The Nanny State

[JohnDB]

I have never had a driver's license... I don't know how to drive... but if I'm not mistaken...
If someone is in an accident and it is found that they were NOT wearing their seat belt ( which is against the law here in Canada )
Insurance will not cover one red cent of any claim.

You are correct...they won't cover my personal injuries in one... because of what they call contributory negligence...it's considered equivalent to a brake check. Where a person stops suddenly in front of another vehicle to create an accident. Any injuries caused by such are not covered by the other person's insurance.

And yes, my rant is getting longer because the Government caused me to lose yesterday in the Market with tying my hands from profiting from the fall...a fall they caused.

And the free fall is going to continue today because of the Government's massive spike in the Bond Market...largest price since before the quarantines. Goes back 14 months with no sign of relenting and on top of this they claimed no concern about inflation. Which has caused a free fall in stocks with no ability for me to make any profits from it. (I can make money as long as there is movement... doesn't matter which direction, but now, half my revenue stream is gone)

 

[Addy]

Sorry @JohnDB ... I have never played the stock market... Here in Canada... I guess I am used to all the restrictions that the Government has in place... I grew up that way... I don't even notice or question anymore... I follow the laws of the land... and keep my nose clean... LOL

I had to giggle when you wrote about the soda pop... We do still have all sizes here.

 

[JohnDB]

Sorry @JohnDB ... I have never played the stock market... Here in Canada... I guess I am used to all the restrictions that the Government has in place... I grew up that way... I don't even notice or question anymore... I follow the laws of the land... and keep my nose clean... LOL

I had to giggle when you wrote about the soda pop... We do still have all sizes here.

I am just a guy who has many various talents and uses them all to keep myself out of trouble. I focus on things until I master them but then realize that my body is screaming for sustenance...so I then take care of it with a huge drink and lots of food. But then I'm told that I can't even buy a huge soda? What? They used to sell them...What happened? Then I'm told that the law changed and that they are now illegal?

Then I'm just trading stocks the way I learned in college back in the '80's and then get halted and told it's illegal for me to do it this way and that now half of the revenue is especially illegal. ...

Then the Government caused a free fall in stocks that is illegal for me to play....

I'm way past upset. I'm literally foaming at the mouth about this. The next thing you know they will require helmets and seatbelts on bicycles. Breathing will get taxed...but only the exhalation.

 

[BobVance]

The seat belt thing, blimey that became law years and years ago.....and you say that it is your right and doesn’t impact anyone else if something happens...are you married, have children ?
It affects them if you are seriously injured or killed because you chose not to wear a seat belt.......
It would affect your future if serious injuries caused a life time of pain or financial stress due to hospital treatment, so financially it could have long term effects on stress, housing ect ect
If wearing a seatbelt prevents serious injury and loss of life I would actually question your wisdom if you choose not to wear one ...not every thing that the government puts in place is harmful. If you honestly believe that the impact of not wearing one and having a crash only impacts you.......well isn’t that a bit naive !!?
The reason they imposed it as law over here was that when people are given the choice they choose not to wear one, too many people were losing their lives !!

It’s called Freedom Barbara! The government has no business trying to project us from ourselves. If it can impact or harm others, then there are laws that need to be obeyed. Do you propose to ban sky diving, rock climbing etc. just because it’s dangerous ?
You liberals really make me laugh, turn to the government for everything....unbelievable.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I'm going to rant for a bit...

Seat Belt laws are what I'm talking about.

Now I don't wear one...I drive a pickup truck and ignore the ding while going down the road...it eventually gives up.

I've gotten tickets for not wearing one...but did I learn? Nope. Not going to either.

But I believe that the risks associated with not wearing one are mine and mine alone to take. Not the Government's.

That's what we call freedom. When I can do something that won't harm others except possibly myself.

I should have the right to the pursuit of happiness so long as it doesn't infringe upon others. I should not have to purchase health insurance...but I also am not entitled to health care either.

I shouldn't have to buy a cell phone and pay for service...but I'm not entitled to it either.

Now driver's license and fishing licenses are a bit different...those are privileges. Those I can have as long as I follow the rules. (Which in America brings up the heated debate over the 2nd Amendment)
Which in Kennesaw Georgia everyone must own one and in other places even touching one is a criminal offense. But I do know that people need to be more responsible when owning a firearm...they tend to be so very irresponsible with them.

Then there's the "junk food" laws... about restricting the burgers and sodas people consume.

Next thing you know the government will be telling me whether I can have a bidet or not.

Just ranting...

Well I think the seatbelt law is a good law as I've been in high speed accidents and would probably be dead without a seat belt, and I never wore one until the law passed. But yeah I don't like so much government control. I grew up in a time when there was much less government control. I also don't think we should need hunting and fishing licenses if we live off the land. I don't believe in property taxes either for elderly people. I think they should have a break at their age.

