The Nanny State

[Rita]

If I don’t wear a seatbelt, what business is that of anyone? I wear a seatbelt because I have a Commercial Drivers License, if I were stopped without a seatbelt on, my fine would be doubled. I don’t get your impact on others comment, we are free to do as we please, as long as we don’t harm others.

What an interesting response from a Christian ‘ we are free to do as we please , as long as we don’t harm others ‘ !!!!
I will leave it there, more so because it’s not worth debating with someone who doesn’t take on board the connection between our own choices in life and how they have a knock on effect on the lives of others.
Rita

 

[BobVance]

What an interesting response from a Christian ‘ we are free to do as we please , as long as we don’t harm others ‘ !!!!
I will leave it there, more so because it’s not worth debating with someone who doesn’t take on board the connection between our own choices in life and how they have a knock on effect on the lives of others.
Rita

I said as long as it Doesn’t harm others. As a Christian, we are to follow Biblical values as Christ would have us to. This topic is on the seatbelt issue. Maybe the government should mandate we all wear clothing made of bubble wrap???? Would that make you liberals happy as well? Good grief!

 

[BobVance]

Driving a vehicle is a very serious matter. Ever see a fatal wreck?

Yes I have, what is your point? Let’s wrap ourselves in bubble wrap, good night folks, life has many dangers.

 

[JohnDB]

Personal responsibility and your duty to others is a good point in favor of wearing a seat belt...on a Christian perspective.

But our Government can't legislate religion.

But that point aside.

The hypocrisy of legislation to protect the citizenry of particular actions and then endorsing, promoting, and sponsoring a more risky action is exactly what is the classic definition of hypocrisy.

And there are several instances of this that I have pointed out.

How is it not hypocrisy?
How is it justifiable?

Is there any way to fix this?

 

[kcnalp]

Yes I have, what is your point? Let’s wrap ourselves in bubble wrap, good night folks, life has many dangers.

I think I'll skip the bubble wrap and just wear my seat belt.

 

[kcnalp]

Personal responsibility and your duty to others is a good point in favor of wearing a seat belt...on a Christian perspective.

But our Government can't legislate religion.

But that point aside.

The hypocrisy of legislation to protect the citizenry of particular actions and then endorsing, promoting, and sponsoring a more risky action is exactly what is the classic definition of hypocrisy.

And there are several instances of this that I have pointed out.

How is it not hypocrisy?
How is it justifiable?

Is there any way to fix this?

Hypocrisy and government go hand in hand.

 

[kcnalp]

What if you suffer a brain aneurysm?
Know one can prepare for all the possible scenarios....my goodness the silliness is crazy.

You're actually comparing that with wearing seatbelts? Yes, "the silliness is crazy".

 

[BobVance]

You're actually comparing that with wearing seatbelts? Yes, "the silliness is crazy".

If you are dead you are dead, that’s the comparison. I mean things happen in this life, not high IQ thinking sir.

 

[BobVance]

I think I'll skip the bubble wrap and just wear my seat belt.

You are funny

 

[Ronald Nolette]

My father was in a bad accident just before the seatbelt law came into effect. His case may be somewhat rare, but he was not wearing a seatbelt, he was hit in the drivers door. The impact shoved the drivers side door into the console. The Highway Patrol Officers said that had he had his seatbelt on, he’d have been killed. I guess every situation is unique, but you never know. There are no perfect answers. I still choose freedom.

Well teh empirical science has shown that seatbelts save vastly more lives than they cost and have a very high net benefit.

I was a letter carrier for many years and I have seen th estats on accidents with and without seatbelts worn by carriers. Seat belts reduce the severity of injuries and deaths in a far far greater way than they are involved in greater injury and death. This is a law that state governments should have on the books.

 

[Enoch111]

Well the empirical science has shown that seatbelts save vastly more lives than they cost and have a very high net benefit.

Fair enough. Common sense will tell you that if there is an automobile crash, and people go flying through the windshield, or crashing into the dashboard or seat backs, it will not go well with them.

The problem is when government decisions are made on a PURELY POLITICAL basis, without any empirical scientific support whatsoever. And purely to control populations and impose government tyranny from the top.

In the last few years, many government decisions right across the globe have been made only because of liberal and extreme Leftist propaganda and/or the globalist elitist agenda. And the latest are all decisions regarding Wuhan virus (Chinese virus). There is absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS for (1) lockdowns, (2) masking, (3) social distancing, or (4) bogus vaccines. The empirical evidence shows that the true deaths from COVID were no higher than deaths from past flus (after taking into account all the bungling in nursing homes for the elderly). But how many governments have actually rejected COVID tyranny? Not a single one.

 

[amigo de christo]

What an interesting response from a Christian ‘ we are free to do as we please , as long as we don’t harm others ‘ !!!!
I will leave it there, more so because it’s not worth debating with someone who doesn’t take on board the connection between our own choices in life and how they have a knock on effect on the lives of others.
Rita

You just brought up a good point . we are free to do as we please so long as it does not harm another .
Would you like to head up with me to the supreme court .
Cause abortion harms another . So we ought not be free to do THAT .

 

[BobVance]

You just brought up a good point . we are free to do as we please so long as it does not harm another .
Would you like to head up with me to the supreme court .
Cause abortion harms another . So we ought not be free to do THAT .

Amen Brother!!!!!!

 

[BobVance]

Well teh empirical science has shown that seatbelts save vastly more lives than they cost and have a very high net benefit.

