the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

[Douggg]

On my chart below, you will see the "false messianic age" that begins when the little horn person enters Stage 3 by being anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah.

That is when the world will be deluded into saying "peace and safety" as foretold in 1Thessalonians5.

The delusion will be shattered when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act in Stage 4. That act triggers the beginning of the day of the Lord, in 2Thessalonians2:1-4. Also shown on my chart as "the day of the Lord begins".

 

[David in NJ]

On my chart below, you will see the "false messianic age" that begins when the little horn person enters Stage 3 by being anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah.

That is when the world will be deluded into saying "peace and safety" as foretold in 1Thessalonians5.

The delusion will be shattered when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act in Stage 4. That act triggers the beginning of the day of the Lord, in 2Thessalonains2:1-4. Also shown on my chat as "the day of the Lord begins"



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No need for man-made charts like yours that is CONTRARY to TRUTH and is a lie.

Stay with the Holy Scriptures that cannot lie = Genesis, Daniel, Matthew ch24, 1 Thess & 2nd Thess, 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John, Revelation

 

[Douggg]

No need for man-made charts like yours that is CONTRARY to TRUTH and is a lie.

Stay with the Holy Scriptures that cannot lie = Genesis, Daniel, Matthew ch24, 1 Thess & 2nd Thess, 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John, Revelation

I am not presenting charts of others.

Regarding my chart, there is no lie involved. There is a lot of information on the chart, however.

As the little horn enters Stage 3, and is anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah, a false messianic of age begins with the world saying "peace and safety"

1Thessalonians5:
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

The day of the Lord begins in 2Thessalonians2:1-4, when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of going into the
temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Revealing himself as the man of sin, and not the messiah after all.

 

[David in NJ]

I am not presenting charts of others.

Regarding my chart, there is no lie involved. There is a lot of information on the chart, however.

Your chart lies against the Gospel account of the 1st and 2nd Comings of Christ as evident in Genesis, Daniel, Matt ch24, the Apostles

Your chart speaks against these scriptures of TRUTH and more!

Matt 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

1 Thess 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

 

[Douggg]

Your chart lies against the Gospel account of the 1st and 2nd Comings of Christ as evident in Genesis, Daniel, Matt ch24, the Apostles

Your chart speaks against these scriptures of TRUTH and more!

Matt 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

My chart does not speak against Matthew 24:14.

1 Thess 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

My chart shows the rapture taking place sometime before Stage 4 of little horn and his transgression of desolation act.

There is no contradiction with the rapture/resurrection verses of 1Thessalonians4:13-18. My chart may contradict your view of when the rapture/resurrection will take place.

 

[David in NJ]

My chart does not speak against Matthew 24:14.


My chart shows the rapture taking place sometime before Stage 4 of little horn and his transgression of desolation act.

There is no contradiction with the rapture/resurrection verses of 1Thessalonians4:13-18. My chart may contradict your view of when the rapture/resurrection will take place.

Your chart has the Rapture occurring BEFORE His Second Coming as declared by the Lord in His Gospel and the Prophets and the Apostles

 

[Douggg]

Your chart has the Rapture occurring BEFORE His Second Coming as declared by the Lord in His Gospel and the Prophets and the Apostles

My chart does show the rapture taking place before Jesus's return, correct.

Your timing of the rapture being the day that Jesus returns in Revelation 19 is incorrect.

 

[David in NJ]

My chart does show the rapture taking place before Jesus's return, correct.

Your timing of the rapture being the day that Jesus returns in Revelation 19 is incorrect.

My chart does show the rapture taking place before Jesus's return, correct.

SEE - i told you your chart was man-made fiction

The OT Prophets, the Gospel and the Apostles all wrote that the Second Coming of MESSIAH was AFTER the Anti-christ


Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you beforehand.

26“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Douggg]

31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

That verse is the basis for your rapture timing view.

But that verse is not referring to the rapture, but to the gathering of the Jews from around the world to the land of Israel.

That gathering is in Deuteronomy 30:1-6. I think I have shown you these verses several times before. Are you reading them?


Deuteronomy 30:

1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

 

[Douggg]

@David in NJ

I want you to look at my chart. See those references to Ezekiel 39 ? In Ezekiel 39:21-29, is Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to this earth, with Armageddon being in Ezekiel 39:17-20 (as shown of my chart).

In Ezekiel 39:28 is the gathering of the elect, the Jews from the nations into the land of Israel.

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[David in NJ]

That verse is the basis for your rapture timing view.

But that verse is not referring to the rapture, but to the gathering of the Jews from around the world to the land of Israel.

That gathering is in Deuteronomy 30:1-6. I think I have shown you these verses several times before. Are you reading them?


Deuteronomy 30:

1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Stay with the FACTS - Matt 24:14

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Based on this scripture alone, we KNOW the LORD's Second Coming is AFTER the Tribulation.