 

[April_Rose]

Seatbelts are for my protection...and not a bad idea. I agree that it's for my safety that I use one. But that shouldn't be a law in america. We don't have socialized medicine here...I pay insurance for access to medical care.
I pay a lot for it too.
But the risk is mine to either take or not take. It's not hurting anyone else but me for entertaining that risk. Drunk driving is putting others at risk and should have serious penalties for doing it.
But I can entertain much more severe risks by engaging other activities without threat of penalty from the government. And the Government will encourage me to do those things.

And what is the deal with sodas? I can't buy a big one anymore. Because they have determined what size I can buy. They have determined that obesity is against the law. So now we have the food police.

Tobacco is bad for you so now we have the tobacco police.

Marijuana is now considered a medical necessity and you are allowed to consume it at your pleasure without recriminations.

Many of the new hand held power tools have motors so strong they can definitely sprain your wrist... nothing illegal there either. (I did it a couple years ago) Not even a warning.

Climbing a ladder has more risk than driving without a seatbelt...but it's not illegal.

Gambling through lottery tickets has a lot more risk than buying and selling stocks. But you are restricted in how you buy or sell stocks.

I agree. I don't need the government to play Mommy and Daddy for me. I'm a big girl and I can take care of myself and you're a big boy and can take care of yourself just fine as well,.. and when you can't that's what your wife is for. ;)

It’s called Freedom Barbara! The government has no business trying to project us from ourselves. If it can impact or harm others, then there are laws that need to be obeyed. Do you propose to ban sky diving, rock climbing etc. just because it’s dangerous ?
You liberals really make me laugh, turn to the government for everything....unbelievable.

I agree but you could have put that a bit nicer because she had a point too you know.

 

[marks]

But the risk is mine to either take or not take. It's not hurting anyone else but me for entertaining that risk. Drunk driving is putting others at risk and should have serious penalties for doing it.

To me, this reflects an individualistic sense of self, but in Scripture what I read is that I'm to consider myself not a sole individual, instead, I'm a member within a body.

Whether or not the seatbelt law should exist is a moot point to me personally. I've come to understand the importance of conserving my life and strength and health so I can be of better service to others.

Whether it should be enforced over others, I don't think we are the islands in society we'd like to be, and our choices can have profound impacts on others. We legislate things which we find to have negative impacts on society, I think this is one of those myself.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm going to rant for a bit...

Seat Belt laws are what I'm talking about.

Now I don't wear one...I drive a pickup truck and ignore the ding while going down the road...it eventually gives up.

I've gotten tickets for not wearing one...but did I learn? Nope. Not going to either.

But I believe that the risks associated with not wearing one are mine and mine alone to take. Not the Government's.

That's what we call freedom. When I can do something that won't harm others except possibly myself.

I should have the right to the pursuit of happiness so long as it doesn't infringe upon others. I should not have to purchase health insurance...but I also am not entitled to health care either.

I shouldn't have to buy a cell phone and pay for service...but I'm not entitled to it either.

Now driver's license and fishing licenses are a bit different...those are privileges. Those I can have as long as I follow the rules. (Which in America brings up the heated debate over the 2nd Amendment)
Which in Kennesaw Georgia everyone must own one and in other places even touching one is a criminal offense. But I do know that people need to be more responsible when owning a firearm...they tend to be so very irresponsible with them.

Then there's the "junk food" laws... about restricting the burgers and sodas people consume.

Next thing you know the government will be telling me whether I can have a bidet or not.

Just ranting...

Well then cancel your life insurance as well! why should a life company pay out X thousands of dollars if you die in a wreck and weren't wearing a seat belt that could save your life.

Cancel any medical insurance. While should all other premium payers have to see increased payments because you got into a wreck that cost tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills.

Just saying.

Tell your family you only marginally care for them. You are willing to risk your life and cause them great sorrow if you die in a wreck!

Don't have kids and take the risk of leaving them fatherless.

Just ranting.

 

[April_Rose]

Just so you guys know for the record John is a construction worker and he already has a family of his own. :) (I get both sides of points that have been made so far though.)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Just so you guys know for the record John is a construction worker and he already has a family of his own. :) (I get both sides of points that have been made so far though.)

biblically, freedom without responsibility has been entitled anarchy.

 

[kcnalp]

I have never ever heard of that happening.

Off road yes...but I don't do that sort of thing. And if I did I would need a five point harness. Completely different scenario.

The Bible says to obey the laws.