I was a letter carrier for many years and I have seen th estats on accidents with and without seatbelts worn by carriers. Seat belts reduce the severity of injuries and deaths in a far far greater way than they are involved in greater injury and death. This is a law that state governments should have on the books.

I clearly stated that my father’s case was not the norm, but not every crash is is head on. I do in fact wear my seatbelt, I just don’t see it as the government’s responsibility to micro manage my every day activities. In my state, school buses don’t have seatbelts for children to wear. Just saying.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The empirical evidence shows that the true deaths from COVID were no higher than deaths from past flus (after taking into account all the bungling in nursing homes for the elderly).

Still don’t get it. When it is estimated there are between 250,000 to 500,000 deaths per year “worldwide” due to flu.

Deaths due to Covid “worldwide” 2.69Million. The US alone above the 500,000 in Covid deaths, that flu generally causes at the higher end worldwide.

 

[JohnDB]

And that is the point of the discussion...

When is it truly my choice to entertain risk?

And where is the point of not having the choice to entertain risks mandated by the Government?

On what basis does the Government have the right to stop me from entertaining risks?

Risk management is something that we all do on a consistent basis. We entertain risks every day. Getting out of bed is a risk... going out the front door entertains risks. Driving a car or walking on the sidewalk has risks.

Walking a nature trail has more risks than a sidewalk. Tripping over a root or running into wildlife vs being run over by a distracted motorist or getting mugged.

Eating a home cooked meal vs eating out...both have risks associated with them.

Getting vaccinated vs the risks of getting a virus. Both have risks associated with them. Both have conscequenses.
However, Typhoid Mary didn't believe that she was sick. So I can see the Government's point in arresting her. They were keeping others safe from the typhoid she kept spreading around. Now we can get a typhoid vaccine and not worry about it if visiting Asia or South America or parts of Africa. (For the most part it has been eradicated everywhere else) it's one of the Salmonella type bacteria and due to proper sanitation and hand sanitizer it's almost non-existent in most places.
(Yes, when traveling it's best to use bottled water to brush your teeth...and be careful with iced drinks...the ice in many instances is contaminated)

So...I've digressed.

But the risks...

When do I get to choose to risk poverty?
When is my health my choice?
When is my safety my choice?

Isn't choosing which risks to entertain part of the "pursuit of happiness"?

 

[Enoch111]

Deaths due to Covid “worldwide” 2.69Million. The US alone above the 500,000 in Covid deaths, that flu generally causes at the higher end worldwide.

These are all BOGUS numbers. Kindly do some serious digging and thorough investigation to see that what I am saying is a fact.

About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such
About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such

"The gaps were even wider in Texas, with 55% of excess deaths not classified as due to the coronavirus, and in Arizona, where 53% of excess deaths were attributed to causes other than COVID-19."

Others have indicate that it is more like 40% over reporting. Or even 50-55%.
So if we apply 40% that to 500,000 let's see what happens:
500,000 - 40% = 500,000 - 200,000 = 300,000.
Now let's take that as a percentage of the total population (estimated at about 330,000,000).
300,000/330,000,000 = 0.0009 x 100 =0.09% (less than 0.1% of the population).

For 2018 "CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years". But while it appears that COVID deaths are triple the flu deaths, no one has properly investigated all the COVID death certificates either. It could easily be that 50% OR MORE of so-called COVID deaths should be excluded.

In contrast (according to CDC)
"About 655,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that’s 1 in every 4 deaths."
So let's take that as a percentage. 655,000/330,000,000 x 100 = 0.198% = 0.2% (rounded). That is more than double COVID deaths.

"Suicide is already the 10th leading cause of death in the US, with one death for every 24 attempts. Yet we continue to sacrifice the well-being of 103.3 million youths — equivalent to roughly 31.5% of the US population — out of fear for a fraction of the 4% that live past the average life expectancy of 78.8 years.

Why are we even attempting to subject the entirety of the US population to isolation and ineffectual mask-wearing, instead of supporting voluntary focused protection for those who actually need it? And why do we continue to deny all groups the opportunity to enjoy and celebrate life when, after one year, deaths from and with Covid — number 520,000 — and are barely equivalent to 0.16% of the population?" [Note: You can cut that number in half]

More "COVID Suicides" Than COVID Deaths In Kids | ZeroHedge

 

[kcnalp]

For 2018 "CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years".

And to think, we have had the flu vaccine 80 years.

 

[April_Rose]

I said as long as it Doesn’t harm others. As a Christian, we are to follow Biblical values as Christ would have us to. This topic is on the seatbelt issue. Maybe the government should mandate we all wear clothing made of bubble wrap???? Would that make you liberals happy as well? Good grief!

Another good point but that liberal (if she is one) is my friend too and you don't have to act so rude towards her.

In my state, school buses don’t have seatbelts for children to wear. Just saying.

When children are in the car though they should always be buckled up because your choices do affect the life or lives of somebody else in that case and we should always protect our children and that should be necessary and part of the law,.. however what adults do should be their own business as much as I think it's unwise to wear a seatbelt I wouldn't enforce it upon an adult.

 

[JohnDB]

Another good point
When children are in the car though they should always be buckled up because your choices do affect the life or lives of somebody else in that case and we should always protect our children and that should be necessary and part of the law,.. however what adults do should be their own business as much as I think it's unwise to wear a seatbelt I wouldn't enforce it upon an adult.

Children need their parents to be healthy and whole...just saying. Seatbelts should be worn by parents. Dont want to make your kids become orphans.

My issue isn't with the common sense of a seat belt but the legality of legislating the mandatory wearing of one.