There cannot be a Resurrection until all who die in the Gospel is COMPLETED = 1Thess 4:13-18 , Revelation 20:1-6

 

[Douggg]

Stay with the FACTS - Matt 24:14

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Based on this scripture alone, we KNOW the LORD's Second Coming is AFTER the Tribulation.

There cannot be a Resurrection until all who die in the Gospel is COMPLETED = 1Thess 4:13-18 , Revelation 20:1-6

The gospel has been preached to all the world. We are living in the time of the end.

Jesus's return, coming in power and great glory is in Matthew 24:30.

The resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is expressly for the martyred great tribulation saints. It is not a rapture.

 

[David in NJ]

The gospel has been preached to all the world. We are living in the time of the end.

Jesus's return, coming in power and great glory is in Matthew 24:30.

The resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is expressly for the martyred great tribulation saints. It is not a rapture.

The Resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6 is th eONLY Resurrection for ALL th esaints who have died in Christ.

There is only One First Resurrection = at His Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18 = Gospel = OT Prophets

The Resurrection is on the Last Day = GOSPEL = Matthew 13:36-43

Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

 

[Douggg]

The Resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6 is th eONLY Resurrection for ALL th esaints who have died in Christ.

No, that is not what the text says. The resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is expressly for the martyred great tribulation saints.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[David in NJ]

No, that is not what the text says. The resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is expressly for the martyred great tribulation saints.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

the LORD Jesus Christ said there is only one Resurrection for the JUST(Saints) = Gospel

the OT Prophets say there is only one Resurrection for the JUST(Saints) = Daniel

the Apostles say there is only one Resurrection for the JUST(Saints) = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John 3:1-3 , Hebrews 9:28

Revelation says there is only one Resurrection for the JUST(Saints) = Rev 2:8-11 and Rev 20:1-6

And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,

‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

@Douggg, you need to humble yourself before the Lord and ask for forgiveness of adding to God's words what HE never said.
Do it now BEFORE you have to give an account of this sin.

 

[Douggg]

the LORD Jesus Christ said there is only one Resurrection for the JUST(Saints) = Gospel

the OT Prophets say there is only one Resurrection for the JUST(Saints) = Daniel

You did not cite any verses to your claim.

the Apostles say there is only one Resurrection for the JUST(Saints) = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John 3:1-3 , Hebrews 9:28

Revelation says there is only one Resurrection for the JUST(Saints) = Rev 2:8-11 and Rev 20:1-6

None of those verses say that will be only one resurrection of the saints.

And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,

‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”

The ones of the church of Smyrna who overs comes will have nothing to fear of the second death - which is to be cast into the lake fire

@Douggg, you need to humble yourself before the Lord and ask for forgiveness of adding to God's words what HE never said.
Do it now BEFORE you have to give an account of this sin.

Disagreeing with you and your misunderstandings and mis-stating what the scriptures say is not a sin.




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[ewq1938]

I am not presenting charts of others.

Regarding my chart, there is no lie involved. There is a lot of information on the chart, however.

As the little horn enters Stage 3, and is anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah, a false messianic of age begins with the world saying "peace and safety"

The little horn is mentioned in Daniel 7 but not one word there about being king of Israel, or even a Messiah and nothing at all about "peace and safety".

You are mixing various prophecies into one and creating these "stages" which do not exist in scripture. This end time person is real, and has various names but there is no such stages he goes through. I mean, a person who rules over a ten horned beast in Daniel, and a person ruling over a ten horned beast in Rev would be the same basic person but somehow you don't understand it like that.

 

[David in NJ]

You did not cite any verses to your claim.


None of those verses say that will be only one resurrection of the saints.



The ones of the church of Smyrna who overs comes will have nothing to fear of the second death - which is to be cast into the lake fire


Disagreeing with you and your misunderstandings and mis-stating what the scriptures say is not a sin.




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i am tired and will give you the verses tomorrow

Good Night

 

[David in NJ]

You did not cite any verses to your claim.


None of those verses say that will be only one resurrection of the saints.



The ones of the church of Smyrna who overs comes will have nothing to fear of the second death - which is to be cast into the lake fire


Disagreeing with you and your misunderstandings and mis-stating what the scriptures say is not a sin.




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Disagreeing with God and adding to His words what HE never said(pre-trib) is a real BAD sin.

i gave you the scriptures except for Daniel

 

[Douggg]

The little horn is mentioned in Daniel 7 but not one word there about being king of Israel, or even a Messiah and nothing at all about "peace and safety".

The little horn person in Daniel 7:25-26 meets his end when judgement shall sit.

The little horn person in Daniel 8:25 meets his end when he attempts to stand up (i.e. make war) against the Prince of princes - Jesus.

On my chart, I give the bible references (in red) for each stage that the little horn person goes through.