 

[Rita]

It’s called Freedom Barbara! The government has no business trying to project us from ourselves. If it can impact or harm others, then there are laws that need to be obeyed. Do you propose to ban sky diving, rock climbing etc. just because it’s dangerous ?
You liberals really make me laugh, turn to the government for everything....unbelievable.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please tell me when I have suggested that the government control everything. Just because I have no problem with somethings being made law does not mean I expect or turn to the government for everything, so quit jumping to conclusions !
The point I was raising was that to consider it a risk that doesn’t impact anyone else is naive, the same applies to sky diving, rock climbing, bungee jumping ect ect - the impact on others would be the same !
Rita

 

[BobVance]

Well then cancel your life insurance as well! why should a life company pay out X thousands of dollars if you die in a wreck and weren't wearing a seat belt that could save your life.

Cancel any medical insurance. While should all other premium payers have to see increased payments because you got into a wreck that cost tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills.

Just saying.

Tell your family you only marginally care for them. You are willing to risk your life and cause them great sorrow if you die in a wreck!

Don't have kids and take the risk of leaving them fatherless.

Just ranting.

My father was in a bad accident just before the seatbelt law came into effect. His case may be somewhat rare, but he was not wearing a seatbelt, he was hit in the drivers door. The impact shoved the drivers side door into the console. The Highway Patrol Officers said that had he had his seatbelt on, he’d have been killed. I guess every situation is unique, but you never know. There are no perfect answers. I still choose freedom.

 

[BobVance]

You are entitled to your opinion, but please tell me when I have suggested that the government control everything. Just because I have no problem with somethings being made law does not mean I expect or turn to the government for everything, so quit jumping to conclusions !
The point I was raising was that to consider it a risk that doesn’t impact anyone else is naive, the same applies to sky diving, rock climbing, bungee jumping ect ect - the impact on others would be the same !
Rita

If I don’t wear a seatbelt, what business is that of anyone? I wear a seatbelt because I have a Commercial Drivers License, if I were stopped without a seatbelt on, my fine would be doubled. I don’t get your impact on others comment, we are free to do as we please, as long as we don’t harm others.

 

[BobVance]

To me, this reflects an individualistic sense of self, but in Scripture what I read is that I'm to consider myself not a sole individual, instead, I'm a member within a body.

Whether or not the seatbelt law should exist is a moot point to me personally. I've come to understand the importance of conserving my life and strength and health so I can be of better service to others.

Whether it should be enforced over others, I don't think we are the islands in society we'd like to be, and our choices can have profound impacts on others. We legislate things which we find to have negative impacts on society, I think this is one of those myself

Much love!

There have been far far far more lives lost worldwide by the barbaric procedure of abortion than by seatbelt less automobile accidents.

 

[kcnalp]

It's true, government doesn't care about anyone but themselves and what they can steal from us, but I do believe that seatbelts have saved many lives.

 

[DNB]

I'm going to rant for a bit...

Seat Belt laws are what I'm talking about.

Now I don't wear one...I drive a pickup truck and ignore the ding while going down the road...it eventually gives up.

I've gotten tickets for not wearing one...but did I learn? Nope. Not going to either.

But I believe that the risks associated with not wearing one are mine and mine alone to take. Not the Government's.

That's what we call freedom. When I can do something that won't harm others except possibly myself.

I should have the right to the pursuit of happiness so long as it doesn't infringe upon others. I should not have to purchase health insurance...but I also am not entitled to health care either.

I shouldn't have to buy a cell phone and pay for service...but I'm not entitled to it either.

Now driver's license and fishing licenses are a bit different...those are privileges. Those I can have as long as I follow the rules. (Which in America brings up the heated debate over the 2nd Amendment)
Which in Kennesaw Georgia everyone must own one and in other places even touching one is a criminal offense. But I do know that people need to be more responsible when owning a firearm...they tend to be so very irresponsible with them.

Then there's the "junk food" laws... about restricting the burgers and sodas people consume.

Next thing you know the government will be telling me whether I can have a bidet or not.

Just ranting...

There is an extremely comprehensive reason that the governments demand that drivers wear seatbelts. No, it's not only you that gets affected by a car crash. If you get ejected from the car, you may get hit by another vehicle. If not specifically that, your injuries invariably will be worse (small exceptions). Thus, you will cause the need for an ambulance, you will cause a lane or two to be closed, you will take up space in the hospital, you will delay everyone on the road at that time, you will exacerbate the whole ordeal. What could've been only a head bump, will turn into an extreme injury that affects everyone within the vicinity of the accident.

 

[kcnalp]

I have never ever heard of that happening.

Off road yes...but I don't do that sort of thing. And if I did I would need a five point harness. Completely different scenario.

Ok, so someone hits you and you lose control of your vehicle and kill someone? A little child? An unsaved person?

 

[BobVance]

What if you lose control of your vehicle because you don't have your seat belt on? What if you kill someone?

What if you suffer a brain aneurysm?
Know one can prepare for all the possible scenarios....my goodness the silliness is crazy.

 

[kcnalp]

What if you suffer a brain aneurysm?
Know one can prepare for all the possible scenarios....my goodness the silliness is crazy.

Driving a vehicle is a very serious matter. Ever see a fatal wreck?