The ten horns are ten end times kings (leaders). I show on my chart the little horn as being over those ten kings, and his kingdom as being the EU, the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire, manifested in the end times.
the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord
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Functionally related yes, the same person, yes. But not identical in terms of power and being worshiped..
Stage 1 is as the forthcoming 7th king of the Roman Empire of the Julio-Claudian blood line.
Stage 5 is as the 8th king of the Roman Empire of the Julio-Claudian blood line. As the beast-king, he will be worshiped.
Revelation 17:
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
The little horn person, Stage 1, is as the 7th king. The little horn person, Stage 5, is as the 8th king, the beast, who will continue 42 months.
The little horn person will be killed for his audacious act of 2Thessalonians2:4, Stage 4, and brought back to life as the beast king, Stage 5 .
It is on my chart below.
Between Stage 1 and Stage 5, as a leader over ten EU leaders, the little horn in addition for a while will be the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah, Stage 3. So the person also must be a Jew. Which narrows down identifying the person early on.
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The little horn dies when the beast he is a part of dies. There is nothing about him dying and resurrecting. Again, you wrong mix things together not that any part of the bible says an end time person dies and resurrects. That never happens to anyone. You have created an end times soup, throwing everything in and ending up with a timeline that is imaginary.
The little horn is the OT version of the AC and should be left alone and on it's own.
The various NT descriptions of this end times AC can be merged together but with great care. I believe the man of sin, that wicked, the antichrist and the false prophet are indeed the same person but John didn't provide any details about what the AC would do, but the man of sin/that wicked does match to what the FP does as far as performing miracles to deceive people.
When the little horn commits the 2Thessalonians2:4 act of sitting the temple of God, claiming to have achieved God-hood - it angers God.
In Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has the little horn person killed, assassinated, for his claim. The prince of Tyrus is a code name for the little horn person, just as in Ezekiel 28:12-19, the king of Tyrus is a code name for Satan.
Ezekiel 28:
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
Then in disdain for the person God does not allow the little horn person be buried in an ornate tomb, but brings him back to life in Isaiah 14:18-20.
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Nothing in Daniel says the little horn does anything like that. This is EXACTLY the issue I have been bringing up to you. You have created something that doesn't exist by using eisegesis to make unrelated things fit together in your own belief system.
Prove me wrong by quoting scripture saying the little horn does that.
The transgression of desolation act by the little horn person is in Daniel 8:13.
Daniel 8:
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
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That does not match what Paul described nor does it even match the little horn of Daniel 7.
Daniel 8:
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
In 2Thessalonians2:4, the little horn person reveals himself to be the man of sin, Stage 4. He does so by sitting in the temple of God, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Magnifying himself.
He does so, transgressing the Mt. Sinai covenant to have no other God than the One True God.
Daniel 7 does not address the transgression of desolation. But it does says that the little horn person will speak great words against the mot High in Daniel 7:25. Which is what the little horn will do in Stage 5 as the beast-king.
Revelation 13;
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
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No matches...The little horn in Daniel 7 does very different things than chp 8's little horn. It's no different than saying a strong man does something, then later speaking of a strong man does different things. Doesn't mean it's the same man.
You are trying to harmonize things that don't fit together.
The little horn in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 are the same person. Daniel 7:25-26 is the little horn in Stage 5, the beast-king.
In Daniel 7:25-26 are the time, times, half time that the little horn will wear down the saints, and they be given into his hands until he comes to his end when the judgment on him and his kingdom sits.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
In Revelation 13;7, the beast-king...
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
first half of the 7 years
1260 days - Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6
in the second half of the 7 years
3 1/2 days - Revelation 11:11
time, times, half time - Revelation 12:14, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7
42 months - Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
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False!
The Day Of The Lord takes place quickly in sudden destruction in dissolving the heavens and earth by fire (The End)
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
"in the which"
The day of the Lord lasts for eternity. In the which, this present earth and heaven will be destroyed, after the one thousand years are over and Satan cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
That is not like a thief in the night.
Like a thief in the night is 1Thessalonians5:2-3.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
The world will be saying peace and safety, because it will think it has entered the messianic age of peace and safety. But that delusion will be shattered when the Antichrist unexpectedly goes into the temple, sits, claiming to have achieved God-hood, in 2Thessalonians2:4
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Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth following as you falsely claim
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Peter 3;10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
In context, Jesus is talking about the time of the end generation, when many things leading up to His return will take place, including the time when the abomination of desolation will be setup in verses 31-37. Those verses are about fleeing, leaving Jerusalem and vicinity.
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Just gonna ignore the other part?
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
There are many "days of the Lord". This is not the second coming but the day the Lord destroys the OHOE and makers the NHNE, which is after the GWTJ. The second coming is over by this time in both Amill and Premill.
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You have apparently ignored passages that describe what will happen on the day of the Lord like 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 because passages like those make it clear that the coming of the day of the Lord brings "sudden destruction" by fire on the entire earth from which those in spiritual darkness "shall not escape". Your version of the day of the Lord does not bring "sudden destruction" upon the wicked from which "they shall not escape" at all. That gets completely ignored in your false timeline of events.
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No, the second coming is not over by that time in Amill. This just shows that you, like most Premills, have no understanding of Amill. That passage is a reference to the second coming, not something that would occur 1,000+ years later.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Tell me, why does Peter say to his readers "Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God" if that day won't even occur until 1,000+ years after the second coming of Christ? Why should anyone reading that passage be concerned with their behavior and spiritual status as it relates to an event that can't even possibly occur in their lifetimes? That makes no sense.
Peter clearly believed that the day of the Lord COULD occur during the lifetimes of his readers and that's why he said what he did in verses 11 and 12. And he believed that because the day of the Lord is the day Christ returns. Jesus Himself said He would come as a thief (Matt 24:40-42, Rev 16:15) and that is what the day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night is about.
1Thessalonians 5:2-3 does not say "by fire".
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
The destruction in that chapter is by God's wrath to take place during the great tribulation.
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Differently, and over a thousand years after the great tribulation to come.....
2Peter3:3-10 the destruction of earth and its heaven will take place right before the Great White Throne judgment in Revelation 20:11.
Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
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How else does the "sudden destruction" come if not by fire? Do you not believe in interpreting scripture with scripture, Douggg? If one passage (1 Thess 5:2-3) talks about the day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night while bringing "sudden destruction" and another passage talks about the day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night while bringing fire down on the entire earth, then we can put two and two together and see that the "sudden destruction" comes about by way of fire. Very simple. But, I know nothing is ever simple for you. You make everything far more complicated than it should be.
This is utter nonsense. There is no reason to think that the destruction that is said to occur when the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night in 1 Thess 5:2-3 is somehow different than the destruction that is said to occur when the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night in 2 Peter 3:10-13. Only extreme doctrinal bias can keep someone from seeing that both passages are talking about the same event.
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