believing.
We may be wrong, each one of us in part, but the Head we are not. I do believe that there are Absolute Truths [ATs], but we need to be careful about pressing others to believe as ATs precisely what we might believe to be ATs. God knows what any ATs are if anyone does, but do I? In other words, I may also have taken a wrong turn or two...
Give God the glory!
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Sometimes I feel people throw the baby out with the bath water (metaphorically speaking), when their hated of one person (Trump) in this case, causes them to choose an abortion on demand candidate (Biden).
My opinion is, and it’s my opinion, that someone who voted for Biden does not care about the unborn. Again, this is how I feel, I am not suggesting you, or anyone else is evil.
Trump is not a pillar of virtue, but he is Pro Life.
My worldview is simply different than yours, at least on this issue. I am very passionate about the abhorrent practice of abortion, it’s just sickening to me. Blessings
Now Biden and the Democrats are having the audacity to blame Trump for all their recent folly. Such is their hatred. They are not only stupid but also totally without shame. The clueless man in charge of DHS has been gaslighting Trump on various TV networks.
I read up on this pastor in Alberta who has been jailed for breaking protocol regarding covid-19.
The judge said...
"It is an issue when someone makes a decision that can affect the health and the lives of thousands of people."
The judge said that when the pastor was arrested, the spread of COVID-19 was a serious concern and services at the church could have been "super-spreaders" of the novel coronavirus.
"Members of that (church) were going out into the community in general," said the judge, who noted that Coates has referred to himself as a shepherd.
"The shepherd ought to protect his flock."
I stated this before... and I will re-state that as Christians... we are not above the law. There are consequences to everything we say and do.
I believe this judge was RIGHT on the MONEY... The shepherd ought to protect his flock... over exercising his right to assemble.
It is also my opinion that the above cannot be called "persecution" due to the fact that the entire province of ALBERTA was under the same protocol mandate... This means Christians and non-Christians alike. This pastor is simply someone who CHOSE to DIS-OBEY what was set out to protect the general public.
I fail to have sympathy over things like this. Had this pastor followed the rules... he would NOT be in jail.
The judge said...
"It is an issue when someone makes a decision that can affect the health and the lives of thousands of people."
The judge said that when the pastor was arrested, the spread of COVID-19 was a serious concern and services at the church could have been "super-spreaders" of the novel coronavirus.
"Members of that (church) were going out into the community in general," said the judge, who noted that Coates has referred to himself as a shepherd.
"The shepherd ought to protect his flock."
I stated this before... and I will re-state that as Christians... we are not above the law. There are consequences to everything we say and do.
I believe this judge was RIGHT on the MONEY... The shepherd ought to protect his flock... over exercising his right to assemble.
It is also my opinion that the above cannot be called "persecution" due to the fact that the entire province of ALBERTA was under the same protocol mandate... This means Christians and non-Christians alike. This pastor is simply someone who CHOSE to DIS-OBEY what was set out to protect the general public.
I fail to have sympathy over things like this. Had this pastor followed the rules... he would NOT be in jail.
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I believe Enoch has an abundance of knowledge on God’s Word. I applaud him for standing up against the evils of this world. He speaks the Biblical Truth with knowledge and passion. We could all learn from him!!!!!
I'm sure he will be well pleased with your glowing review. I don't have a problem with anyone having opinions and views. My issue with some here on the forums has NOTHING to do with their "Biblical Truths" but rather with their arrogance and lack of respect towards others. This is a public forum.
You are correct, but you have to realize that some of people’s views/opinions are facts, if they line up with Biblical truths. We can all agree that murder is wrong, that is not an opinion, but a fact. We all have opinions, but we have to defer to God’s Word to ensure they line up as truths.
A lot of strife was stirred up within these forums during the election... which is probably normal somewhat... but what was NOT normal was the division that it caused within the Christian world. Politics is not a biblical issue.... nor is covid-19... the person you have chosen to call WISE has a reputation of disrespecting and demeaning those who do not take his word for things. THAT is my issue.
I am sorry if you think this kind of behaviour is acceptable... and I am actually not surprised because you and I happened to lock horns yesterday over this exact topic.
The problem with that though, is that it may harm others close to you emotionally, if you hurt yourself more or worst because you didn't wear a seatbelt.
Laws like the seatbelt laws and junk food laws, keep in mind that people have families and friends.
