I believe that salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9, but nothing is ours until it is received by faith.
The Gospel Plus Nothing
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The Gospel Tells us what God in Christ has done to save sinners from their sins, and who those sinners are. Do you believe that Christs death, burial, and resurrection has successfully saved every sinner Christ substituted for, died for ? Yes or no sir.
amigo de christo
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It applies to those who believe and DENY NOT , but BELIEVE . unbelievers are DISQUALIFIED .
JESUS taught it , the apostles taught this . THOUGH CHRIST DIED for the sins of the world
Those who believe NOT , will not recieve the pardon of sins , there is but one thing that awaits
those who rejected Christ . And it is the same thing that once awaited even me myself . TILL BY grace i did beleive .
THE LAKE that burneth with fire . DENY JESUS and i promise it awaits , RECIEVE and BELIEVE and ye shall be pardoned .
amigo de christo
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Thats right sister lamb , we are gonna point to CHRIST JESUS till the last breath .
for lambs offer the world NO FALSE HOPE . We offer the ONLY HOPE there is for salvation . BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST .
for lambs offer the world NO FALSE HOPE . We offer the ONLY HOPE there is for salvation . BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST .
amigo de christo
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That is right bruder johann . We are gonna point to CHRIST JESUS till the last breath .
amigo de christo
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Thats right my friend we make our stand for Christ and all TRUTH now . many do fall and have fallen for a lie that cannot
and will not and shall not save them . any love that omits the dire need to have believed ON CHRIST JESUS ,
WELL its no love that cometh of GOD and it wont save either .
The Gospel Tells us what God in Christ has done to save sinners from their sins, and who those sinners are. Do you believe that Christs death, burial, and resurrection has successfully saved every sinner Christ substituted for, died for ? Yes or no
amigo de christo
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DO YOU BELEIVE what JESUS also said about those who BELIEVED NOT .
Yeah . try learning HIS DOCTRINE and not ecumincalism all inclusive mumbo jumbo stuff .
I KNOW JESUS PAID the PRICE FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD .
I ALSO KNOW JESUS SAID GO and preach the gospel
and that those who do beleive would be saved , those who dont BE DAMNED DUDE .
YOU cant pick and choose certain parts to suit a teaching that aint true .
YOU try and teach it from a universalist mindset . BUT TO DO SO you have to omit
all those dire warnings both JESUS and the apostels gave about those WHO REFUSED to repent and beleive ON JESUS CHRIST .
SO , try reading the bible for YOU and not through the lens of some teaching that has to twist and omit stuff
to suit its own ideals .
amigo de christo
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Your problem is you have this great zeal , and though zeal itself is not a bad thing , IT IS when the ideal trods the dire
necessity of Truth under foot .
YOU GO about to give the world a false hope . a hope that says ITS OKAY if ye BELIEVE NOT , ye will be saved too .
YOUR ZEAL , SHOULD BE THIS , GET UP , GET OUT AND PREACH THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO OFFER UP A FALSE HOPE .
amigo de christo
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pard those who dont BELIEVE , dont recieve .
Lets say i had a fifty trilloin dollars . IF i then told you and everyone
all you have to do is come to my house and i will give you a million dollars
I BET YOU and all of them would come running . I bet what you would not be doing is saying
OH it has all the money in the world , you dont have to believe him or come to his house to get it .
NO , you all would be running . SO WHY YOU DOING THIS With THE GOSPEL .
JESUS did pay the price of the sins of mankind . BUT YA GOTTA BELEIVE TO RECIEVE Pardner .
As far as God is concerned Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Ephesians 2:15. The sins of the world have been atoned for, 1 John 2:2. Yes, everyone has been saved, however, everyone does not want to be saved, these are the lost. Nothing is ours until it is received by faith.
The Gospel Tells us what God in Christ has done to save sinners from their sins, and who those sinners are. Do you believe that Christs death, burial, and resurrection has successfully saved every sinner Christ substituted for, died for ? Yes or no
@Robert Pate
Thats universalism, thats not scriptural !
Huh ? Everyone is saved and everyone doesnt want to be saved, that sounds crazy
Huh ? You just said everyone is saved. Saved and Lost, this is doublemindness
Thats universalism, thats not scriptural !
Huh ? Everyone is saved and everyone doesnt want to be saved, that sounds crazy
Huh ? You just said everyone is saved. Saved and Lost, this is doublemindness
You do not have an understanding of the Gospel.
Jesus is in heaven at God's right hand because he has defeated sin, death and the devil. God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ.
Jesus is the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. Salvation has been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Paul said, "We are complete in him" Colossians 2:10.
There is nothing for us to do to be saved because Jesus has ALREADY saved us. It is God's great free gift for everyone, Ephesians 2:8. All that we have to do is receive it.
@brightfame52 ,
I believe personally because of Jesus everyone has been saved from sin, death, satan and his angels, the false prophet, the beast, and hades, and the (wrath that was poured out on Jerusalem)
However not everyone is saved to the Kingdom of God, which comes by faith in the Lord Jesus who is the truth, the way and the life. Considering all peoples sins are paid for - not everyone has yet to receive deliverance which brings forth a new life, and adoption by the Father with the holy spirit, and because of the Gospel which is the power of God for salvation (deliverance).
I believe personally because of Jesus everyone has been saved from sin, death, satan and his angels, the false prophet, the beast, and hades, and the (wrath that was poured out on Jerusalem)
However not everyone is saved to the Kingdom of God, which comes by faith in the Lord Jesus who is the truth, the way and the life. Considering all peoples sins are paid for - not everyone has yet to receive deliverance which brings forth a new life, and adoption by the Father with the holy spirit, and because of the Gospel which is the power of God for salvation (deliverance).
"men loved the darkness rather than the light"
Many people who have heard the gospel reject it, not for intellectual or cultural reasons, but primarily for moral ones (cf. Job 24:13).
The Light refers to Christ (cf. John 1:9; 8:12; 9:5; 12:46) and His message of God's love, mankind's need, Christ's provision, and the required response. This is a recurring motif from John 1:1-18.
3:19 "This is the judgment" Judgment, like salvation, is both a present reality (cf. John 3:19; 9:39) and a future consummation (cf. John 5:27-29; 12:31,48).
Believers live in the already (realized eschatology) and the not yet (consummated eschatology).
The Christian life is a joy and a terrible struggle; it is victory after a series of defeats; assurance yet a series of warnings about perseverance!
3:21 "practices the truth" Since "the Light" (cf. John 3:19,20[twice],21) is an obvious reference to Jesus, it is possible that "the truth" should also be capitalized. Robert Hanna in A Grammatical Aid to the Greek New Testament quotes N. Turner in his Grammatical Insights into the New Testament, who translates it as "the man who is a disciple of the Truth" (p. 144).
Theologically this verse expresses the same truth as Matthew 7. Eternal life has observable characteristics. A person cannot truly encounter God in Christ, be filled by the Holy Spirit, and remain the same. The parable of the soils focuses on fruit-bearing, not germination (cf. Matthew 13; Mark 4; Luke 8. Also note John's discussion in John 15:1-11). Works do not earn salvation, but they are the evidence of it (cf. Eph. 2:8-9,10).
DISCUSSION QUESTIONS
This is a study guide commentary, which means that you are responsible for your own interpretation of the Bible. Each of us must walk in the light we have. You, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit are priority in interpretation. You must not relinquish this to a commentator.
These discussion questions are provided to help you think through the major issues of this section of the book. They are meant to be thought-provoking, not definitive.
1. What is the meaning of the phrase "born again"?
2. What do you think "water" refers to in verse 5 and why?
3. What does "believe" (saving faith) involve?
4. Is John 3:16 a passage about Jesus' love for mankind or the Father's?
5. How is Calvinism related to John 3:16?
6. Does "perish" mean annihilation?
7. Define "the light."
I dont have a understanding of the Gospel ? Is the Gospel: Jesus through and by His Death made Salvation possible ? Is that the good news ?
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